paulbyron Posted February 27, 2020 Share #8676 Posted February 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, Jova42R said: What street would be best to get from Seaman to Bway? Because that around-the-Allen Hospital bridge won't hold 2 tracks. Would it just be better to make that tunnel into a 4 track line, and run s via the MNR line, then enter the ? I think that the best option is to do nothing; service is fine as-is. But if the had major repairs needed, for example, it could probably just be cut back to 207 or 215 and your plan could go ahead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted February 27, 2020 Share #8677 Posted February 27, 2020 Just now, paulbyron said: I think that the best option is to do nothing; service is fine as-is. But if the had major repairs needed, for example, it could probably just be cut back to 207 or 215 and your plan could go ahead. True. Could there be a light rail along a similar route? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted February 27, 2020 Share #8678 Posted February 27, 2020 LIGHT RAIL LINE Lower Montauk Local / Queensboro Bridge / York Av Local / 96 St Crosstown Lower Montauk Express / Queensboro Bridge / York Av Local / 96 St Crosstown stops are bolded s stop at all stops 96 St/Broadway CPW Madison Av Lexington Av 2 Av via York Av 91 St 86 St 79 St 72 St 65 St 60 St 57 St-1 Av Queensboro Plaza via the el, then connecting to the Lower Montauk Branch Court Sq Greenpoint Av Haberman - 43 St 49 St Maspeth Av Grand Av Flushing Av 60 St Fresh Pond Rd 73 St Atlas Park - 80 St 88 St Woodhaven Blvd Union Tpke 84 Av 121 St via the LIRR line to a new platform at Jamaica LIRR Thoughts? @paulbyron @T to Dyre Avenue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbyron Posted February 27, 2020 Share #8679 Posted February 27, 2020 17 hours ago, Jova42R said: True. Could there be a light rail along a similar route? I think light rail runs into most of the same problems, unless it were to run on streets, in which case why bother? 6 minutes ago, Jova42R said: LIGHT RAIL LINE Lower Montauk Local / Queensboro Bridge / York Av Local / 96 St Crosstown Lower Montauk Express / Queensboro Bridge / York Av Local / 96 St Crosstown stops are bolded s stop at all stops 96 St/Broadway CPW Madison Av Lexington Av 2 Av via York Av 91 St 86 St 79 St 72 St 65 St 60 St 57 St-1 Av Queensboro Plaza via the el, then connecting to the Lower Montauk Branch Court Sq Greenpoint Av Haberman - 43 St 49 St Maspeth Av Grand Av Flushing Av 60 St Fresh Pond Rd 73 St Atlas Park - 80 St 88 St Woodhaven Blvd Union Tpke 84 Av 121 St via the LIRR line to a new platform at Jamaica LIRR Thoughts? @paulbyron @T to Dyre Avenue I think the part where it runs via the is impossible. I think a lot of this is good, but why not terminate in Midtown and skip York/96 (or build as separate lines)? Also, IIRC, the Lower Montauk Branch is still used for the odd freight train. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted February 28, 2020 Share #8680 Posted February 28, 2020 3 hours ago, paulbyron said: I think light rail runs into most of the same problems, unless it were to run on streets, in which case why bother? I think the part where it runs via the is impossible. I think a lot of this is good, but why not terminate in Midtown and skip York/96 (or build as separate lines)? Also, IIRC, the Lower Montauk Branch is still used for the odd freight train. Why is it impossible to run on the ? Freight runs at night, this would not run overnight 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbyron Posted February 28, 2020 Share #8681 Posted February 28, 2020 34 minutes ago, Jova42R said: Why is it impossible to run on the ? Freight runs at night, this would not run overnight It would be capacity-constraining for both lines if it were on the same tracks, and there would be no space to make the el wider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted February 28, 2020 Share #8682 Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 6 Av Local / 2 Av Local / Ditmars Blvd Local Bergen St (Lower Level) during rush hours, s would terminate at Jay St due to s running through Bergen St Jay St York St E Bway Delancey-Essex 2 Av Bway-Laffayette W4 St 14 St PATH 23 St PATH 34 St 42 St 47-50 Sts 57 St 63 St-Lex Av 72 St 86 St 96 St through a new viaduct to the Wards Island Bridge, which would become a rail bridge Wards Island via a new viaduct across Wards Island to a new bridge to Astoria 21 St - Ditmars Blvd on a new viaduct along Ditmars track connections to the at 31 St 31 St Steinway St 45 St Hazen St Astoria Heights - 73 St LGA Terminal A M60+SBS+ LGA Terminal B M60+SBS+ Q70+SBS+ LGA Terminals C/D M60+SBS+ Q70+SBS+ Thoughts? Edited February 28, 2020 by Jova42R 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted February 28, 2020 Share #8683 Posted February 28, 2020 Just now, paulbyron said: It would be capacity-constraining for both lines if it were on the same tracks, and there would be no space to make the el wider. Oh, I didn't know. In that case why not run it via the track during the non-rush with its own station at Van Dam St, then splitting off. Also, its possible to run trains just via surface streets to the Greenpoint Av Station. Thoughts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbyron Posted February 28, 2020 Share #8684 Posted February 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jova42R said: Oh, I didn't know. In that case why not run it via the track during the non-rush with its own station at Van Dam St, then splitting off. Also, its possible to run trains just via surface streets to the Greenpoint Av Station. Thoughts? I think it would have to run on surface streets. Also, the is only one track; you'd need 2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted February 28, 2020 Share #8685 Posted February 28, 2020 On 2/25/2020 at 8:43 PM, Jova42R said: Extension of : 207 St (current terminal) new tunnel under Bway 215 St Under Harlem River Then above ground onto the Putnam Branch 229 St 234 St 240 St Van Cortlandt Park - 248 St this would be a new station in the park, with a new elevated bridge to Broadway splits to Getty Sq Branch here 253 St new station on top of HH Pkwy, bridge to Bway after this station, the line goes on a new elevated viaduct Mosholu Av 261 St termination station, new yard in VC Park, switches south of station Also under this plan, the would be rerouted 215 St 225 St new viaduct over the MNR line Spuyten Duyvil via a new viaduct to Kappock St via new viaduct over HH Pkwy 232 St 239 St 246 St 252 St termination station, yard would still be 240th, switches north of 239th station to the yard. Thoughts? @Union Tpke wasn't this proposed before? As much as I’d love to see rail on the long-gone New York Central Putnam Line, including its even-longer gone Getty Square Branch to Downtown Yonkers, this extension of the would make for one super-long line, with a record number of stops during overnight hours. I can’t think of any T/O or conductor who’d want to pick the if it ran in four boroughs, especially to/from the Rockaways. 21 hours ago, Jova42R said: 6 Av Local / 2 Av Local / Ditmars Blvd Local Bergen St (Lower Level) during rush hours, s would terminate at Jay St due to s running through Bergen St Jay St York St E Bway Delancey-Essex 2 Av Bway-Laffayette W4 St 14 St PATH 23 St PATH 34 St 42 St 47-50 Sts 57 St 63 St-Lex Av 72 St 86 St 96 St through a new viaduct to the Wards Island Bridge, which would become a rail bridge Wards Island via a new viaduct across Wards Island to a new bridge to Astoria 21 St - Ditmars Blvd on a new viaduct along Ditmars track connections to the at 31 St 31 St Steinway St 45 St Hazen St Astoria Heights - 73 St LGA Terminal A M60+SBS+ LGA Terminal B M60+SBS+ Q70+SBS+ LGA Terminals C/D M60+SBS+ Q70+SBS+ Thoughts? ————————————————————- How frequently would this be able to run? I imagine not very, given all the reverse branching/interlining going on with the in Brooklyn, the on 6th Avenue and the Q on 2nd. And how would you even be able to turn this V at Jay during rush hours with the F running through there (and on the outside tracks, no less)? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted March 6, 2020 Share #8686 Posted March 6, 2020 I heard that once they do WSA on the Hudson line, they might make a tram from the station to 116th Any insight on this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted March 8, 2020 Share #8687 Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) This could be branded as a subway (the ) or a new LIRR Line: Riverdale MNR (terminates on side track, reactivated) via the Amtrak West Side Line Inwood - Dyckman St walk to 177 St (enter from Haven Av) 158 St walk to 125 St walk to 96 St (tunnel to Broadway) 83 St 75 St 62 St 48 St 41 St Penn Station LIRR Amtrak through a new junction to the Lower Montauk Branch Greenpoint Av Haberman 48 St Maspeth Av Flushing Av Eliot Av Metropolitan Av Glendale - 73 St Atlas Park - 80 St 88 St Union Tpke Park Ln S 121 St Jamaica LIRR Thoughts? Edited March 8, 2020 by Jova42R 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32-DTrain Posted March 9, 2020 Share #8688 Posted March 9, 2020 21 hours ago, Jova42R said: This could be branded as a subway (the ) or a new LIRR Line: Riverdale MNR (terminates on side track, reactivated) via the Amtrak West Side Line Inwood - Dyckman St walk to 177 St (enter from Haven Av) 158 St walk to 125 St walk to 96 St (tunnel to Broadway) 83 St 75 St 62 St 48 St 41 St Penn Station LIRR Amtrak through a new junction to the Lower Montauk Branch Greenpoint Av Haberman 48 St Maspeth Av Flushing Av Eliot Av Metropolitan Av Glendale - 73 St Atlas Park - 80 St 88 St Union Tpke Park Ln S 121 St Jamaica LIRR Thoughts? I think this could work, but I think you should ax the 41 St station, and move the 48 St station to 53rd. Also, does the Freedom Tunnel have room for these stations (especially 96th, 83rd, 75th, and 62nd?) As well, are you thinking of quadruple-tracking the northern part of the tunnel and/or double-tracking the southern single-tracked part? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted March 11, 2020 Share #8689 Posted March 11, 2020 On 3/8/2020 at 12:01 PM, Jova42R said: This could be branded as a subway (the ) or a new LIRR Line: Riverdale MNR (terminates on side track, reactivated) via the Amtrak West Side Line Inwood - Dyckman St walk to 177 St (enter from Haven Av) 158 St walk to 125 St walk to 96 St (tunnel to Broadway) 83 St 75 St 62 St 48 St 41 St Penn Station LIRR Amtrak through a new junction to the Lower Montauk Branch Greenpoint Av Haberman 48 St Maspeth Av Flushing Av Eliot Av Metropolitan Av Glendale - 73 St Atlas Park - 80 St 88 St Union Tpke Park Ln S 121 St Jamaica LIRR Thoughts? Population density too low, with little prospect of densification. Let's serve places with more people first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted March 11, 2020 Share #8690 Posted March 11, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 10:54 PM, T to Dyre Avenue said: As for the , you’d never be able to get away with running all ’s express between Church and Bergen. Look at all we went through just to get the two morning and evening ’s we have now. How much congestion would it cause to run to Coney Island, and end at Kings Hwy, or run like interlined buses where turns into at either terminal and vice versa? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted March 11, 2020 Share #8691 Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Deucey said: How much congestion would it cause to run to Coney Island, and end at Kings Hwy, or run like interlined buses where turns into at either terminal and vice versa? Probably a lot, because turning 15 tph worth of trains on the single middle track at Kings Highway would be a lot. interlining would be possible, but only if they all terminated at the same terminal at one end (like at Coney Island). But I don’t think the platform at Coney Island would be able to turn all that service. They already can’t turn all trains there during rush due to how far away the crossover switches are from the station. Edited March 11, 2020 by T to Dyre Avenue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznit1987 Posted March 11, 2020 Share #8692 Posted March 11, 2020 This is my to Manhattan plan plus QB Bypass: The Plan: After Greenpoint Ave, a 2 track tunnel is built under the East River around India St which brings the in at 23rd st. The route runs down 23rd st then turns up Fifth Ave before then going back under the East River to Queens @ 61st. Also, the tunnel under 61st is 4 tracks (like 63rd st) because underneath the will be the train as well. Once in Queens, the route follows along 41st Rd and Queens Plaza before making it's first stop at Queens Plaza (transfer to ) then runs under the LIRR ROW until reaching Queens Blvd where it turns to run under QB until Jamaica Ave, where it turns to a new terminus @ Jamaica Ave and Merrick Blvd. Also, Woodhaven Blvd will be turned into an express stop along the existing QB subway as well. The Rationale: The Queens subway network is overloaded, and adding 4 additional tracks (two pairs) between Queens and Manhattan adds necessary capacity to the system. We achieve de-interlining with the , , , and never sharing infrastructure throughout their journey thru Queens and into Manhattan. Each line has it's own tracks. Crowds should be balanced, with both the and serving prime destinations and the 's express-63rd St combo being matched by the 's local-53rd St offering. Along with this, by running the into Manhattan from Brooklyn, we will relieve pressure off the and provide for more growth in Greenpoint/Williamsburg/Bed Stuy. An additional benefit to this plan is adding subway service along Fifth Ave, which is right in the heart of the Midtown CBD and major tourist corridor. Now, instead of cramming either the or trains, Queens riders have a new way to reach the East Side. Finally, this plan will provide significant relief to the . With passengers able to catch their beloved Broadway service, as well as a new Fifth Ave service for East Side access, at Woodside, this will help ease crowding on the Sunnyside portion of the line. Service Patterns: 179st-Hillside to WTC via QB Local->53rd st->8th Ave (20tph) 179st-Hillside to CI via QB express->63rd St->6th Ave (30tph) Church Ave to Jamaica-Merrick via Culver->Crosstown->23rd St->5th Ave->61st Tunnel->QB Bypass (30tph) Current Route (15tph) Current Route (15tph) Whitehall St/City Hall LL to Jamaica-Merrick via Broadway Local -> 61st Tunnel -> QB Bypass (30tph) Metropolitan Ave to Bay Ridge via Nassau and 4th Ave Local Stations: First Ave & 23rd St (Access to Bellevue and Tisch Hospitals) Fifth Ave & 23rd St (Transfer to , Madison Sq Park) Fifth Ave & 34th St (ESB) Fifth Ave & 42nd St-Bryant Park (Transfer to ) Fifth Ave & 50th St (Rockefeller Ctr, Transfer to ) Fifth Ave & 59th St (Transfer to ) Lex & 61st (transfer to ) Queens Plaza (Transfer to ) Woodside-61st (Transfer to and LIRR) Woodhaven Blvd-Queens Center (Transfer to ) Forest Hills-71st Ave (Transfer to ) Jamaica-Van Wyck Jamaica-Sutphin (Transfer to and LIRR) Jamaica-Parsons (Transfer to ) Jamaica-Merrick 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted March 12, 2020 Share #8693 Posted March 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, shiznit1987 said: This is my to Manhattan plan plus QB Bypass: (post shortened as to not bloat the thread) If the goal here is to connect Crosstown to Manhattan, then I'd propose the following: SERVICE PATTERNS 8 Av Express all s run Culver Express, QBL Local, terminates at Jamaica-Parsons Archer becomes runs to Astoria runs to 96th starts at 2 Av, then runs via QBL Local to 179th see below FLEET ROSTER R160, R211 R160, R211 R46 R46, R68/A, R160 R46 R160, R211 R160, R211 R46, R68 WEEKEND CHANGES runs to 168 St on the LATE NIGHT CHANGES No Culver Local / Crosstown Local / Williamsburg Bridge / 5 Av Local / 63 St Express / QBL Express Church Av All stops until Broadway Broadway walk to New tunnel under S. 5 St Marcy Av B44 SBS B46 SBS via the abandoned trolley trackway on the Willy B or the pedestrian path, then into the abandoned trolley terminal Delancey-Essex (trolley terminal) via Chrystie St Connection Broadway-Laffayette curves off under Thompson St to a new viaduct over 5 Av Washington Square Park walk to 16 St 23 St 30 St 37 St 42 St 48 St underground to the 63rd Street Line under Park Av Lex-63 (new lower level) under the LIRR ROW, then merging with the Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Av Woodhaven Blvd Q52 SBS Q53 SBS Forest Hills-71 Av Kew Gardens-Union Tpke Parsons Blvd 179 St Would this be good @shiznit1987@T to Dyre Avenue@Deucey@paulbyron? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted March 12, 2020 Share #8694 Posted March 12, 2020 @Jova42R: : S 5th St abuts the Willy B, so you’d end up destroying buildings on S 4th and 3rd, along with the Willy B bus plaza to build the loop and junction to the Jamaica Line - not to mention having to install supports for the Willy B for the tunnel to get to S 5th St. That junction would look a lot like the Harlem River Drive to Triboro Bridge ramp: 19 minutes ago, Jova42R said: SERVICE PATTERNS 8 Av Express all s run Culver Express, QBL Local, terminates at Jamaica-Parsons Archer becomes runs to Astoria runs to 96th starts at 2 Av, then runs via QBL Local to 179th When so much of S Williamsburg residents take to Flatiron, making them switch to at Essex/Delancey from would crowd already crowded trains alongside trains, which would free up slots on 6th Av from no more , but would ruin QBL with being local with and - the latter of which would ruin 6th Av since it would delay local on 6th Av. If capacity weren’t an issue, and you brought back , you could run to 96th St, but that gives a service gap on QBL Express to 179th - which I would think could be tolerable for two reasons: already has two terminals so NBD, and already has lower frequencies because service requirements - but I don’t live in Queens on the so I can’t make that user-level judgment. Also, because Culver is three-track, and has to go somewhere, you have to solve where terminate without a conga line causing QBL Local style problems - since terminating it before 7th Av, it carries air after Bergen St. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted March 12, 2020 Share #8695 Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jova42R said: If the goal here is to connect Crosstown to Manhattan, then I'd propose the following: SERVICE PATTERNS 8 Av Express all s run Culver Express, QBL Local, terminates at Jamaica-Parsons Archer becomes runs to Astoria runs to 96th starts at 2 Av, then runs via QBL Local to 179th see below Let me just say that I’m not a fan of bringing back the or . The current and services are popular and convenient and there is really no good reason to return the M to Nassau St/4th Avenue or the Q to 6th Avenue. Not unless there’s some kind of long-term work on the Manny B or the Willy B that would prevent the M from going to 6th Avenue or the Q to Broadway. And what’s going to serve the Brighton local stops if the Q is on 6th Avenue? Is the current not being discontinued? Wouldn’t it be confusing to have both and services? The service you’re proposing will be of very limited use. It’s basically the train (so why not call it the ?), but extended to 179th. And why send the to Jamaica Center? Edited March 12, 2020 by T to Dyre Avenue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznit1987 Posted March 12, 2020 Share #8696 Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Jova42R said: Quote If the goal here is to connect Crosstown to Manhattan, then I'd propose the following: SERVICE PATTERNS 8 Av Express all s run Culver Express, QBL Local, terminates at Jamaica-Parsons Archer becomes runs to Astoria runs to 96th starts at 2 Av, then runs via QBL Local to 179th see below The issues with the service pattern are: 1) you sever QB from Broadway. That connection is extremely important, so much so people will ride the local all the way to places like Woodhaven/63rd Dr just to be on the . I live along QB so I know. 2) What is serving Brighton if there is now a ? This undoes the Manhattan Bridge planning from the 2000s. Quote Culver Local / Crosstown Local / Williamsburg Bridge / 5 Av Local / 63 St Express / QBL Express Church Av All stops until Broadway Broadway walk to New tunnel under S. 5 St Marcy Av B44 SBS B46 SBS via the abandoned trolley trackway on the Willy B or the pedestrian path, then into the abandoned trolley terminal Delancey-Essex (trolley terminal) via Chrystie St Connection Broadway-Laffayette curves off under Thompson St to a new viaduct over 5 Av Washington Square Park walk to 16 St 23 St 30 St 37 St 42 St 48 St underground to the 63rd Street Line under Park Av Lex-63 (new lower level) under the LIRR ROW, then merging with the Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Av Woodhaven Blvd Q52 SBS Q53 SBS Forest Hills-71 Av Kew Gardens-Union Tpke Parsons Blvd 179 St Would this be good @shiznit1987@T to Dyre Avenue@Deucey@paulbyron? The issues with the are 1) Does it share the Crosstown with the or replace it? 2) Going over the WillyB ceases to help get crowds off the 3) Merging it with the means you've added zero new Queens capacity even with a new tunnel. Plus de-interlining remains unaccomplished. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted March 12, 2020 Share #8697 Posted March 12, 2020 13 hours ago, shiznit1987 said: 1) you sever QB from Broadway. That connection is extremely important, so much so people will ride the local all the way to places like Woodhaven/63rd Dr just to be on the . I live along QB so I know. 6th Avenue and Broadway run one block apart in most cases, so it’s all a matter of an extra walk to a nearby station. More specially: Queens Plaza: 21st Street-Queensbridge Lexington Avenue-59th Street: Lexington Avenue-63rd Street 5th Avenue-59th Street: 57th Street-6th Avenue 57th Street-7th Avenue: 57th Street-6th Avenue 49th Street: 47th-50th Street - Rockefeller Center Times Square-42nd Street: 42nd Street-Bryant Park 34th Street-Herald Square: 34th Street-Herald Sq on 6th Avenue platforms 28th Street: 34th Street-Herlad Square 23rd Street: 23rd Street/6th Avenue 14th Street-Union Square: 14th Street/6th Avenue 8th Street-NYU: West 4th Street Prince Street: Broadway Lafayette Street Canal Street: Transfer to the at Broadway-Lafayette Street for service to nearby Grand Street. City Hall: Transfer at Essex Street for service to Chambers Street Cortlandt Street: Transfer at Essex Street for service to Fulton Street Rector Street: Transfer at Essex Street for service to Broadway Street Whitehall Street: Transfer at Essex Street for service to Broad Street For Lexington Avenue express service, an alternative is to transfer at Lexington Avenue-63rd Street for express service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted March 12, 2020 Share #8698 Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said: 28th Street: 34th Street-Herlad Square I’ve walked that. Not too bad. 1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said: 14th Street-Union Square: 14th Street/6th Avenue 8th Street-NYU: West 4th Street This is 2 avenue blocks away. I’d rather take the across 14 Street if I’m trying to get across there. 1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said: Canal Street: Transfer to the at Broadway-Lafayette Street for service to nearby Grand Street. I’d rather have a connection with the at Broadway–Lafayette Street. I use that often rather than walking if weather isn’t that great. On cold mornings when I’m full of energy and not carrying anything, I sprint. 1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said: Lexington Avenue-59th Street: Lexington Avenue-63rd Street If the elevators/ecalators are down… the stairs are a nightmare. They easily add an avenue block distance of walking just to get between the platform and the surface. That the Lexington Avenue–63 Street station is usable only on the condition that the elevators/escalators are functioning is the single factor that makes me opposed to deep-bored stations. 1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said: Queens Plaza: 21st Street-Queensbridge I’ve never walked this distance, but the stations are probably more than 2 avenue blocks apart. It’s easily 1 local station worth of distance away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted March 12, 2020 Share #8699 Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, CenSin said: If the elevators/escalators are down… the stairs are a nightmare. They easily add an avenue block distance of walking just to get between the platform and the surface. That the Lexington Avenue–63 Street station is usable only on the condition that the elevators/escalators are functioning is the single factor that makes me opposed to deep-bored stations. THIS. What I still can't get over is how took the already-built provisions for the eastern exit at Third Avenue and destroyed them to make 3rd/63rd elevator only. Since opening, there's been a few times when more than one of those elevators was out of service; makes trying to get to or from the platform a nightmare. Time spent waiting could've been spent taking the escalators or the stairs... oh wait that's right, they f**king demolished them... Edited March 12, 2020 by R10 2952 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted March 12, 2020 Share #8700 Posted March 12, 2020 51 minutes ago, R10 2952 said: THIS. What I still can't get over is how took the already-built provisions for the eastern exit at Third Avenue and destroyed them to make 3rd/63rd elevator only. Since opening, there's been a few times when more than one of those elevators was out of service; makes trying to get to or from the platform a nightmare. Time spent waiting could've been spent taking the escalators or the stairs... oh wait that's right, they f**king demolished them... Lexington Avenue proper is not that far away. I'd be more concerned about accessibility there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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