checkmatechamp13 Posted June 10, 2017 Share #351 Posted June 10, 2017 By that logic, the M15 SBS should be scrapped as soon as possible, because it parallels the . Yeah, for like a mile and a half. That's like saying the B44 duplicates the (whether somebody likes the fact that they put SBS on the route, the fact that it spends a relatively short segment of its route duplicating it doesn't equate to the entire line duplicating it). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetroTransitTee Posted June 10, 2017 Share #352 Posted June 10, 2017 My question on the three bus routes between Brooklyn & Manhattan is what depot(s) will they come out of & how many of the 200 buses from Toronto will go to these depot(s)? I heard that's not happening anymore apparently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted June 10, 2017 Share #353 Posted June 10, 2017 By that logic, the M15 SBS should be scrapped as soon as possible, because it parallels the . I don't see why the subway should be a sticking point for not giving buses LTD or SBS service. The Bx1 has LTD service, runs articulated buses, runs with the Bx2, and parallels the for a good portion of the route. Also, since when does the Q103 mirror any subway line? The Q102 is longer than the crosstowns from end to end. The Astoria-bound route is shorter than the Roosevelt Island-bound route (since it doesn't serve the northern parts of the island), but is 4.9 miles long. The M34A is 2.9 miles long, the M34 is 1.9 miles long, the M23 is 2.5 miles long, and the M79 is 2.2 miles long. May I ask why you mentioned the Bx1/2 and the D on the GC when that whole Blvd is the busiest street in the Bronx other than Fordham Rd & Boston Road north of Pelham Pkway in terms of transit? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS4Ever Posted June 10, 2017 Share #354 Posted June 10, 2017 in retrospect there must be a bus variant of a subway line corridor is a law in transit...the M15 cant be scrapped since there are some who wish to take buses rather than subways as well as the BX1-2 and B44 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 10, 2017 Share #355 Posted June 10, 2017 I don't see why the subway should be a sticking point for not giving buses LTD or SBS service.... I agree with this, to a point..... If I see SBS service being propped along a bus line that mirrors a significant portion of an already lengthy subway stint, I would see that as throwing shade as to how ineffective/inefficient that subway line is, as well as the local/LTD bus variant of that line.... As far as LTD service though, that's where I concur with what you're saying.... The subway isn't really equivalent to LTD service for a local line that runs above/below it..... The Bx1 LTD is obviously proof of that.... in retrospect there must be a bus variant of a subway line corridor is a law in transit...the M15 cant be scrapped since there are some who wish to take buses rather than subways as well as the BX1-2 and B44 Which law is this now? Because it's clearly being broken along McDonald av..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted June 10, 2017 Share #356 Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) May I ask why you mentioned the Bx1/2 and the D on the GC when that whole Blvd is the busiest street in the Bronx other than Fordham Rd & Boston Road north of Pelham Pkway in terms of transit? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app To prove my point (and you're proving it by asking me that question too). Disregarding some of the examples you mentioned regarding duplication, you can't just say that the subway runs above/below it, and therefore LTD/SBS service is immediately out the window. You pointing out that Grand Concourse buses carry is a clear indication of a corridor which does not follow said "guideline". You have Locals, LTD's, and the subway, and all three are utilized. This is not the route that would break such a rule. Judging by what you count as duplication on the Bx19 example, over half the routes which have LIMITED service wouldn't have them today. It's not like you can even transfer between the and the in The Bronx. Edited June 10, 2017 by BM5 via Woodhaven Bl 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted June 10, 2017 Share #357 Posted June 10, 2017 At that point why not just convert the M14A/D as well? That's what I thought too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 11, 2017 Share #358 Posted June 11, 2017 I agree with this, to a point..... If I see SBS service being propped along a bus line that mirrors a significant portion of an already lengthy subway stint, I would see that as throwing shade as to how ineffective/inefficient that subway line is, as well as the local/LTD bus variant of that line.... As far as LTD service though, that's where I concur with what you're saying.... The subway isn't really equivalent to LTD service for a local line that runs above/below it..... The Bx1 LTD is obviously proof of that.... Which law is this now? Because it's clearly being broken along McDonald av..... And 4th Avenue in Brooklyn... (except for the Staten Island buses and the B9; I wouldn't consider the B37 or B63 an variant as the buses serve different purposes than the train e.g. bus for short trips, subway for Manhattan) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B22viaAtlanticAv Posted June 11, 2017 Share #359 Posted June 11, 2017 Thinking ahead is the proposed M14 SBS going to continue going to the Ferry on the Eastern end after the L Train is fixed...guess we will see as the story develops. As for the M14A/D I really don't see a smooth way to convert either one into the main SBS with the other being the Lcl counterpart or both being SBS so its nice that they chose not to touch either of them route wise 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted June 11, 2017 Share #360 Posted June 11, 2017 Thinking ahead is the proposed M14 SBS going to continue going to the Ferry on the Eastern end after the L Train is fixed...guess we will see as the story develops. As for the M14A/D I really don't see a smooth way to convert either one into the main SBS with the other being the Lcl counterpart or both being SBS so its nice that they chose not to touch either of them route wise Lol @ your banner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted June 11, 2017 Share #361 Posted June 11, 2017 Kind of meta: has this just turned into a general SBS thread now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted June 11, 2017 Author Share #362 Posted June 11, 2017 Kind of meta: has this just turned into a general SBS thread now? I guess so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted June 11, 2017 Share #363 Posted June 11, 2017 Kind of meta: has this just turned into a general SBS thread now? I guess so.I'll allow it lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted June 11, 2017 Share #364 Posted June 11, 2017 (edited) Topic retitled and pinned. Edited June 11, 2017 by Cait Sith 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted June 11, 2017 Author Share #365 Posted June 11, 2017 Thanks. I was sort of hoping that my post would morph into this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted June 12, 2017 Share #366 Posted June 12, 2017 I remember when the original B50 was rerouted onto Avenue K between Flatlands and Kings Highway in both directions. It didn't last long.... I believe that this was in the 90s when I was in high school..... It was on Nov 12, 1978 when the B50 started and it ran on Avenue K for about three weeks or three months, I am not sure. The residents of Avenue K protested and with the help of elected officials got it removed. I think it should have stayed on Avenue K. The difference this time is that DOT and the MTA won't listen if the residents protest this time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted June 12, 2017 Share #367 Posted June 12, 2017 It was on Nov 12, 1978 when the B50 started and it ran on Avenue K for about three weeks or three months, I am not sure. The residents of Avenue K protested and with the help of elected officials got it removed. I think it should have stayed on Avenue K. The difference this time is that DOT and the MTA won't listen if the residents protest this time. I mean, anyone who was old enough and had time to protest in 1978 is also probably long gone by now... It's almost four decades now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted June 13, 2017 Share #368 Posted June 13, 2017 With the rockaway sbs and the fact they are going to get island bus stops, they better be smart and put barriers or bollards in as wide as the bus door area just like in LA cause once a car drives into the bus stop it's all over found this on wiki credit goes to someone called metro96 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Harbor_Freeway_Metro_Green_%26_Silver_Lines_Station-_Picture_1.JPG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted June 16, 2017 Share #369 Posted June 16, 2017 I mean, anyone who was old enough and had time to protest in 1978 is also probably long gone by now... It's almost four decades now. I think you're trying to insult Interested Rider, BrooklynBus, and myself, lol. I forgive you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted June 16, 2017 Share #370 Posted June 16, 2017 I think you're trying to insult Interested Rider, BrooklynBus, and myself, lol. I forgive you. I guess to clarify what I mean without being insulting, a lot has changed since 1978. I'd find it hard to believe that any neighborhood looks or feels the same way since way back when, and that the residents have the same objections or the same feelings about things back then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted June 16, 2017 Share #371 Posted June 16, 2017 The DOT tents are up under the Kings Highway station, with people explaining SBS and collecting emails for the mailing list. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted June 16, 2017 Share #372 Posted June 16, 2017 I guess to clarify what I mean without being insulting, a lot has changed since 1978. I'd find it hard to believe that any neighborhood looks or feels the same way since way back when, and that the residents have the same objections or the same feelings about things back then. I doubt it if anyone at the MTA even realizes the route is nice used Avenue K. They probably just looked at the map and thought it was a good idea without knowing the history. The DOT tents are up under the Kings Highway station, with people explaining SBS and collecting emails for the mailing list. I wish they were there yesterday. I took the B7 from Coney Island Avenue to Ocean Avenue at around 2:30. The trip took 15 minutes for ten blocks. There was a B82 SBS right behind us that never passed us. I would have asked them how SBS would have made that trip faster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted June 16, 2017 Share #373 Posted June 16, 2017 I doubt it if anyone at the MTA even realizes the route is nice used Avenue K. They probably just looked at the map and thought it was a good idea without knowing the history. I wish they were there yesterday. I took the B7 from Coney Island Avenue to Ocean Avenue at around 2:30. The trip took 15 minutes for ten blocks. There was a B82 SBS right behind us that never passed us. I would have asked them how SBS would have made that trip faster. B82 SBS? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted June 16, 2017 Share #374 Posted June 16, 2017 I wish they were there yesterday. I took the B7 from Coney Island Avenue to Ocean Avenue at around 2:30. The trip took 15 minutes for ten blocks. There was a B82 SBS right behind us that never passed us. I would have asked them how SBS would have made that trip faster. With Kings Highway congestion there's no way to get past the traffic woes. I'd rather walk the ten blocks than to wait for a B7 or B82 limited. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted June 17, 2017 Share #375 Posted June 17, 2017 With Kings Highway congestion there's no way to get past the traffic woes. I'd rather walk the ten blocks than to wait for a B7 or B82 limited. I would have walked if my back was not hurting. Since there is no way to get past the traffic woes, SBS on Kings Highway names no sense. It should run on Avenue P as a new route or not run at all. SBS supposed to be fast. If it can't be, then it is just a fancy name without any effectiveness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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