jeffmorris Posted March 1, 2009 Share #1 Posted March 1, 2009 Are there lists of pre-1967 subway routes before the connection of Manhattan Bridge tracks to the IND 6th Avenue route? I checked http://www.nycsubway.org website but pre-1967 subway maps show route names like Sea Beach, West End, Culver, etc instead of route letters and numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 1, 2009 Share #2 Posted March 1, 2009 Here are the major routes of the rapid transit system in 1967 just before the 6th Avenue connection. I'm not sure if this is what you were looking for. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted March 1, 2009 Share #3 Posted March 1, 2009 Thats becuz before 1967(or 1950s or way later until IND's R1 came out) i think, there were no Routes "AS" letters or numbers They were considered by Line such as: IRT White Plains Road Line BMT 4th Avenue Line IND Eighth Avenue Line IRT Flushing Line IRT Pelham Line etc.... From Late 60's to about 1978 letters/ and routes were used but, instead of the lines being matched by color such as for 7th Ave/Bway line or for the 8th ave they were just ther own color, until 1978 when the T/A just decided to match colors by there manhattan route i belivie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted March 1, 2009 Share #4 Posted March 1, 2009 :tup: Thanks for that picture Harry! very useful! :cool: And because of this Chrytsie Street connection.. we now have BMT/IND routes (e.g. the ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted March 1, 2009 Share #5 Posted March 1, 2009 wow, after looking at this.. they used to have West end Express! Why was it discontinued? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Charles Posted March 1, 2009 Share #6 Posted March 1, 2009 Great map Harry! You got the going to the Rockaways, that's really awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PATCOman Posted March 1, 2009 Share #8 Posted March 1, 2009 Thats becuz before 1967(or 1950s or way later until IND's R1 came out) i think, there were no Routes "AS" letters or numbers They were considered by Line such as: IRT White Plains Road Line BMT 4th Avenue Line IND Eighth Avenue Line IRT Flushing Line IRT Pelham Line etc.... From Late 60's to about 1978 letters/ and routes were used but, instead of the lines being matched by color such as for 7th Ave/Bway line or for the 8th ave they were just ther own color, until 1978 when the T/A just decided to match colors by there manhattan route i belivie The IND used letters since its beginning in 1932. IIRC in the early 60s, the IRT and BMT started using numbers and letters. Before the early 60s, the BMT used numbers: 1- Brighton ( 2- 4th Avenue 3- West End 4- Sea Beach 5- Culver- lower part of 6- 5 Avenue 7- Franklin Avenue- Franklin Avenue 8- Astoria 9- Flushing 10- Myrtle- Chambers 11- Myrtle- Jay 12- Lexington 13- Fulton Street- the from 80 Street to Lefferts 14- Broadway Brooklyn 15- Jamaica 16- Canarsie The lines had a different color until either 1978 or 1979. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted March 1, 2009 Share #9 Posted March 1, 2009 The IND used letters since its beginning in 1932. IIRC in the early 60s, the IRT and BMT started using numbers and letters. Before the early 60s, the BMT used numbers: 1- Brighton ( ... 7- Franklin Avenue- Franklin Avenue The lines had a different color until either 1978 or 1979. The BMT 1 was Brighton Express to the Manhattan Bridge (off to where it went to in after it entered Manhattan) and the BMT 7 was Brighton Local, but instead of continuing to Manhattan, it went down Franklin Avenue. The Franklin Avenue Shuttle wasn't always a shuttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 1, 2009 Share #10 Posted March 1, 2009 Here are the major routes of the rapid transit system in 1959 way before the 6th Avenue connection. I'm not sure if this is what you were looking for. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted March 1, 2009 Share #11 Posted March 1, 2009 Here are the major routes of the rapid transit system in 1959 way before the 6th Avenue connection. I'm not sure if this is what you were looking for. :cool: Gracais Harry. Great info about the NYC subway back in the day around 1960. Some of this info is cool as some of these routings i did not know about myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted March 1, 2009 Share #12 Posted March 1, 2009 Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.1; en-us; dream) AppleWebKit/525.10+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0.4 Mobile Safari/523.12.2) The only place where alphanumeric characters were official route identifiers. From the beginning was the IND. (A-H). And even those seemed to be originally intended as "signals" for the towers, as that old 1930's map calls them. On my page: http://www.erictb.info/linehistory.html, I treat the lines as by the current routes as we know them. (So the present actually started in 1920, even though it wouldn't be designated as such for the first 40 years!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffmorris Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted March 1, 2009 I found this website while searching the Internet for NYCTA subway routes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_City_Subway_services Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeLow Posted March 1, 2009 Share #14 Posted March 1, 2009 The IND used letters since its beginning in 1932. IIRC in the early 60s, the IRT and BMT started using numbers and letters. Before the early 60s, the BMT used numbers: 1- Brighton ( 2- 4th Avenue 3- West End 4- Sea Beach 5- Culver- lower part of 6- 5 Avenue 7- Franklin Avenue- Franklin Avenue 8- Astoria 9- Flushing 10- Myrtle- Chambers 11- Myrtle- Jay 12- Lexington 13- Fulton Street- the from 80 Street to Lefferts 14- Broadway Brooklyn 15- Jamaica 16- Canarsie The lines had a different color until either 1978 or 1979. Thanks for the great info! I knew the IND had letters back as far as the 40s cause of Billy Strayhorn's fantastic song 'Take The Train' that was done up righteous by Count Basie and his Orchestra. Your info confirms that the IND had letters from the jump. Thanks Eric B for your input and and two big thumbs up to Harry for those two maps!! :tup::tup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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