ADA-Accessibility - General Discussion

[SubwayFan3000]

6 hours ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

That was back then. If the  LaGuardia Extension was proposed again, the reactions from the Astoria Community would be different. Of course there would still be opposition from the community, but I don’t think it’ll be as fierce like back then. That’s because whenever people in New York hear the word Elevated (in terms of the NYC Subway), they think of the old style EL’s that we currently have in Place. However, we’re long past those days and are this capable of building modern EL’s. Either way, it’ll still be better than Cuomo’s AirTrain. 

 

Anyways, back to the topic at hand. After the public meeting that  had about making more Subway Stations ADA accessible, did they ever make a final choice on which are he next Stations to receive ADA accessibility? 

(I personally hope they add Woodhaven Blvd , Rockaway Blvd , And Crescent Street  onto their list)

Oh I Get it, but how can a New El be connected with the old El?

[bobtehpanda]

On 4/25/2019 at 8:56 PM, subwayfan1998 said:

Oh I Get it, but how can a New El be connected with the old El?

Carefully.

[Union Tpke]

On 3/17/2019 at 5:21 PM, ABOGbrooklyn said:

What else has to be installed to make it ADA compliant? Seems like it shouldn't be top priority to me..

http://www.mta.info/press-release/nyc-transit/nyc-transit-enhance-accessibility-improve-station-environment-canarsie

NYC Transit to Enhance Accessibility, Improve Station Environment at Canarsie-Rockaway Pkwy Station

Bus, Subway Riders to Benefit from Intermodal Station Improvements Such as Upgraded Bus Terminal, StationBooth & Accessible Customer Amenities

MTA New York City Transit today announced that the Canarsie-Rockaway Pkwy subway station will undergo a transformative intermodal project beginning in May to increase accessibility and improve customer amenities at the Brooklyn terminus of the  line, which is also a major bus transfer point for thousands of eastern Brooklyn residents. The station will remain open to service during the construction. 

“The Rockaway Parkway station is the only link between the subway and buses in this part of eastern Brooklyn, which is why it’s so important that this station be accessible to anyone using public transit here,” said NYC Transit President Andy Byford.  “With this expansive improvement project, we’re making sure that whether you’re a subway or a bus customer -- or very likely both -- you will have seamless access to every part of the station and that you have the amenities for a comfortable and clean commute.”  

“We’re continuing to work hard to increase accessibility throughout the New York City Transit system, including looking at places where we can get that done quickly and without a huge impact to customers,” said Alex Elegudin, NYCT Senior Advisor for Systemwide Accessibility. “Enhancing the accessibility at Rockaway Parkway is a win-win for everyone because the improvements benefit both bus and subway customers and help us move closer to our goal of having an accessible station not more than two stops away for any customer.”

The Canarsie-Rockaway Pkwy station, which opened for service 113 years ago, is unique in that it is one of the few street-level stations in the subway system and bus stops are integrated within the station property. Due to its intermodal nature, the station was prioritized to improve its existing accessibility features for thousands of customers who transfer between buses and subways there and to enhance the overall station environment.

While the station is currently accessible, the improvements will bring the station to a higher level of usability with additional accessibility features. The entire project will include rehabilitating the intermodal bus terminal, creating designated bus stops with a new sidewalk curb for bus ramps to extend to the appropriate height for wheelchair access, rehabilitating the subway station house, upgrading the station agent booth with wheelchair-user height amenities, constructing an accessible unisex bathroom, adding new crew facilities, replacing doors and windows, installing new roofs, constructing new accessible sidewalks, adding turnstiles and accessible subway platform edges, repairing the station’s island platform, and regrading all station ramps.

The first phase of the project, which will focus on the bus terminal, begins on Monday, May 13. During this phase, the B6 and B42 stops will be temporarily relocated to nearby streets until fall 2019. B42 buses will terminate on Rockaway Parkway between Glenwood Road and Smiths Lane at the existing B60 stop. Westbound B6 buses will stop on Rockaway Parkway between Glenwood Road and Conklin Avenue. Once this phase is completed, the B6, B42 and B82 local routes and B82 Select Bus Service will stop at the station.

More than 12,000 customers enter the subway system through the Canarsie-Rockaway Pkwy station every weekday, and half of those customers transfer between buses and the subway at that station. As a reminder, transfers between MTA buses and subways are free with MetroCards, and beginning 12:01 a.m. on May 13 through the construction on the bus terminal in the station, an additional free MetroCard transfer is available for customers who use the B42 route during the course of their journey. The entire project is scheduled for completion in 2020. 

[bobtehpanda]

Has the MTA been better about maintaining new bathrooms? Because the old ones are a mess.

[Lex]

42 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said:

Has the MTA been better about maintaining new bathrooms? Because the old ones are a mess.

Perhaps.

That said, very few can even qualify as usable, considering that the MTA's still cheap about soap and paper.

[Union Tpke]

Dashboard Update:

ADA

http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_pi.php?PROJNUM=t7041340&PLTYPE=1

http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_budget.php?PROJNUM=t7041340&PLTYPE=1

http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_budhist.php?PROJNUM=t7041340&PLTYPE=1

T7041340

 

ADA Accessibility at Avenue H on the Brighton Line (Northbound) - Design Only

 

This project will provide design funding to make the Avenue H Station on the Brighton Line in the borough of Brooklyn fully accessible in the northbound direction per the requirements of the Americans with Disabilities Act. The station is already accessible in the southbound direction. Construction will be addressed in a future capital program.

Design start Apr 2019 End Oct 2019

$1,109,212

 

http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_budhist.php?PROJNUM=t7041339&PLTYPE=1

http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_pi.php?PROJNUM=t7041339&PLTYPE=1

http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_budget.php?PROJNUM=t7041339&PLTYPE=1

T7041339

ADA Accessibility at Broadway Junction on the Canarsie and Jamaica Avenue Lines -
Design Only

This project will provide design funding to make the Canarsie and Jamaica Avenue Line stations at the Broadway Junction complex in the borough of Brooklyn fully accessible per the requirements of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Construction will be addressed in a future capital program.

Design Mar 2019 End Mar 2021

$626,301

 

 

http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_pi.php?PROJNUM=t7041338&PLTYPE=1

http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_budget.php?PROJNUM=t7041338&PLTYPE=1

T7041338

ADA Accessibility at Tremont Avenue on the Concourse Line - Design Only

 

This project will provide design funding to make Tremont Avenue Station on the Concourse Line in the borough of the Bronx fully accessible per the requirements of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Construction will be addressed in a future capital program.

Design Start Mar 2019 End Nov 2019

$2,563,585

 

http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_budget.php?PROJNUM=t7041331&PLTYPE=1

http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_budhist.php?PROJNUM=t7041331&PLTYPE=1

T7041331

 

ADA Accessibility at Livonia Ave on the Canarsie Line

This project will fund design activities to provide full ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) accessibility at Livonia Ave station on the Canarsie Line. Some schedule dates are not available, due to project being under development.

Design End Mar 2019

http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_budget.php?PROJNUM=t7041333&PLTYPE=1

http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_budhist.php?PROJNUM=t7041333&PLTYPE=1

http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_pi.php?PROJNUM=t7041333&PLTYPE=1

T7041333

 

ADA Accessibility at Broadway Junction on the Fulton Street Line

 

This project will provide design funding to make the Fulton Street Line station at the Broadway Junction complex in the borough of Brooklyn fully accessible per the requirements of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Some schedule dates are not available, due to project being under development.

Design Start Mar 2019 End Mar 2021

$313,151  Initial funding was provided for design from the "ADA Enhancements at Various Locations" project; additional funding for subsequent phases of design and construction will be transferred accordingly.

 

http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_pi.php?PROJNUM=t7041335&PLTYPE=1

http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_budget.php?PROJNUM=t7041335&PLTYPE=1

http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_budhist.php?PROJNUM=t7041335&PLTYPE=1

T7041335

ADA Enhancements at Queensboro Plaza on the Flushing Line

This project will fund design activities to provide full ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) accessibility at Queensboro Plaza station on the Flushing Line. Some schedule dates are not available, due to project being under development.

 

Design End Jun 2019

$2,801,080

[P3F]

The ADA accessibility at Avenue H could get complicated if they're required to have an ADA accessible connection between the two platforms. If that's not required, then it simply becomes a question of where exactly to put the northbound ramp.

[BreeddekalbL]

In reference to pending lawsuit about ada accessibility could mta be forced Into a consent decree which says they would be forced to make those stations that they just jazzed up ada? 

[Around the Horn]

Construction on the elevators at 59th Street  has kicked into high gear this week...

The 60th Street exit has been converted from HEETs to the typical low turnstiles and there's a booth being built there too.

They've closed off one of the stairs from the 59th Street mezzanine to the southbound platform for "relocation" and put this sign up.

 

[Union Tpke]

On 2/25/2019 at 7:11 PM, Enjineer said:

My mom just sent me a photo on her way home from work – we've seen the shaft for a while, but 86th on the 4/5/6 is getting an elevator! I only saw a shaft from street level, on the northbound side, as they're building a new building on the northeast corner, so it may be northbound only (and not sure if it'll serve both the local and express platforms, or just the local one). Still, it's something!

 

 

Do you know if any progress has been made here?

[Union Tpke]

@Lance An elevator will also be added at Rector Street southbound as part of a development.

https://fintel.io/doc/sec-tphs-trinity-place-holdings-10q-2018-may-10-18002

Also, are you going to add the stations in the design phase to the map?

Edited May 17, 2019 by Union Tpke

[Enjineer]

1 hour ago, Union Tpke said:

Do you know if any progress has been made here?

Yes! The entrances on the northeast corner of Lex and 86th seem much more permanent now, and the elevator is in the shaft and looks to be ready for service, with full signage on the elevator. I'll grab a pic the next time I have the chance; I thought of it the other day but sadly didn't. 

[Union Tpke]

1 minute ago, Enjineer said:

Yes! The entrances on the northeast corner of Lex and 86th seem much more permanent now, and the elevator is in the shaft and looks to be ready for service, with full signage on the elevator. I'll grab a pic the next time I have the chance; I thought of it the other day but sadly didn't. 

Thanks!

[Lance]

On ‎5‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 5:50 PM, Union Tpke said:

@Lance An elevator will also be added at Rector Street southbound as part of a development.

https://fintel.io/doc/sec-tphs-trinity-place-holdings-10q-2018-may-10-18002

Also, are you going to add the stations in the design phase to the map?

Added.

[Union Tpke]

Thanks. I was referring to Rector on the  .

[Union Tpke]

Also, is there a way to do a green arrow pointing down for Rector? Tremont Avenue and Avenue H haven't been added yet. I also noted that you didn't note the connection with the Q52 at Woodhaven.

Thanks so much for the amazing map.

[Union Tpke]

One more thing.

I noticed another update that is needed. In the Planned Accessibility table, you should change 8th Avenue from Manhattan-bound to both directions now that the project's scope was expanded. 95th Street is not listed in the Design Phase section.

Thanks again.

[Bay Ridge Express]

ESI on Bay Ridge Av was the perfect time to add accessibility.

But now that it's done the station will not receive an elevator anytime soon. Very bad news for the old folks traveling frequently up the stairs. All Bay Ridge stations could've soon been accessible.

Edited May 19, 2019 by Bay Ridge Express

[Union Tpke]

14 minutes ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

ESI on Bay Ridge Av was the perfect time to add accessibility.

But now that it's done the station will not receive an elevator anytime soon. Very bad news for the old folks traveling frequently up the stairs. All Bay Ridge stations could've soon been accessible.

Exactly!

[Around the Horn]

57 minutes ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

ESI on Bay Ridge Av was the perfect time to add accessibility.

But now that it's done the station will not receive an elevator anytime soon. Very bad news for the old folks traveling frequently up the stairs. All Bay Ridge stations could've soon been accessible.

Bay Ridge Avenue is a unique situation where ADA accessibility is a pain in the ass at a minimum if not impossible, because of the design of the mezzanine.

The mezzanine is very compact, with most of it being located underneath the northernmost crosswalk for Bay Ridge Avenue and the staircases are already on each corner. You also can't add a sidewalk extension to fit an elevator because the B9 makes a turn on the same corner. Dropping an elevator directly from the street to each platform is also impossible because the Manhattan bound platform is directly underneath the leftmost northbound lane of 4th Avenue.

Not to mention that back of the house spaces on both the mezzanine level and underneath the stairs on the platform level prevent you from moving a staircase to create room for an elevator shaft from the mezzanine to the platform.

I suppose you might be able to extend the mezzanine northward and install elevators down to the platform but I don't know if the vertical clearances work out for that.

Edited May 19, 2019 by Around the Horn

[R68OnBroadway]

When they did ESI at 163rd, couldn't they add ADA easily? They demolished the staircase at 163rd so they could have just put in an elevator there and reopened the northern part of the mezzanine (elevators to the platforms could also be done by maybe replacing one of the staircases).

[Union Tpke]

1 hour ago, Around the Horn said:

Bay Ridge Avenue is a unique situation where ADA accessibility is a pain in the ass at a minimum if not impossible, because of the design of the mezzanine.

The mezzanine is very compact, with most of it being located underneath the northernmost crosswalk for Bay Ridge Avenue and the staircases are already on each corner. You also can't add a sidewalk extension to fit an elevator because the B9 makes a turn on the same corner. Dropping an elevator directly from the street to each platform is also impossible because the Manhattan bound platform is directly underneath the leftmost northbound lane of 4th Avenue.

Not to mention that back of the house spaces on both the mezzanine level and underneath the stairs on the platform level prevent you from moving a staircase to create room for an elevator shaft from the mezzanine to the platform.

I suppose you might be able to extend the mezzanine northward and install elevators down to the platform but I don't know if the vertical clearances work out for that.

Thanks for this amazing level of detail! This is why I wish the STANTEC report is public!

[Bay Ridge Express]

7 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

Dropping an elevator directly from the street to each platform is also impossible because the Manhattan bound platform is directly underneath the leftmost northbound lane of 4th Avenue.

What about a street-to-platform elevator Bay Ridge-bound only? Could that be built to make the station at least partially accessible? I suppose that would not be favorable though, for obvious reasons.

[Enjineer]

@Union Tpke Since you asked for the progress at 86th's uptown elevator to the , I was able to get some photos of it today. Here: 

Platform level

Reconstructed stairs as well 

Street level

[Union Tpke]

@Enjineer Thanks for the photos! I wonder why the elevator could not have gone to the express platform. What is on the space spot on that platform?