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Via Garibaldi 8 Posted May 19, 2017 Share #2 Posted May 19, 2017 This is disgusting. They're only doing this crap to serve the Upper East Side. Before the ran via 2nd Avenue, service was crappy on the (the schedules may have said one thing, but the reality was another), and now they can suddenly pump up the frequencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboy515 Posted May 19, 2017 Share #3 Posted May 19, 2017 Aren't the headways good enough already? In the morning at Kings Highway in the span of 15 minutes 3 trains pass and only 1 . I was specifically waiting for the . Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted May 19, 2017 Share #4 Posted May 19, 2017 @ VG8: If the trains are crowded, shouldn't more service be added to that line? @ Tonyboy515: It's in the opposite direction of the Brooklyn peak direction (the AM increase is towards Coney Island, and the PM increase is Manhattan-bound). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted May 19, 2017 Share #5 Posted May 19, 2017 @ VG8: If the trains are crowded, shouldn't more service be added to that line? The trains were crowded prior to SAS and they didn't give a crap. Now suddenly that the runs via SAS, the service is MUCH better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted May 19, 2017 Share #6 Posted May 19, 2017 @vg8 Astoria (and sharing it with the N) limited the number of Q trains that could've been added. Trust me, Astoria can be a madhouse with trains literally in and out Sent from my LGLS755 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted May 19, 2017 Share #7 Posted May 19, 2017 @vg8 Astoria (and sharing it with the N) limited the number of Q trains that could've been added. Trust me, Astoria can be a madhouse with trains literally in and out Sent from my LGLS755 using Tapatalk Forget about added service. I just always felt that the trains didn't come as frequently as the schedule said. Now that the train runs via SAS, it seems to be a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted May 19, 2017 Share #8 Posted May 19, 2017 @vg8 Astoria (and sharing it with the N) limited the number of Q trains that could've been added. Trust me, Astoria can be a madhouse with trains literally in and out Sent from my LGLS755 using Tapatalk exactly, not to mention the merge with the and at 34th, and the again at Prince southbound or DeKalb northbound prior to the coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted May 19, 2017 Share #9 Posted May 19, 2017 This is good to because by the time this happens, They'll have more cars since by then the R179 should officially be in service by then to free up more cars (Jamaica sends CIY more R160's while pitkin gives Jamaica more R46's) similar to what they did in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted May 19, 2017 Share #10 Posted May 19, 2017 I'm with VG8... people complained about poor headways and got "we can't do anything to fix it" but now that the UES gets a new line more trains are to be sent there to relieve crush loads? What about riders north of 125 that have to wait for three trains to pass before they can fit, or riders in Brooklyn waiting 8-10 minutes during AM peak and still having to contort awkwardly to fit in an overcrowded train? Why does UES get more equipment when they have an alternative three blocks away ( ) when others who could use more service don't? Gubernatorial campaign donors live on the UES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted May 19, 2017 Share #11 Posted May 19, 2017 I'm with VG8... people complained about poor headways and got "we can't do anything to fix it" but now that the UES gets a new line more trains are to be sent there to relieve crush loads? What about riders north of 125 that have to wait for three trains to pass before they can fit, or riders in Brooklyn waiting 8-10 minutes during AM peak and still having to contort awkwardly to fit in an overcrowded train? Why does UES get more equipment when they have an alternative three blocks away ( ) when others who could use more service don't? Gubernatorial campaign donors live on the UES. How does this all fit in with car availability with Yards to be assigned? Did CI have a few trains to spare for the ? Are there enough cars to go around for the or the per say? Just wondering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted May 19, 2017 Share #12 Posted May 19, 2017 What about riders north of 125 that have to wait for three trains to pass before they can fit where are you getting this from? I never see anyone being left behind at 207th, Dyckman, 190th, 181st and 175th on the , not even in the morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 19, 2017 Share #13 Posted May 19, 2017 I'm with VG8... people complained about poor headways and got "we can't do anything to fix it" but now that the UES gets a new line more trains are to be sent there to relieve crush loads? What about riders north of 125 that have to wait for three trains to pass before they can fit, or riders in Brooklyn waiting 8-10 minutes during AM peak and still having to contort awkwardly to fit in an overcrowded train? Why does UES get more equipment when they have an alternative three blocks away ( ) when others who could use more service don't? Gubernatorial campaign donors live on the UES. 1. The B division is currently in the midst of a car shortage that probably won't be fully fixed until the R211s get here. 2. The 2010-2016 service pattern with all those insane merges and the sharing a terminal with limited capacity prevented the from increasing service on any of those three lines. Not everything is a conspiracy, and these two additional trips are not just for the UES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveRock Posted May 19, 2017 Share #14 Posted May 19, 2017 I mean, the UES also added a bunch of new riders, and as the only train traveling along the SAS route, it makes sense that it'd have lower headways than when it went to Astoria, a route shared with the ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 19, 2017 Share #15 Posted May 19, 2017 How does this all fit in with car availability with Yards to be assigned? Did CI have a few trains to spare for the ? Are there enough cars to go around for the or the per say? Just wondering The B division is in the midst of a car shortage because they got scrap happy in 2010 when the R160 options came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted May 19, 2017 Share #16 Posted May 19, 2017 This schedule change seems to primarily benifit SAS riders, and reverse commute riders. Going into Midtown AM, going to 96/2 PM. Trains from Brighton are equally crowded and I could say the MTA didn't do nothing about that till SAS. Weekend service was even worse on the before SAS. Everyone along Broadway knows that on the weekend, it's better just to take the local instead of waiting for the . Now it's much better... MTA certainly are picky when it comes to where service improvements should happen (def not buses) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Train Master Posted May 19, 2017 Share #17 Posted May 19, 2017 where are you getting this from? I never see anyone being left behind at 207th, Dyckman, 190th, 181st and 175th on the , not even in the morning I can tell you don't ride the or used to north of 125th but during the rush as early as 6 or even 630 the is light between 207th & 168th then from 168 south good luck getting on at 145th and 125th. Especially the southend of the in the morning the exits/entrances are near the front like 207th, 168th, 145th.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted May 20, 2017 Share #18 Posted May 20, 2017 1. The B division is currently in the midst of a car shortage that probably won't be fully fixed until the R211s get here. 2. The 2010-2016 service pattern with all those insane merges and the sharing a terminal with limited capacity prevented the from increasing service on any of those three lines. Not everything is a conspiracy, and these two additional trips are not just for the UES. No one said it was a conspiracy. In fact there is no conspiracy. What I was getting at was how the didn't give a damn about the crowded trains prior to the running via 2nd Avenue. Looking at the schedule, the was supposed to run at least every 10 minutes, yet I found myself waiting much longer than that numerous times. Now I notice that since the line runs via 2nd Avenue, the trains are more in line with the schedule. There's something to be said about that especially given the times that I was taking the train (early Saturday mornings going to Brooklyn from Midtown - no excuse why service should be so poor since there shouldn't be train traffic, etc). Not a conspiracy. Just more like the not giving a damn about the outer boroughs.This schedule change seems to primarily benifit SAS riders, and reverse commute riders. Going into Midtown AM, going to 96/2 PM. Trains from Brighton are equally crowded and I could say the MTA didn't do nothing about that till SAS. Weekend service was even worse on the before SAS. Everyone along Broadway knows that on the weekend, it's better just to take the local instead of waiting for the . Now it's much better... MTA certainly are picky when it comes to where service improvements should happen (def not buses)You are saying exactly what I noticed taking the on weekends before it started running via 2nd Avenue. Trains were few and far in between despite what the schedule said. Wasn't always that way either. I remember not that long ago, the was much better on weekends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboy515 Posted May 20, 2017 Share #19 Posted May 20, 2017 @ VG8: If the trains are crowded, shouldn't more service be added to that line? @ Tonyboy515: It's in the opposite direction of the Brooklyn peak direction (the AM increase is towards Coney Island, and the PM increase is Manhattan-bound). Aaah, now I agree about that. There's literally no on the Coney Island side for at least 15 minutes. I'd rather use the B49 than the if I'm going there. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak706 Posted May 20, 2017 Share #20 Posted May 20, 2017 where are you getting this from? I never see anyone being left behind at 207th, Dyckman, 190th, 181st and 175th on the , not even in the morningHah...well I was this morning.I can tell you don't ride the or used to north of 125th but during the rush as early as 6 or even 630 the is light between 207th & 168th then from 168 south good luck getting on at 145th and 125th. Especially the southend of the in the morning the exits/entrances are near the front like 207th, 168th, 145th....Yeah 145 is crazy at the south end. And as for 207 to 168 it really picks up between about 7 and 8:30. I use 181 and it can get to the point where people don't fit onto the platform and have to wait on the staircases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog14 Posted May 20, 2017 Share #21 Posted May 20, 2017 No one said it was a conspiracy. In fact there is no conspiracy. What I was getting at was how the didn't give a damn about the crowded trains prior to the running via 2nd Avenue. Looking at the schedule, the was supposed to run at least every 10 minutes, yet I found myself waiting much longer than that numerous times. Now I notice that since the line runs via 2nd Avenue, the trains are more in line with the schedule. There's something to be said about that especially given the times that I was taking the train (early Saturday mornings going to Brooklyn from Midtown - no excuse why service should be so poor since there shouldn't be train traffic, etc). Not a conspiracy. Just more like the not giving a damn about the outer boroughs. You are saying exactly what I noticed taking the on weekends before it started running via 2nd Avenue. Trains were few and far in between despite what the schedule said. Wasn't always that way either. I remember not that long ago, the was much better on weekends. Prior to the opening of SAS there were several factors hogging down the service. 1. The had to merge with it not once, but twice. Just after Canal and before 42nd st. Astoria also regularly causes conga lines that we now see with the being there. We also have the metal happy, power sucking dekalb interlocking throwing hammers into the mix further minimizing the ability to increase service (it's one reason why B service isn't up to snuff with say the headway wise along CPW) On the weekends when the line was cutback to 57st you still had the merging with it north of Canal The now doesn't haven't to deal with those conga lines in Astoria because the terminal allows much faster arrival speeds and it also doesn't have to merge with the at 42. The demise of the is probably what has caused service to seem irregular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted May 20, 2017 Share #22 Posted May 20, 2017 The increase is quite minor so I wouldn't make a big deal of it however I've always had the sense that the MTA shows favortism towards the UES. How in the wealthiest neighborhood in the country does every single subway and local bus service running through it have high frequencies? That doesn't sound right given the transportation culture in the US. The combine for 2 minute peak headways, the has 2-3 minute peak headways, the M79, 86 and 96 all have peak headways under 5 minutes, the M15 SBS has 3 minute headways in the AM, M101/102/103 combine for good headways and you have the load of bus service along Madison/5th. With all of that the MTA still finds a way to throw in an extra in each direction to benefit UES commuters more than Brighton ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted May 20, 2017 Share #23 Posted May 20, 2017 Not to go off-topic but, how was the Lexington Av line before the SAS line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted May 20, 2017 Share #24 Posted May 20, 2017 @ VG8: If the trains are crowded, shouldn't more service be added to that line? @ Tonyboy515: It's in the opposite direction of the Brooklyn peak direction (the AM increase is towards Coney Island, and the PM increase is Manhattan-bound). The trains were crowded prior to SAS and they didn't give a crap. Now suddenly that the runs via SAS, the service is MUCH better.... I'm with VG8... people complained about poor headways and got "we can't do anything to fix it" but now that the UES gets a new line more trains are to be sent there to relieve crush loads? What about riders north of 125 that have to wait for three trains to pass before they can fit, or riders in Brooklyn waiting 8-10 minutes during AM peak and still having to contort awkwardly to fit in an overcrowded train? Why does UES get more equipment when they have an alternative three blocks away ( ) when others who could use more service don't? Gubernatorial campaign donors live on the UES. Welcome to the UES, arguably THE most densely populated area of the entire country. This was supposed to take pressure off the , which I believe is the most overcrowded line of the entire system (as well as the and lines). This is one of the reasons why I proposed the increase of service actually being a split into and , with the going Metropolitan-96th/2nd as a 24/7 line (5 TPH Weekdays, 3 TPH Late Nights, 6-9 TPH Weekends depending on needs during the shutdown). 1. The B division is currently in the midst of a car shortage that probably won't be fully fixed until the R211s get here. 2. The 2010-2016 service pattern with all those insane merges and the sharing a terminal with limited capacity prevented the MTA from increasing service on any of those three lines. Not everything is a conspiracy, and these two additional trips are not just for the UES. What hurt here was not realizing the R44s would need to be scrapped. Had that not happened, then perhaps we would not be having this issue. I mean, the UES also added a bunch of new riders, and as the only train traveling along the SAS route, it makes sense that it'd have lower headways than when it went to Astoria, a route shared with the ... Another factor overlooked. Previously, the was a supplement going north, now, its a main line. The B division is in the midst of a car shortage because they got scrap happy in 2010 when the R160 options came in. As noted above, that had more to do with the unexpected scrapping of the R44s and not keeping enough from the other car classes (R38s and R40s and R42s) to compensate for that). If they had kept some of the other older classes to allow for the R44 scraping (or done a better job so they would NOT have had to scrap the R44s in the first place), then this likely is NOT an issue now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted May 20, 2017 Share #25 Posted May 20, 2017 @Wallyhorse not again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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