RR503 Posted August 25, 2019 Share #8176 Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Around the Horn said: Frankly you could say this for any merge in this system which is why I personally believe removing as many as possible from the regular service patterns is paramount. I agree. A system where a little poke in the right place can bring entire rush hours crashing down is unsustainable. Our service patterns need to stand up to our operating environment — especially in key areas like Rogers. Edited August 25, 2019 by RR503 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 25, 2019 Share #8177 Posted August 25, 2019 5 Av/6 Av Local 161 St-Yankee Stadium runs via 5 av 143 St 135 St 125 St 116 St 110 St 102 St 96 St 90 St 84 St 79 St 72 St 65 St 5 Av/59 St 5 Av/53 St 47-50 Sts 42 St 34 St 23 St 14 St W4 St Bway-Laffayette Grand St DeKalb Av Atlantic Av 7 Av Prospect Park Church Av runs via Church av Coney Island Av Church Av/McDonald Av runs via 14 av 44 St 51 St 62 St 70 St 77 St 86 St/14 Av 12 Av 7 Av 4 Av Ridge Blvd Shore Rd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 25, 2019 Share #8178 Posted August 25, 2019 8 Av Exp Fort Totten runs via 14 av 162 St 154 St 149 St Parsons Blvd 137 St College Point Blvd runs via College Point Blvd 25 Av 31 Av Flushing-Main St runs via Northern Blvd 114 St 108 St 101 St 94 St 87 St 81 St 75 St 69 St Broadway/Northern Blvd 46 St Stienway St runs via 36 av 37 St 31 St/36 Av 21 St 11 St Roosevelt Island North (seperate station from the ) runs via 72 St York Av 2 Av/72 St Lexington Av 5 Av CPW/70 St 59 St-Columbus Circle 42 St (connection to Times Sq) 34 St 14 St W4 St Canal St Chambers St Fulton St High St Jay St Hoyt-Schemerhorn Atlantic Av 36 St runs via 8 Av 44 St 50 St 55 St 63 St/8 Av 70 St 78 St/8 Av runs via 79 St 11 Av 13 Av 15 Av 17 Av/79 St 19 Av 21 Av 23 Av runs via Avenue S W 13 St W 8 St Avenue U Coney Island 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 27, 2019 Share #8179 Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) BOTH PROPOSALS LIST THE OTHER PROPOSAL AT TRANSFER POINTS Pink (Y) 72 St 66 St/Freedom Pl runs via 10 av 57 St 51 St 42 St Hudson Yards 28 St 23 St 16 St - Chelsea Market runs via Washington St Bethune St Christopher St 8 St PATH Houston St Laight St Chambers St/West St Brookfield Place Thames St South Ferry Red Hook (Verona St/Van Brunt St) Smith-9 Sts 4 Av-9 St Prospect Av 25 St 36 St runs via 8 av 44 St 50 St 55 St 63 St 73 St 80 St/7 Av 86 St runs via 86 St 10 Av 12 Av 14 Av 16 Av 18 Av 20 Av Bay Pkwy 25 Av Bay 50 St Coney Island 8 St Christopher St/Washington St (X) PATH Sheridan Sq W4 St runs via 8 St 5 Av Astor Pl - build connection to 2 Av Avenue A Avenue C Houston St/Avenue C Delancey St/Pitt St E. Bway Edited August 27, 2019 by New Flyer Xcelsior 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 29, 2019 Share #8180 Posted August 29, 2019 Northern Blvd/10 Av Lcl Fort Totten runs via 14 av 162 St 154 St 149 St Parsons Blvd 137 St College Point Blvd runs via College Point Blvd 25 Av 31 Av Flushing-Main St runs via Northern Blvd 114 St 108 St 101 St 94 St 87 St 81 St 75 St 69 St Broadway/Northern Blvd 46 St Stienway St runs via 36 av 37 St 31 St/36 Av 21 St 11 St Roosevelt Island North (seperate station from the ) runs via 72 St York Av 2 Av/72 St Lexington Av 5 Av CPW/72 St 72 St/Bway 66 St/Freedom Pl runs via 10 Av 57 St 50 St 42 St Hudson Yards 28 St 23 St 16 St - Chelsea Market runs via Washington St Bethune St Christopher St PATH Houston St Laight St Chambers St/West St Brookfield Place Thames St South Ferry BBP Pier 6 Warren St/Court St Union St/Smith St - build a connection to Carroll St/Bond St Union St/4 Av 3 St/6 Av 7 Av 15 St-Prospect Park 20 St/Mcdonald Av Fort Hamilton Pkwy/Chester Av Fort Hamilton Pkwy/39 St Fort Hamilton Pkwy/44 St runs via 11 Av 52 St 57 St 63 St - build a connection to 68 St 75 St 81 St 86 St/11 Av runs via 86 St 14 Av 16 Av 18 Av 20 Av Bay Pkwy 25 Av Coney Island 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted August 29, 2019 Share #8181 Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, New Flyer Xcelsior said: Northern Blvd/10 Av Lcl Fort Totten runs via 14 av 162 St 154 St 149 St Parsons Blvd 137 St College Point Blvd runs via College Point Blvd 25 Av 31 Av Flushing-Main St runs via Northern Blvd 114 St 108 St 101 St 94 St 87 St 81 St 75 St 69 St Broadway/Northern Blvd 46 St Stienway St runs via 36 av 37 St 31 St/36 Av 21 St 11 St Roosevelt Island North (seperate station from the ) runs via 72 St York Av 2 Av/72 St Speaking of Northern Blvd, this proposal is alright. (Ignoring everything south of 72nd Street.) The one thing i don't agree with is running your northern Blvd under Broadway and 36th Street. I don't see how that is feasible. Personally what I would do is Have a Northern Blvd Line that connects via Second Avenue. I labeled my Northern Blvd Line as (H). Here's how it will be run: Whitestone-Francis Lewis Blvd 149th Street Parsons Blvd/14th Avenue (Turns via the Whitestone Expressway) 20th Avenue 25th Avenue College Point Blvd (Enters a portal near Willets Point Blvd then turns under Northern Blvd) 108th Street Junction Blvd 81st Street 70th Street Broadway 48th Street/Sunnnyside (West of this Station, there will be a junction for a Queens Bypass Branch) (Runs Under Sunnyside Yards and turns under Queens Plaza South) Queens Plaza. This station will serve as a connection point for the 2 existing Queens Plaza Stations Trains will run under a tunnel to 57th Street. In my map I have it turning under 3rd Avenue to provide better connections to the and Trains at 53rd Street. After this, Trains will turn to Second Avenue around 48th Street. The Benefits of this proposal is the ability to have a more Flexible Bus Network and more Service into Queens. Edited August 29, 2019 by LaGuardia Link N Tra 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 29, 2019 Share #8182 Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: Speaking of Northern Blvd, this proposal is alright. (Ignoring everything south of 72nd Street.) The one thing i don't agree with is running your northern Blvd under Broadway and 36th Street. I don't see how that is feasible. Personally what I would do is Have a Northern Blvd Line that connects via Second Avenue. I labeled my Northern Blvd Line as (H). Here's how it will be run: Whitestone-Francis Lewis Blvd 149th Street Parsons Blvd/14th Avenue (Turns via the Whitestone Expressway) 20th Avenue 25th Avenue College Point Blvd (Enters a portal near Willets Point Blvd then turns under Northern Blvd) 108th Street Junction Blvd 81st Street 70th Street Broadway 48th Street/Sunnnyside (West of this Station, there will be a junction for a Queens Bypass Branch) (Runs Under Sunnyside Yards and turns under Queens Plaza South) Queens Plaza. This station will serve as a connection point for the 2 existing Queens Plaza Stations Trains will run under a tunnel to 57th Street. In my map I have it turning under 3rd Avenue to provide better connections to the and Trains at 53rd Street. After this, Trains will turn to Second Avenue around 48th Street. The Benefits of this proposal is the ability to have a more Flexible Bus Network and more Service into Queens. My would also serve 10 av, an underserved area Edited August 29, 2019 by Jova42R 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted August 29, 2019 Share #8183 Posted August 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Jova42R said: My would also serve 10 av, an underserved area I see that. But wouldn't it be better to extend the Instead? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 29, 2019 Share #8184 Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: I see that. But wouldn't it be better to extend the Instead? revised plan and extension Fort Totten runs via 14 av 162 St 154 St 149 St Parsons Blvd 137 St College Point Blvd runs via College Point Blvd 25 Av 31 Av Flushing-Main St runs via Northern Blvd 114 St 108 St 101 St 94 St 87 St 81 St 75 St 69 St Broadway/Northern Blvd 46 St Stienway St runs via 36 av 37 St 31 St/36 Av 21 St 11 St Roosevelt Island North (seperate station from the ) runs via 72 St York Av 2 Av/72 St Lexington Av Madison Av runs via Madison av 65 St 59 St - build connection to 53 St - build connection to runs via 5 av 48 St 42 St/5 Av 37 St 30 St 23 St 17 St 11 St Washington Sq Park W4 St extension from Canarsie 8 Av runs via 10 av 16 St 23 St 28 St Hudson Yards 42 St 50 St 57 St 66 St/Freedom Pl 72 St CPW/72 St Madison Av Lexington Av 2 Av/72 St 86 St/2 Av 96 St/2 Av 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 31, 2019 Share #8185 Posted August 31, 2019 Mid-Queens Line 72 St 68 St/Freedom Pl runs via 11 av 57 St 50 St 42 St Hudson Yards 7-8 Avs - Penn Station Herald Sq Park Av 2 Av 34 St Ferry Terminal Vernon-Jackson runs via 48 Av 30 St 39 St 48 St Maurice Av/Borden Av Fresh Pond Rd/60 Av Fresh Pond Rd/Metropolitan Av runs via Metropolitan Av Middle Village-Metropolitan Av (69 St) 75 St 80 St Woodhaven Blvd 71 Av Union Tpke Lefferts Blvd 125 St Jamaica-Van Wyck Supthin-Archer Jamaica Center 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 31, 2019 Share #8186 Posted August 31, 2019 Mid-Queens Line 72 St 68 St/Freedom Pl runs via 11 av 57 St 50 St 42 St Hudson Yards 7-8 Avs - Penn Station Herald Sq Park Av 2 Av 34 St Ferry Terminal Vernon-Jackson runs via 48 Av 30 St 39 St 48 St Maurice Av/Borden Av Fresh Pond Rd/60 Av Fresh Pond Rd/Metropolitan Av runs via Metropolitan Av Middle Village-Metropolitan Av (69 St) 75 St 80 St Woodhaven Blvd 71 Av Union Tpke Lefferts Blvd 125 St Jamaica-Van Wyck Supthin-Archer Jamaica Center 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted August 31, 2019 Share #8187 Posted August 31, 2019 New Propsoal: Queens Super-Express As part of my Queens Transit Redesign Proposal that I'm working on, I included the Queens Bypass on it which I labeled as . My Bypass train will run from Jamaica-179th Street to Houston Street/2nd Avenue. (Phase 3 Terminal). Now due to the fact that my Bypass Train Merges/Diverges with my Northern Blvd Proposal (Which I explained in a Previous Post in this Thread), it's overall capacity might be limited to 15TPH or a little less depending on Demand between Queens Blvd and Northern Blvd. Stops will go as Follows: Jamaica-179th Street - (Q3 to JFK) 169th Street - (Q3 to JFK) Parsons Blvd - Sutphin Blvd Briarwood-Van Wyck Kew Gardens-Union Tpke - (Q10 to JFK) 75th Avenue Forest Hills-71st Avenue - ( if Queens is deinterlined); Obviously the will utilize a Lower Level at Forest Hills. I Think this will either some GIANT Island Platform or 2 Side Platforms for Super Express Trains. (From this Point Forward, my version of the Super Express will NOT make nor have any Stops until Queens Plaza. I don't see any space for there to be a stops at Woodside for Super Express Trains) I Remember finding a Thread from this Very Site from 2014 regarding the Queens Bypass. I read it, and @Lance, your comment intrigued me when I first read it, and I gotta say that the part in bold, I'm with you on that notion: Quote A bit of backstory is required on this track map. The design we see in this map is the second version of the bypass. The original as part of the '68 Program for Action was only one track for peak-direction express service from Jamaica and/or SE Queens. The MTA intended to run such a service during rush hours only. Besides the usual NIMBY-ism that was against the project altogether, there was community push-back, especially in Forest Hills, where they were trying to revitalize the area into something akin to a miniature Midtown. Community leaders wanted bi-directional, full-time service on the bypass (or at least all-day weekday service) to provide more service. Another thing to note is that this version of the super-express isn't one at all. With the stops at Woodside and Northern Blvd, this would be its own line. Back to the proposal: (Super Express Trains will come across this Junction that I proposed near 39th Street in Sunnyside. This is where they will merge with Northern Blvd Trains. Both Lines will do the following:) Queens Plaza - ; Super Express Trains and Northern Blvd Trains will share the same platform and Tracks Underneath Queens Plaza South. This station will be used as a Way to Connect the 2 Existing Queens Plaza Stations. Tunnels will continue out to 57th Street where trains will Turn under 3rd Avenue instead of Second for more effective connections with the and after this connection, trains will head back to 2nd Avenue near 48th Street. Tunnel Provisions will be left for a possible Trunk Line under Northern Blvd. Any Feedback on what I can improve to this proposal? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted September 1, 2019 Share #8188 Posted September 1, 2019 Rockaways-Manhattan Line B 116 St B 105 St B 98 St B 90 St Broad Channel JFK Airport Aqueduct Rockaway Blvd runs via 102 St 101 Av Atlantic Av Jamaica Av Myrtle Av-Forest Park Union Tpke Yellowstone Blvd/Kessel St 67 Av/Alderton St 63 Dr-Rego Park runs via Junction Blvd 57 Av Corona Av 44 Av Roosevelt Av 35 Av Northern Blvd runs via Northern Blvd 88 St 81 St 74 St 68 St Northern Blvd/Broadway runs via QBL 46 St Steinway St 36 St Queensboro Plaza runs via Queensboro Bridge 11 St Roosevelt Island (connection to ) 60 St/York Av runs via York Av 66 St 72 St 79 St 86 St 92 St runs via 96 St 2 Av Lexngton Av 5 Av CPW Broadway Riverside Park 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted September 6, 2019 Share #8189 Posted September 6, 2019 Riverdale-Manhattan Beach Wave Hill - 249 St runs via Riverdale Av 239 St Greystone Av 230 St 225 St runs via Kingsbridge Rd Sedgwick Av University Av runs via University Av Fordham Rd 183 St Burnside Av Tremont Av 175 St Ogden Av runs via Ogden Av 170 St 167 St 163 St Yankees-E 153 St MNR runs via 5 av 143 St (connection to ) 135 St 125 St 116 St 110 St 102 St 96 St 90 St 84 St 79 St 72 St runs via 72 St CPW/72 St Bway/72 St 66 St/Riverside Blvd runs via 10 av 57 St 49 St 42 St Hudson Yards 28 St 23 St 14-16 Sts - Chelsea Market runs via Washington St Gansevoort St Bank St Christopher St PATH Houston St Laight St Chambers St Brookfield Place Thames St South Ferry BBP Pier 6 Clinton/Atlantic Bergen St Douglass St/Bond St Bond St/Carroll St 4 Av-9 St 7 Av runs via 7 Av 13 St Prospect Av 23 St 5 Av/30 St runs via 8 Av 43 St 50 St 56 St 63 St/8 Av 70 St Bay Ridge Pkwy runs via Bay Ridge Pkwy 10 Av 12 Av 14 Av 16 Av 18 Av 20 Av Bay Pkwy runs via Avenue P W 6 St McDonald Av/Avenue P Ocean Pkwy Coney Island Av E 16 St/Kings Hwy Avenue U Neck Rd Sheepshead Bay runs via Oriental Blvd West End Av Ocean Av Jaffray St Manhattan Beach - Decatur Av 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted September 7, 2019 Share #8190 Posted September 7, 2019 On 8/31/2019 at 5:09 PM, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: New Propsoal: Queens Super-Express As part of my Queens Transit Redesign Proposal that I'm working on, I included the Queens Bypass on it which I labeled as . My Bypass train will run from Jamaica-179th Street to Houston Street/2nd Avenue. (Phase 3 Terminal). Now due to the fact that my Bypass Train Merges/Diverges with my Northern Blvd Proposal (Which I explained in a Previous Post in this Thread), it's overall capacity might be limited to 15TPH or a little less depending on Demand between Queens Blvd and Northern Blvd. Stops will go as Follows: Jamaica-179th Street - (Q3 to JFK) 169th Street - (Q3 to JFK) Parsons Blvd - Sutphin Blvd Briarwood-Van Wyck Kew Gardens-Union Tpke - (Q10 to JFK) 75th Avenue Forest Hills-71st Avenue - ( if Queens is deinterlined); Obviously the will utilize a Lower Level at Forest Hills. I Think this will either some GIANT Island Platform or 2 Side Platforms for Super Express Trains. (From this Point Forward, my version of the Super Express will NOT make nor have any Stops until Queens Plaza. I don't see any space for there to be a stops at Woodside for Super Express Trains) I Remember finding a Thread from this Very Site from 2014 regarding the Queens Bypass. I read it, and @Lance, your comment intrigued me when I first read it, and I gotta say that the part in bold, I'm with you on that notion: Back to the proposal: (Super Express Trains will come across this Junction that I proposed near 39th Street in Sunnyside. This is where they will merge with Northern Blvd Trains. Both Lines will do the following:) Queens Plaza - ; Super Express Trains and Northern Blvd Trains will share the same platform and Tracks Underneath Queens Plaza South. This station will be used as a Way to Connect the 2 Existing Queens Plaza Stations. Tunnels will continue out to 57th Street where trains will Turn under 3rd Avenue instead of Second for more effective connections with the and after this connection, trains will head back to 2nd Avenue near 48th Street. Tunnel Provisions will be left for a possible Trunk Line under Northern Blvd. Any Feedback on what I can improve to this proposal? Anytime someone proposes a Queens Super Express, I’m all ears. Because let’s be honest - it’s badly needed. Queens Blvd CBTC alone won’t solve all the of the line’s capacity issues. You don’t really need a connection with the at Lexington-53rd, because the V will already have connections with the at Union Turnpike, 71st Ave and Queens Plaza, and with the at those last two. As for uptown-bound riders, they should be able to transfer to the , which would parallel the . There may not be sufficient space for a V stop at Woodside, but there appears to be sufficient space for stops in Rego Park and at Woodhaven Blvd. Maybe have stops there to relieve the QBL locals at 63rd Drive and Woodhaven. Possibly Grand Avenue too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted September 7, 2019 Share #8191 Posted September 7, 2019 3 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: You don’t really need a connection with the at Lexington-53rd, because the V will already have connections with the at Union Turnpike, 71st Ave and Queens Plaza, and with the at those last two. As for uptown-bound riders, they should be able to transfer to the , which would parallel the . There may not be sufficient space for a V stop at Woodside, but there appears to be sufficient space for stops in Rego Park and at Woodhaven Blvd. Maybe have stops there to relieve the QBL locals at 63rd Drive and Woodhaven. Possibly Grand Avenue too. I guess that’s fair enough. The only reason why I have SAS Trains moved over to 3rd Avenue between 47th Street and Points North is in provision of a nonstop Express between Lexington 63rd and 125th for the . As for not adding any additional stops along the super Express between Queens Plaza and Forest Hills is because it would defeat the purpose of this line being , well, A Super-Express. What could happen is that this Super Express idea could start off as a line reroute. Later on, connections to a new SAS tunnel under 57th Street can come to fruition. I also want to incorporate a Northern Blvd Subway line in some way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted September 7, 2019 Share #8192 Posted September 7, 2019 3 hours ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: I also want to incorporate a Northern Blvd Subway line in some way. How about doing that in the form of a extension? Since the Queens Blvd Line is already at capacity, a new subway under Northern Blvd in Queens would be a great way to not only having the serve Queens, but better serve East Elmhurst and Corona also relieve crowding to the line and Q32 bus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted September 7, 2019 Share #8193 Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, JeremiahC99 said: How about doing that in the form of a extension? Since the Queens Blvd Line is already at capacity, a new subway under Northern Blvd in Queens would be a great way to not only having the serve Queens, but better serve East Elmhurst and Corona also relieve crowding to the line and Q32 bus. Well, I could do that. But then I’d be forced to make changes such as Permanently Deinterlining QBL in order for it to work. Edited September 7, 2019 by LaGuardia Link N Tra 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted September 8, 2019 Share #8194 Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: Well, I could do that. But then I’d be forced to make changes such as Permanently Deinterlining QBL in order for it to work. That is true that you would have to deinterline the QBL. That is also part of my grand master plan of improving subway system capacity and efficiency, and believe it or not, my grand master plan is called the New Program for Action (named after the original Program for Action from 1968-1975). The New Program for Action seeks to build new connections in Manhattan and Brooklyn (the Nassau-8th Avenue connection and the Whitehall-Fulton Tunnel, which I discusses before) and several extensions in the boroughs to increase capacity and provide subway service to areas to places that currently do not have subway access, just like what the original one aimed to do. Bus service would be integrated into the subway plans as well. Anyway, I plan to make the via Northern work by constructing two new tunnels connecting the local tracks to the planned super-express bypass from the 63rd Street. The tack layout of the connection would look something like this (credits to Vanshnookenragen): However, I would plan to make several switches if the tunnel layout allows. The one change I would make is replacing the double crossover on the northbound side with a single switch from the northbound local to the express. The switch from the express to local track, seen in orange, would be moved to the point where the express track merges with the middle pocket track. This would allow for services switching from the express to the local track to do so without interfering with crosstown service. I am also proposing similar changes to the southbound side as well (though this is not set). As for services, this would involve removing the from the Queens Blvd Line not only to make room for the , but also be able to increase Queens capacity and improve reliability on the , since everyone here has said that the on Queens Blvd affects the reliability of the line, and as an occasional rider myself, coupled with the fact that I have friends who live long the line, I agree. I will get to that part once I post the grand plan, which will come at a later date. From here, the would have the northbound local track all to itself. If the possible layout changes on the SB side are also feasible, then both local tracks would be available. At this point, the would merge onto the super express line with the service from 63rd Street slated to use the bypass. The two would run together, and stop at a new station at 39th Street. This would serve Sunnyside, and possibly absorb crowds from the 40th Street station. From this point, the line would run via Northern Blvd, though how to do it is unclear, especially with the wide width of the street itself. Since the link between the 39th Street stop and Northern Blvd would be via the commuter tracks, finding a place to make a tunnel would be challenging. On another hand, an elevated structure could be possibly feasible (and do note I am proposing a modern structure, like the 1988 ramp carrying / service between the Archer Subway and Jamaica Av El), but could face backlash from residents. If the line were to also continue to Flushing, then the elevated could also interfere with the Flushing Line (if extended in that direction) and the Grand Central Pkwy. It is for these reasons why I have not included the Northern Blvd Line in my master plan. Do you have any opinions on what I should do for Northern Blvd)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68OnBroadway Posted September 8, 2019 Share #8195 Posted September 8, 2019 I swear people are too obsessed with sending the into eastern Queens- furthest it should go with a new extension is QBP or Queensbridge... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted September 8, 2019 Share #8196 Posted September 8, 2019 40 minutes ago, R68OnBroadway said: I swear people are too obsessed with sending the into eastern Queens- furthest it should go with a new extension is QBP or Queensbridge... I just bought up an extension along Northern Blvd because having a subway line over there (in this case the ) would better serve neighborhoods like Sunnyside, Woodside, Jackson Heights, East Elmhurst, etc. Currently, the only subways through this area are the and the Queens Blvd IND and . Both of those corridors are currently at capacity. In addition, the corridor is served only by a single bus line, which is the Q66. However, the Q66, while a popular route, is somewhat an indirect route for those going from Queens Plaza to anywhere on the Northern Blvd corridor, since it first has to go through 21st Street-Queensbridge and the neighborhood of Astoria before even entering Woodside, and keep in mind that this piece was added in 1989 (before then, the bus line terminated at 51st Street in Woodside). With the extension along Northern, residents in the neighborhoods along the Q66 corridor would now have direct subway service to LIC and eventually, Brooklyn. The bus line would remain unaltered to continue serving the local communities. Since the would also stop at Queens Plaza and 39th Street as well, they can also access to Manhattan as well. For passengers on area bus routes that cross Northern Blvd, this means that they would now have more subway options aside from the Flushing and Queens Blvd Lines, especially if going to LIC, Manhattan and Brooklyn. For Q32 passengers at the end of the line at 82nd and Northern (where one of the planned stops will be), they can now a better option to Manhattan than sitting on a bus in traffic over the Queensboro Bridge. This could possibly make the Q32 on 81st/82nd Street longer necessary. Also as a result of the new subway, the crowding on the Flushing and Queens Blvd Subway would be reduced. The popular Q70 LaGuardia Link would not be able to stop at Northern Blvd due to the alignment of the BQE. The bus route would continue to serve the Queens Blvd Line and the LIRR, but the lowered crowds could make the crowd conditions more tolerable for airport riders. Unfortunately, this change, while beneficial to the local communities, can not be done without implementing other drastic changes, such as the Queens bypass (where the line will feed into), and changing the service patterns of the Queens Blvd Line (especially the notoriously unreliable ). How the actual line on Northern should be built is also in debate (elevated or underground via a tunnel portal. Each have benefits worth considering). For these reasons, any extension of the may not be included in my "New Program for Action" plan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted September 8, 2019 Share #8197 Posted September 8, 2019 Late, but I have to say that I'm no fan of that bypass. Manhattan may be important, but the intent behind it is to provide a separate route for some amount of peak service between Jamaica and Midtown. It has absolutely no scope beyond that, which becomes especially apparent with those nonstop variants. I refuse to support such a massive undertaking with absolutely no potential for meaningful improvement outside of maybe getting a few more trains in Manhattan during the peaks out of it. TL;DR: It's too Manhattan-centric for its own good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted September 8, 2019 Share #8198 Posted September 8, 2019 Just now, Lex said: Late, but I have to say that I'm no fan of that bypass. Manhattan may be important, but the intent behind it is to provide a separate route for some amount of peak service between Jamaica and Midtown. It has absolutely no scope beyond that, which becomes especially apparent with those nonstop variants. I refuse to support such a massive undertaking with absolutely no potential for meaningful improvement outside of maybe getting a few more trains in Manhattan during the peaks out of it. TL;DR: It's too Manhattan-centric for its own good. That Queens bypass is also meant to relieve crowding on the Queens Blvd Line and speed travel times for passengers going from SE and Central Queens to Manhattan and eventually Brooklyn if a planned Northern Blvd stop is built with a transfer to Queens Plaza. The proposal goes back to 1968. Would you rather continue to have slower service between Southeast Queens and Midtown or provide a faster ride in between, which will benefit a lot of people? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted September 8, 2019 Share #8199 Posted September 8, 2019 3 hours ago, JeremiahC99 said: At this point, the would merge onto the super express line with the service from 63rd Street slated to use the bypass. The two would run together, and stop at a new station at 39th Street. This would serve Sunnyside, and possibly absorb crowds from the 40th Street station. From this point, the line would run via Northern Blvd, though how to do it is unclear, especially with the wide width of the street itself. Since the link between the 39th Street stop and Northern Blvd would be via the commuter tracks, finding a place to make a tunnel would be challenging. On another hand, an elevated structure could be possibly feasible (and do note I am proposing a modern structure, like the 1988 ramp carrying / service between the Archer Subway and Jamaica Av El), but could face backlash from residents. If the line were to also continue to Flushing, then the elevated could also interfere with the Flushing Line (if extended in that direction) and the Grand Central Pkwy. It is for these reasons why I have not included the Northern Blvd Line in my master plan. Do you have any opinions on what I should do for Northern Blvd)? Not that this is the most important objection to this plan, but you can't easily branch 63. Pretty sure the provision left at the 63 St connector in '01 is for a flat junction, ie all 63 St trains have to run via Bypass. Even if you could branch, though, do you not see how branching 63 basically forces you to keep all of Queens interlined? I don't think you want that... I can totally see the argument for a line on Northern, but I neither think it should be the nor should it swoop down through the south end of the yards to siphon traffic away from a not-that-busy stop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted September 8, 2019 Share #8200 Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said: That Queens bypass is also meant to relieve crowding on the Queens Blvd Line and speed travel times for passengers going from SE and Central Queens to Manhattan and eventually Brooklyn if a planned Northern Blvd stop is built with a transfer to Queens Plaza. The proposal goes back to 1968. Would you rather continue to have slower service between Southeast Queens and Midtown or provide a faster ride in between, which will benefit a lot of people? A proper relief line will have a few intermediate stations in order to serve as both a boost to peak train throughput and a connector for points along it. The bypass allows for the former (great for Manhattan during the peaks) while eschewing the latter (little more than shit for Queens, the "beneficiary" of the damn thing). It's not like we're talking about a distance that is two miles or less, either. We're talking about crossing 1/3-1/2 of the entire borough without a single station to help the neighborhoods along the way in any capacity. That's not an efficient use of resources, just a pet project. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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