mark1447 Posted March 23, 2009 Share #1 Posted March 23, 2009 I notice while at 121st Street station on saturday, that there was an old sign (From the 90s and maybe late 80s) that says: Express From Myrtle to Canal Street. While the said Skip-stop Express as I recall. How was it possible that the (and maybe) ran express up to Canal Street, did it skip Essex and/or bowery. Or it just ran local after Marcy, just indicates it to canal street to show people that it is a Nassau Street Express. Im just confused a bit.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlmerPark B6 Posted March 23, 2009 Share #2 Posted March 23, 2009 The line used to be like the 4th Avenue line, with local on side, express in middle. Nassau local would run on the side, and express would run in middle though they had the same stops. That's what i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share #3 Posted March 23, 2009 The line used to be like the 4th Avenue line, with local on side, express in middle. Nassau local would run on the side, and express would run in middle though they had the same stops. That's what i think. 4th Ave Line, umm im not talking about brooklyns BMT 4th ave lol, if thats what u mean. As for the Local on the side, and express on the other , u mean like bowery, where there is an abandoned platform, was the express? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlmerPark B6 Posted March 23, 2009 Share #4 Posted March 23, 2009 4th Ave Line, umm im not talking about brooklyns BMT 4th ave lol, if thats what u mean. As for the Local on the side, and express on the other , u mean like bowery, where there is an abandoned platform, was the express? The current tracks the (J)/(Z) uses were Southbound local and express before. The abandoned were northbound- local and express. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattTrain Posted March 23, 2009 Share #5 Posted March 23, 2009 The and trains are good skip-stop partners, I do remember seeing those trains use the express tracks only during rush-hours though, along Nassau Street. It's weird, because while there were four tracks at Bowery and Canal Street, there's only three tracks at Essex Street, so I am not really sure if both express tracks between Bowery and Canal Street were used, since there's only one express track at Essex Street. I'm assuming the express tracks were used in peak direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share #6 Posted March 23, 2009 To bad the cant run exp to/from at Bway/Junction. Then it would rly show the as an exp.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattTrain Posted March 23, 2009 Share #7 Posted March 23, 2009 To bad the cant run exp to/from at Bway/Junction. Then it would rly show the as an exp.. I like the idea of a express section between Marcy Avenue and Broadway Junction with Myrtle Avenue-Broadway as the only stop in between, I don't know about the passenger loads of that service will perform between the and . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlushingExpress Posted March 23, 2009 Share #8 Posted March 23, 2009 the used to skip bowery whenever the goes into Manhattan, but they changed that in September 2002 for some reason. the only time skip-stop service operated in both directions was during the 1999 williamsburg briddge reconstruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share #9 Posted March 24, 2009 the used to skip bowery whenever the goes into Manhattan, but they changed that in September 2002 for some reason. the only time skip-stop service operated in both directions was during the 1999 williamsburg briddge reconstruction. i guess bowery was made a stop for all, cuz it didnt sound like an express much.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted March 24, 2009 Share #10 Posted March 24, 2009 From what I know(not sure of the time period), some J trains used to terminate at Canal St. The "express" tracks were solely used by the J, while the M used the outer tracks to Broad St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted March 24, 2009 Share #11 Posted March 24, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted March 24, 2009 Share #12 Posted March 24, 2009 The underground tunnels on that line in Manhattan branch off in so many different ways. I'd love to get some info on where they go myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted March 24, 2009 The underground tunnels on that line in Manhattan branch off in so many different ways. I'd love to get some info on where they go myself. If you mean a Track map for the and Chrystie Street Connection here is one: http://images.nycsubway.org/trackmap/bigdowntown.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbirdbassist Posted March 24, 2009 Share #14 Posted March 24, 2009 The track configuration in Manahattan has changed many times for the Nassua St line. Essex St used to be a 4 track station, not sure why the configuration changed. The middle tracks bumpered at Canal and the outer locals continued to the west side of Chambers St. Chambers was a terminal for many trains prior to the cutting of the Nassau St loop. They removed 1 of the 4 tracks and the line was 3 tracks for many years to this day with two in regular service. Sometimes Brooklyn bound trains entered Essex in the middle, other times on the southern track. Not sure why. Now it is a two track in revenue service line. The uptown side of Canal and Bowery are abandoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted March 24, 2009 Share #15 Posted March 24, 2009 When the Manhattan Bridge closed in 1986, I heard that the R68s once ran down the Nassau St line. The D trains went local at Broadway-Lafeyette and ran up the Christie St connector(old K train route). Because the trains were so long, they reversed them out into the Williamsburg Bridge. Then, the trains went down the Nassau St Line and through the Montague St Tunnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTrainExp Posted March 24, 2009 Share #16 Posted March 24, 2009 From what I know(not sure of the time period), some J trains used to terminate at Canal St. The "express" tracks were solely used by the J, while the M used the outer tracks to Broad St. Wouldn't that create congestion? Delancy/Essex is 3 tracked and the only way that would be possible is if southbound (J)s terminating at Canal Street would use the center tracks, that would mess around with northbound service from wherever it was returning from and trains would have to wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted March 25, 2009 Share #17 Posted March 25, 2009 Wouldn't that create congestion? Delancy/Essex is 3 tracked and the only way that would be possible is if southbound (J)s terminating at Canal Street would use the center tracks, that would mess around with northbound service from wherever it was returning from and trains would have to wait. I don't know what happened back then, but my relatives told me that it did happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbirdbassist Posted March 26, 2009 Share #18 Posted March 26, 2009 That did happen, you can read it somewhere on nycsubway.org. But I also read somewhere that the 75ft cars could not fit in the the Christie St to Delancy St connector tunnels so I don't think they used R68's for the ones that did that reverse move. But I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlushingExpress Posted March 26, 2009 Share #19 Posted March 26, 2009 That did happen, you can read it somewhere on nycsubway.org. But I also read somewhere that the 75ft cars could not fit in the the Christie St to Delancy St connector tunnels so I don't think they used R68's for the ones that did that reverse move. But I could be wrong. actually, what R44_5278 is talking about happened in 1982 during a weekend construction project that shut down the north side of the manhattan. the R68/68As did not come yet and R44/46s were not allowed to run on the because of vibration and noise complaints from brighton residents. when the Manhattan Bridge was closed in 1986, the trains were split into two sections similar to what happened in 2001 and the was sent via the Montague Street Tunnel on weekdays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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