4 via Mosholu Posted May 14, 2022 Share #201 Posted May 14, 2022 3 hours ago, RTOMan said: They talking ATO in effect only on the E, come to find out the E and F fleets run different versions of CBTC.. How is that possible on the Queens Boulevard Express? I thought they were supposed to be equipped with only the Thales CBTC from Flushing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted May 15, 2022 Share #202 Posted May 15, 2022 8 hours ago, RTOMan said: They are survey marking the tracks East of Kew... Not sure when but there will be Full Shut downs past CTL on the Weekends, which they will start running cables and dropping down transponders and switch work at Parsons Hillside and 169. Trains are already Localized at 179 meaning the folks at the CBTC area at RCC can see the trains in that station. They talking ATO in effect only on the Echo, come to find out the Echo and Fox Fleets run different versions of CBTC.. That’s par for the course with those in charge. I pointed out in another thread about the R211 fleet that we were told that the rollout would take 25+ years. The joke was that the software would be obsolete by then meaning that the project would never end. Those of us in the IRT were told that our ATS system was an overlay of the CBTC project and CBTC would come to us, too. From my vantage point the system appears to be for the IND exclusively with the BMT testbeds on the and the the exception. Before the other folks try to correct my BMT statement I’m guessing that only you and a few other people know that the has no connection to the IRT either back in the Command Center days or the RCC of today. Their radio frequency is B1 , same as the and the Franklin shuttle. Thanks for the update. Be safe. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted May 15, 2022 Share #203 Posted May 15, 2022 19 hours ago, 4 via Mosholu said: How is that possible on the Queens Boulevard Express? I thought they were supposed to be equipped with only the Thales CBTC from Flushing. GOs have been out with them doing ATO testing on the Echo on the Midnights so they figured something out.. Echos and Foxes Run different versions of CBTC Software as i found out.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted May 15, 2022 Share #204 Posted May 15, 2022 15 hours ago, Trainmaster5 said: That’s par for the course with those in charge. I pointed out in another thread about the R211 fleet that we were told that the rollout would take 25+ years. The joke was that the software would be obsolete by then meaning that the project would never end. Those of us in the IRT were told that our ATS system was an overlay of the CBTC project and CBTC would come to us, too. From my vantage point the system appears to be for the IND exclusively with the BMT testbeds on the and the the exception. Before the other folks try to correct my BMT statement I’m guessing that only you and a few other people know that the has no connection to the IRT either back in the Command Center days or the RCC of today. Their radio frequency is B1 , same as the and the Franklin shuttle. Thanks for the update. Be safe. It just amuses me now basically i don't lose sleep over what they do... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted May 15, 2022 Share #205 Posted May 15, 2022 On 5/14/2022 at 12:06 PM, RTOMan said: They are survey marking the tracks East of Kew... Not sure when but there will be Full Shut downs past CTL on the Weekends, which they will start running cables and dropping down transponders and switch work at Parsons Hillside and 169. Trains are already Localized at 179 meaning the folks at the CBTC area at RCC can see the trains in that station. They have CBTC set up at that one station, isolated from the rest of the system (not installed between there and Kew yet)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted May 18, 2022 Share #206 Posted May 18, 2022 On 5/15/2022 at 7:38 PM, Eric B said: They have CBTC set up at that one station, isolated from the rest of the system (not installed between there and Kew yet)? Not any more they shut it down... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted May 19, 2022 Share #207 Posted May 19, 2022 On 5/18/2022 at 8:17 AM, RTOMan said: Not any more they shut it down... just upgrade to ATS to all existing signals and call it a day lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted May 27, 2022 Share #208 Posted May 27, 2022 On 5/19/2022 at 7:23 PM, 553 Bridgeton said: just upgrade to ATS to all existing signals and call it a day lol Then trains will never move lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted June 15, 2022 Share #209 Posted June 15, 2022 More ATO testing this time on the Midnights In Queens Next week.. They also doing CBTC Test trains in Brooklyn along the Culver Line... New Signals are in at the Ave X interlocking both directions.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted June 19, 2022 Share #210 Posted June 19, 2022 On 6/15/2022 at 9:17 AM, RTOMan said: More ATO testing this time on the Midnights In Queens Next week.. They also doing CBTC Test trains in Brooklyn along the Culver Line... New Signals are in at the Ave X interlocking both directions.... My TSS instructor is not too happy about that flashing red nonsense lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted July 25, 2022 Share #211 Posted July 25, 2022 https://new.mta.info/document/91711https://new.mta.info/document/91716 - 6th Avenue CBTC has been added to the 2020-2024 Capital Plan - The above goes in line with the reason the and would become 100% NTT as a direct result of the R211 order - Express Tracks to/from 47th-50th Streets-Rockerfeller Center - Local Tracks to/from 21st Street Queensbridge to Jay Street-MetroTech - Fulton Street CBTC has been expanded from Jay Street-MetroTech to High Street - This is to ensure the interlocking north of Jay Street is fully CBTC - Astoria and Lexington Avenue CBTC projects have been dropped from the 2020-2024 Capital Plan - Lexington Avenue CBTC was dropped due to the R262 order not being awarded yet - An amendment was made to the R262 order that only the Base Order will be funded through the 2020-2024 Capital Plan - Both Option Order R262's would be funded through the 2025-2029 Capital Plan - Apparently the future Electric Bus Order for OA/TA has fluctuated from 375 down to 355, and now bumped up to 370 - The 713 Standard Buses are as follows (155 CNG's/210 Hybrid's/348 Diesel Buses) There is definitely a lot more, someone is currently looking at more of this in the meantime which I will share here when they do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted July 25, 2022 Share #212 Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) Oh thank goodness they came to their senses and put 6th Ave CBTC in the 2020-24 budget! Without it, the and trains would be dead in the water if 6th Ave shits the bed. Likewise, I’m glad they’re deferring Astoria and Lex. Because, if they were to do Lex without doing 7th right after, then the and trains would likely suffer the same fate as the and if 7th Ave were to shit the bed. And doing Astoria without doing the main Broadway Line seemed just pointless, unless the MTA were planning to put narrow-bodied trains back on the Astoria Line for the first time since 1948 and run them into Manhattan via the . But it wouldn’t make very much sense to do that. What’s interesting is that they’re now looking again at the possibility of retrofitting existing cars to operate with modernized signaling, which they previously ruled out when they began modernizing the signaling system on the line, which sent its R62A trains back to the line. Edited July 25, 2022 by T to Dyre Avenue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted July 26, 2022 Share #213 Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: Oh thank goodness they came to their senses and put 6th Ave CBTC in the 2020-24 budget! Without it, the and trains would be dead in the water if 6th Ave shits the bed. Likewise, I’m glad they’re deferring Astoria and Lex. Because, if they were to do Lex without doing 7th right after, then the and trains would likely suffer the same fate as the and if 7th Ave were to shit the bed. And doing Astoria without doing the main Broadway Line seemed just pointless, unless the MTA were planning to put narrow-bodied trains back on the Astoria Line for the first time since 1948 and run them into Manhattan via the . But it wouldn’t make very much sense to do that. What’s interesting is that they’re now looking again at the possibility of retrofitting existing cars to operate with modernized signaling, which they previously ruled out when they began modernizing the signaling system on the line, which sent its R62A trains back to the line. Actually all they did now is shift the issue to Broadway. If Broadway shits the bed (as you say), the can get rerouted via 6 Av, but the (assuming the is still running in the future) will be f**ked. And with the trains stuck unable to go into Manhattan due to no other lines being able to accommodate the SMEE cars, trains will get stuck in Brooklyn (Prospect Park for the and at either 36 St or Atlantic Av Barclays Center for the ). And yes, Lexington has to be done in tandem with 7 Av, but in my opinion, Broadway and 6th Av should have been done simultaneously, order enough R211 cars to just finish off all the old cars to prevent this catastrophe. Its one thing when there's only one trunk line where SMEE cars cannot run on (Queens Blvd), but its something else when now the SMEE cars CAN ONLY RUN on one trunk line (in this case, Broadway), because the NTT cars can run in fixed-block territory, but SMEEs cannot run in CBTC territory. And if the older cars are retrofitted with modernized signaling, then might as well keep the R68s on the , shift R160s from Jamaica to Coney Island, and give Jamaica / Pitkin / 207 St the R211s for the . Edited July 26, 2022 by darkstar8983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted July 26, 2022 Share #214 Posted July 26, 2022 30 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said: Actually all they did now is shift the issue to Broadway. If Broadway shits the bed (as you say), the can get rerouted via 6 Av, but the (assuming the is still running in the future) will be f**ked. And with the trains stuck unable to go into Manhattan due to no other lines being able to accommodate the SMEE cars, trains will get stuck in Brooklyn (Prospect Park for the and at either 36 St or Atlantic Av Barclays Center for the ). And yes, Lexington has to be done in tandem with 7 Av, but in my opinion, Broadway and 6th Av should have been done simultaneously, order enough R211 cars to just finish off all the old cars to prevent this catastrophe. Its one thing when there's only one trunk line where SMEE cars cannot run on (Queens Blvd), but its something else when now the SMEE cars CAN ONLY RUN on one trunk line (in this case, Broadway), because the NTT cars can run in fixed-block territory, but SMEEs cannot run in CBTC territory. And if the older cars are retrofitted with modernized signaling, then might as well keep the R68s on the , shift R160s from Jamaica to Coney Island, and give Jamaica / Pitkin / 207 St the R211s for the . That’s a good point but by the time 6th Avenue CBTC comes online, we’ll likely have both Option orders for the R-211 fleet. Which would mean that half of the 68/68A fleet would be spending a majority of their time in the yard… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted July 26, 2022 Share #215 Posted July 26, 2022 2 hours ago, darkstar8983 said: Actually all they did now is shift the issue to Broadway. If Broadway shits the bed (as you say), the can get rerouted via 6 Av, but the (assuming the is still running in the future) will be f**ked. And with the trains stuck unable to go into Manhattan due to no other lines being able to accommodate the SMEE cars, trains will get stuck in Brooklyn (Prospect Park for the and at either 36 St or Atlantic Av Barclays Center for the ). And yes, Lexington has to be done in tandem with 7 Av, but in my opinion, Broadway and 6th Av should have been done simultaneously, order enough R211 cars to just finish off all the old cars to prevent this catastrophe. Its one thing when there's only one trunk line where SMEE cars cannot run on (Queens Blvd), but its something else when now the SMEE cars CAN ONLY RUN on one trunk line (in this case, Broadway), because the NTT cars can run in fixed-block territory, but SMEEs cannot run in CBTC territory. And if the older cars are retrofitted with modernized signaling, then might as well keep the R68s on the , shift R160s from Jamaica to Coney Island, and give Jamaica / Pitkin / 207 St the R211s for the . They're referring to the R142/As as "older cars" in that document. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted July 26, 2022 Share #216 Posted July 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Around the Horn said: They're referring to the R142/As as "older cars" in that document. Actually the R142/R142As were already planned on being CBTC Compatible for the Lexington Avenue CBTC when that project was announced a few years ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted July 26, 2022 Share #217 Posted July 26, 2022 By the time all of that comes online ill be retired sitting in the Sun... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted July 26, 2022 Share #218 Posted July 26, 2022 6 hours ago, RTOMan said: By the time all of that comes online ill be retired sitting in the Sun... hahaha hilarious. I assume you're really young then. I'll probably be in the ground 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted July 27, 2022 Share #219 Posted July 27, 2022 17 hours ago, Daniel The Cool said: Actually the R142/R142As were already planned on being CBTC Compatible for the Lexington Avenue CBTC when that project was announced a few years ago. Yes that's correct. They never actually got around to drafting specs for that work due to the pandemic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted July 27, 2022 Share #220 Posted July 27, 2022 37 minutes ago, Around the Horn said: Yes that's correct. They never actually got around to drafting specs for that work due to the pandemic. at least for the R142As there’s precedent that 380/600 cars were already retrofitted for CBTC on the . I forget if the cars had to be shipped off for CBTC retrofit or if the conversion can be done in-house. I do remember that the car swap between the and couldn’t start until the factory fresh R188s were all on the to give the a spare factor while it’s cars were transferred to the . It was particularly rough swapping cars from the main line to the and vice versa due to the swap having to take place overnight and the move involving the train going as follows: 1. Corona Yard to Hunters Point Av 2. Hunters point Av to Queensboro Plaza then switch over on the Astoria line and park on the Astoria Express track @ 39 Av 3. Then run down the line to Atlantic Av Barclays Center 4. then run via the line via the Manhattan Bridge to concourse yard. 5. Then move down Jerome Av to 86 St on the Lexington Av Line, 6. then back up Pelham 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted July 27, 2022 Share #221 Posted July 27, 2022 They need to do Broadway line concurrently with 6th ave making a big operational mistake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted July 27, 2022 Share #222 Posted July 27, 2022 16 hours ago, darkstar8983 said: hahaha hilarious. I assume you're really young then. I'll probably be in the ground Im not that young lol im 52 with 21 years down here.. #FourMoreYears. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted July 27, 2022 Share #223 Posted July 27, 2022 On 7/25/2022 at 10:19 PM, darkstar8983 said: Actually all they did now is shift the issue to Broadway. If Broadway shits the bed (as you say), the can get rerouted via 6 Av, but the (assuming the is still running in the future) will be f**ked. And with the trains stuck unable to go into Manhattan due to no other lines being able to accommodate the SMEE cars, trains will get stuck in Brooklyn (Prospect Park for the and at either 36 St or Atlantic Av Barclays Center for the ). And yes, Lexington has to be done in tandem with 7 Av, but in my opinion, Broadway and 6th Av should have been done simultaneously, order enough R211 cars to just finish off all the old cars to prevent this catastrophe. Its one thing when there's only one trunk line where SMEE cars cannot run on (Queens Blvd), but its something else when now the SMEE cars CAN ONLY RUN on one trunk line (in this case, Broadway), because the NTT cars can run in fixed-block territory, but SMEEs cannot run in CBTC territory. And if the older cars are retrofitted with modernized signaling, then might as well keep the R68s on the , shift R160s from Jamaica to Coney Island, and give Jamaica / Pitkin / 207 St the R211s for the . You saying all of this bullshit because you want techs on the , Stop it. They can turn trains around at Jay St and at Atlantic ave. And SMEEs can Run on CBTC lines since the block signals will still be there, It's just less signals and more apart. 6th ave is being done because they will have the oldest signals in the system by the time CBTC work would start since they are IND original signals. On 7/26/2022 at 2:58 AM, Daniel The Cool said: Actually the R142/R142As were already planned on being CBTC Compatible for the Lexington Avenue CBTC when that project was announced a few years ago. With Lexington ave CBTC being delayed, Those R142s might retire instead of being converted either half or the whole fleet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted July 27, 2022 Share #224 Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) They are not gonna retire the R142s this soon, they would rebuild them to be CBTC compatible before they would retire them. The R262 order would need to be like 2,000 cars to replace the R62/62A and R142s. No way the TA orders a fleet that large. Edited July 27, 2022 by trainfan22 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted July 28, 2022 Share #225 Posted July 28, 2022 5 hours ago, R32 3838 said: You saying all of this bullshit because you want techs on the , Stop it. They can turn trains around at Jay St and at Atlantic ave. And SMEEs can Run on CBTC lines since the block signals will still be there, It's just less signals and more apart. 6th ave is being done because they will have the oldest signals in the system by the time CBTC work would start since they are IND original signals. With Lexington ave CBTC being delayed, Those R142s might retire instead of being converted either half or the whole fleet. To answer your comments since it is clear you LOVE to hate on me and annoy me to no end. 1. The should have never lost its tech trains. Ubers are getting expensive when it rains and now have to come up with a winter contingency plan to get around since it will be too cold to bike or wait on subway platforms waiting for what might be a one-off R160 that may show up on the . I am purposely saying this explicitly just to annoy you this time. 2. You saying that SMEEs trains CAN run in CBTC territory but just that the signals are super far apart is like saying they can’t run in those territories because then it will be a huge detriment to the lines that normally run on those lines because now they have to be careful to not strike a SMEE train that might not get detected by the signal system. I don’t know about this comment 100% regarding the provisions for non CBTC trains running in these areas. 3. Turning trains around midway in Brooklyn is like sticking a giant middle finger up at them saying “oh well, that’s what you get for living along the or any like that runs alongside it. Also don’t forget about the UES people. You’d have to close 2 Av stations whenever there’s the tiniest hiccup because you’d cut off their access to midtown and really anywhere when there’s a problem. 4. I’m not saying DONT do 6th Av. I’m saying - might as well do the whole B division central business district in one go and get it over with, because you’re going to screw certain riders (clearly you don’t like people that live along 2 Av, Brighton, 4 Av, or Astoria) 5. It might be the case that the R142s might retire, it might not be. And similar to how I suggested just doing the whole B division in one fell swoop, when it comes to Lexington Av, might as well do 7th Av Express right away due to the issues @ Roger’s Av Junction, unless you propose dropping the and train or de-interlining to the point that Livonia loses 7th Av service and Nostrand loses Lexington Av service 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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