T to Dyre Avenue Posted August 2, 2019 Share #8026 Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) It's also just easier to sell the change as a rerouted/shortened in Manhattan and a extended to Brooklyn than the alternative I think so too. And I think the might have gotten away with de-interlining CPW in 1991 if they had renamed the proposed Inwood the A in a 6th Avenue orange circle. That’s what they did when they rerouted the to Metropolitan Ave, but renamed it . Edited August 2, 2019 by T to Dyre Avenue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 2, 2019 Share #8027 Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) Here is another batch of proposals: Make woodhaven blvd on QBL an express stop Create a crosstown on 59 St Create a LGA running from Astoria-Ditmars , through Laguardia Airport, to Jackson Heights - Roosevelt Av Create an opeating as follows: Kingsbridge Rd (build a passageway to Fordham Plaza Belmont - Arthur Av Bronx Zoo (Southern Blvd/Bronx Pk S) W Farms Sq 174 St/Bronx River Av Elder Av Morrison Av/Story Av Soundview Av/Randall Av Laguardia Airport Edited August 2, 2019 by New Flyer Xcelsior 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted August 2, 2019 Share #8028 Posted August 2, 2019 1 hour ago, New Flyer Xcelsior said: Here is another batch of proposals: Make woodhaven blvd on QBL an express stop yes. maybe. Create a crosstown on 59 St no, Create a LGA running from Astoria-Ditmars , through Laguardia Airport, to Jackson Heights - Roosevelt Av Just extend the and to LaGuardia and Call it a day. Create an opeating as follows: Kingsbridge Rd (build a passageway to Fordham Plaza Belmont - Arthur Av Bronx Zoo (Southern Blvd/Bronx Pk S) W Farms Sq 174 St/Bronx River Av Elder Av Morrison Av/Story Av Soundview Av/Randall Av Laguardia Airport Is this a crosstown Route? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 2, 2019 Share #8029 Posted August 2, 2019 the Bronx would be a connector to LGA. It would also serve as a connector to the Bronx Zoo from the trains, instead of only walking from the trains. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted August 2, 2019 Share #8030 Posted August 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, New Flyer Xcelsior said: the Bronx would be a connector to LGA. It would also serve as a connector to the Bronx Zoo from the trains, instead of only walking from the trains. I’m not sure who is asking for that but okay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 2, 2019 Share #8031 Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) Create a new IRT line—bullet pink (15A)/(15B) Woodlawn - 238 St Perry Av/Gun Hill Rd Norwood - 205 St Bedford Park Blvd/Webster Av (Botanical Garden) Fordham Plaza Fordham Rd/Grand Concourse Fordham Rd/Jerome Av Fordham Rd/University Av ***TRAINS SPLIT HERE*** (15A) trains: Fordham Rd/Sedgwick Av 207 St/10 Av Dyckman St/10 Av 193 St/Ft George Av 188 St/Amsterdam Av 181 St/Amsterdam Av 175 St/Amsterdam Av 168 St/Amsterdam Av 163 St/Amsterdam Av 155 St/Fredrick Douglass Blvd 148 St 145 St 135 St/5 Av ————————— (15B) trains: 183 St/University Av Burnside Av/University Av Tremont Av/University Av 174 St/University Av 170 St/Ogden Av 167 St/Ogden Av 164 St/Ogden Av Yankee Stadium 142 St/5 Av 135 St/5 Av ***TRAINS MERGE HERE*** 125 St/5 Av 116 St/5 Av 110 St/5 Av 102 St/5 Av 96 St/5 Av 89 St/5 Av 84 St/5 Av 79 St/5 Av 72 St/5 Av 65 St/5 Av (build a station at 63 St/5 Av, connect here) 59 St/5 Av 53 St/5 Av 48 St/5 Av 42 St/5 Av Run along line express to Junction Blvd 34 Av/Junction Blvd Astoria Blvd/Junction Blvd Laguardia Airport Edited August 2, 2019 by New Flyer Xcelsior 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayFan3000 Posted August 3, 2019 Share #8032 Posted August 3, 2019 13 hours ago, New Flyer Xcelsior said: Here is another batch of proposals: Make woodhaven blvd on QBL an express stop Create a crosstown on 59 St Create a LGA running from Astoria-Ditmars , through Laguardia Airport, to Jackson Heights - Roosevelt Av Create an opeating as follows: Kingsbridge Rd (build a passageway to Fordham Plaza Belmont - Arthur Av Bronx Zoo (Southern Blvd/Bronx Pk S) W Farms Sq 174 St/Bronx River Av Elder Av Morrison Av/Story Av Soundview Av/Randall Av Laguardia Airport Best option is to creat LGA running from Queens Plaza (Newly Constructed Queens Central like what Webeo Transportation did) via BQE and GCE to LaGuardia Airport and From Jackson Heights - Roosevelt Ave to LGA Airport. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shore El Express Posted August 4, 2019 Share #8033 Posted August 4, 2019 Some random idea I had (highly unethical, mostly just for fun) A Train extension North of Inwood-207 St via Broadway/Riverdale Avenue serving the West Bronx Manhattan 215 St-Brodway (1 Train) Marble Hill-225 St (1Train) The Bronx 235 St-Riverdale Avenue Bell Tower-Riverdale Avenue Hudson Pkwy-252 St 259 St-Skyview Complex 263 St-Mount St. Vincent College Westchester Radford-Riverdale Avenue Ludlow-Riverdale Avenue Vark St-Riverdale Avenue City of Yonkers-Prospect St Downtown Yonkers-Dock/Hudson 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwwnyc123 Posted August 4, 2019 Share #8034 Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) I always wanted the to serve Bronx extended after 207 St until like 231 St but then it will would duplicate the . Edited August 4, 2019 by bwwnyc123 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted August 7, 2019 Share #8035 Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) I modified a proposal of mine from last year, back to Deinterlining. - Here are the Infrastructure Upgrades for the A Division under my Proposal - Abandoned Platform at Bowling Green is repurposed and extended along with the Track and connect with the Current S/B Lexington Express Track. - Rogers Junction is Modified. Stays the Same at 24TPH Gets a TPH boost to 18 TPH Trains run at 12 TPH to New Lots, And eventually down Utica Avenue. Runs to Utica/New Lots At 12 TPH. Trains run to Utica at 17 TPH. Terminal Op’s will be modified at Bowling Green so that Trains short turning there can turn around faster. remains the same but receives 24 TPH. Stays the same. should find a way to modify CBTC operations so that the can operate at 36TPH once again (like how it used to in the 1960’s) The 42nd Street Shuttle gets upgraded as planned. The B Division will receive a few Infrastructure Upgrades: - Essex Street Expansion (Which has been discussed in the past) - 50th Street Upper Level Platform Expansion with Interlocking’s north of the Station - Myrtle Junction Rebuild. - Ditmars Interlocking rebuild. - Williamsburg Bridge, 36th Street/Qns And DeKalb Junction Re-signaled to allow for more trains. 168-Lefferts and the Rockaway’s. 18TPH. Trains run local along CPW then Express South of 50th. Weekends, trains will run Express north of 50th and up to Inwood like they currently do. Inwood 207th St - Brighton Beach. Trains run at 15 TPH. With 3 Trips to and from Coney Island. No trains during the weekends and overnight. Bedford Park Blvd/145th Street - Euclid Avenue. Trains run Express between 50th Street and Jay Street. 10 TPH Stays as is. Stays as is but is reduced to 12 TPH. (See ) Boosted to 18 TPH. This would be done to allow for 5 Limited Runs Along the Culver Express in both directions. Stays as is but is extended to 8 Cars And is boosted to 15 TPH. Stays as is. If you resignal the Williamsburg Bridge and Fix the bottleneck at Myrtle Junction, you should be able to gain an extra 2-5 TPH. New Service between Jamaica 179th - WTC. With only trains terminating at Forest Hills, this should allow Space for at least 3-5 more trains along the QB Local. This service will replace the 3 runs to 179th and allow for trains to Run Express past Forest Hills. Receive’s CBTC upgrades so that the line can be boosted to 26 TPH. trains will be rerouted via 63rd Street, but will continue to make Local runs in Queens. Service will run at 12 TPH with 2 short turns at 2nd Avenue. As previously mentioned, Resignaling the Williamsburg Bridge, Rebuilding Myrtle Junction in addition to Fixing the Terminal Op’s At Forest Hills should allow you to Squeeze a few more trains in. 96th Street to Coney Island via Sea Beach at 12 TPH. Resignalling Dekalb Junction should allow you to squeeze in more trains. 96th Street to Coney Island via Brighton. 14 TPH. Astoria - 95th at a combined 24TPH. 8 TPH; all ’s Will Short turn at Whitehall Street. Other trains in addition to trains will continue to Bay Ridge. An alternative option would be to have the serve Astoria/Broadway Lcl at 24TPH while having a Brown Serve Bay Ridge-Essex at 12 TPH. Franklin Avenue Shuttle remains the same. Any feedback would be appreciated! https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1WG4X7N_dfOIpUn7miABpHP6ysOE3pw9S Edited August 7, 2019 by LaGuardia Link N Tra 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted August 8, 2019 Share #8036 Posted August 8, 2019 Simplify the service pattern. It shouldn’t be local to 168 weekdays and express weekends. Is the local or express in Queens under this plan? It sounds to me like it’s local, in which case, I can see Hillside riders treating it the same way they did when the ran to/from 179 (from 1988-91). I prefer the alternate plan where the runs to/from Essex and the serves Astoria on its own. But you’d have to run considerably less than 36 tph on the and . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted August 8, 2019 Share #8037 Posted August 8, 2019 14 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: Simplify the service pattern. It shouldn’t be local to 168 weekdays and express weekends. Is the local or express in Queens under this plan? It sounds to me like it’s local, in which case, I can see Hillside riders treating it the same way they did when the ran to/from 179 (from 1988-91). I prefer the alternate plan where the runs to/from Essex and the serves Astoria on its own. But you’d have to run considerably less than 36 tph on the and . 1) The only reason I did that is because service under my proposal doesn’t run on weekends, and Inwood still needs some type of fast Service. You could deinterline Dekalb by having the via Brighton and via Sea Beach but I’m not going to propose that. 2) The is Local under my plan. It’s a Short Route in my Proposal. The only reason I have it going to Jamaica 179th instead of ending at Forest Hills is to kill 2 bottlenecks. trains will continue to end at Forest Hills under my plan but Terminal Op’s And Signals will be modified as to not hold trains outside in both directions. It’ll also allow for Express runs between Jamaica 179th and Forest Hills. 3) That’s Cool. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted August 8, 2019 Share #8038 Posted August 8, 2019 Swap the northern terminals of the ... Keep the express to Inwood and local to 168. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 via Mosholu Posted August 8, 2019 Share #8039 Posted August 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: It’ll also allow for Express runs between Jamaica 179th and Forest Hills. I don't understand why the train should go express from 179th Street - Jamaica to 71-Continental Avenues; I think you're aware that it never ran express along Hillside on weekends. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted August 8, 2019 Share #8040 Posted August 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, 4 via Mosholu said: I don't understand why the train should go express from 179th Street - Jamaica to 71-Continental Avenues; I think you're aware that it never ran express along Hillside on weekends. Its length is only beaten by the between Inwood and the Rockaways... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted August 9, 2019 Share #8041 Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) On 8/8/2019 at 1:42 PM, 4 via Mosholu said: I don't understand why the train should go express from 179th Street - Jamaica to 71-Continental Avenues; I think you're aware that it never ran express along Hillside on weekends. In my proposals where i build an extension from 179 the would be local and end at 179 and the would be express the would be routed via HHE Edited August 9, 2019 by BreeddekalbL 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drekroid Posted August 10, 2019 Share #8042 Posted August 10, 2019 Using the original Montreal Metro Map style to show a simpler network that would have better frequencies and less delays... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted August 10, 2019 Share #8043 Posted August 10, 2019 1 hour ago, drekroid said: Using the original Montreal Metro Map style to show a simpler network that would have better frequencies and less delays... Several things about this tell me that you're not familiar with the infrastructure as it currently exists. For one thing, the has to switch directly in the 's way just to turn at Utica Avenue. Another is the entire Broadway proposal. Then there's the attempt to split the between two branches in the Bronx while retaining a bastardized , which grossly overestimates the capabilities of the infrastructure in Brooklyn. I won't even get into some of the other problems with this... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drekroid Posted August 10, 2019 Share #8044 Posted August 10, 2019 8 hours ago, Lex said: Several things about this tell me that you're not familiar with the infrastructure as it currently exists. For one thing, the has to switch directly in the 's way just to turn at Utica Avenue. Another is the entire Broadway proposal. Then there's the attempt to split the between two branches in the Bronx while retaining a bastardized , which grossly overestimates the capabilities of the infrastructure in Brooklyn. I won't even get into some of the other problems with this... You're right, I'm no expert on the NYC system, just havin' fun here. For Utica, the in-service trains could be given priority over the out-of-service trains. I'm curious what your issue is with the Broadway proposal? You did not elaborate on that one. My proposal here is that runs express on Broadway, serves the 2nd Av branch, and uses the tunnel, while and run locally, and use the bridge. Additionally, would run express on 4th Av in Brooklyn. The proposed "bastardized" would run as often as each branch of the , meaning there would two trains for every train during the day, and at peak times it would be 3:1, with 18 TPH for the line, and 6 TPH for the . From my understanding, the infrastructure in Brooklyn can accommodate this. I would also like to know what other issues you see (I have some guesses). Cheers! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted August 10, 2019 Share #8045 Posted August 10, 2019 41 minutes ago, drekroid said: I'm curious what your issue is with the Broadway proposal? You did not elaborate on that one. My proposal here is that runs express on Broadway, serves the 2nd Av branch, and uses the tunnel, while and run locally, and use the bridge. Additionally, would run express on 4th Av in Brooklyn. Are you proposing the Canal flip Proposal? If you want to do that, then I recommend sending one of the Broadway services via Brighton. http://library.rpa.org/interactive/subways/ Where the Heck did the train go? Also, your proposal would work great if you sent it down Utica. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drekroid Posted August 10, 2019 Share #8046 Posted August 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: Are you proposing the Canal flip Proposal? If you want to do that, then I recommend sending one of the Broadway services via Brighton. http://library.rpa.org/interactive/subways/ Where the Heck did the train go? Also, your proposal would work great if you sent it down Utica. Yes, "Canal Flip".... 2nd Av / Broadway Express / Tunnel / 4th Av Local / Sea Beach Line Astoria / Broadway Local / Bridge / 4th Av Express / West End Line Queens Local / Broadway Local / Bridge / 4th Av Express As for the .... (yes gone), it is replaced by in The Bronx, and in Brooklyn. + would serve Brighton / 6th Av Express / Central Park W Local As for , I'm not proposing any new infrastructure here, (maybe some repairs here and there, i.e. Bergen). However there seems to be wasted capacity on the northern end of the , and an extension beyond Harlem to the Bronx (as originally planned) might also be a smart move. Thank you for your comments and the link -- the site is very impressive. Cheers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted August 10, 2019 Share #8047 Posted August 10, 2019 First, let me say that is a pretty nice map. I think it would be a good template to use for nighttime service. But to run the express in Brooklyn, you’d have to do two “flips”...the second one being at 59th Street/4th Avenue, because the express tracks are straight-railed for Sea Beach and the local tracks are straight-railed for Bay Ridge. Also, I find that the split and services in The Bronx, might be a bit confusing, especially the , whose two Bronx terminals are a long way off from each other. You’re going to have express and local trains crossing in front of each other at 125, which is inevitably going to cause massive delays there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drekroid Posted August 10, 2019 Share #8048 Posted August 10, 2019 33 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: First, let me say that is a pretty nice map. I think it would be a good template to use for nighttime service. But to run the express in Brooklyn, you’d have to do two “flips”...the second one being at 59th Street/4th Avenue, because the express tracks are straight-railed for Sea Beach and the local tracks are straight-railed for Bay Ridge. Also, I find that the split and services in The Bronx, might be a bit confusing, especially the , whose two Bronx terminals are a long way off from each other. You’re going to have express and local trains crossing in front of each other at 125, which is inevitably going to cause massive delays there. Thank you. NYC Subway maps are a fun challenge in my opinion. Yes, another flip at 59th for the proposed / . I do assume a flip causes less of a delay than a merge, since the 2-minute buffer between trains that is needed for merges are not needed for a flip. I'm guessing that a flip would cause at most a 1-minute delay for one of the trains if the two trains arrived simultaneously. terminals are quite far apart as well, so I'm not sure why the proposed splits for the and would be confusing when it is acceptable on the line. Please explain if you can. For 125th, the track maps show that this station was built to accommodate this type of traffic patter, where trains can flip without blocking each other. Here is what I see as possible: Thank you for your comments. Cheers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted August 10, 2019 Share #8049 Posted August 10, 2019 5 hours ago, drekroid said: Thank you. NYC Subway maps are a fun challenge in my opinion. Yes, another flip at 59th for the proposed / . I do assume a flip causes less of a delay than a merge, since the 2-minute buffer between trains that is needed for merges are not needed for a flip. I'm guessing that a flip would cause at most a 1-minute delay for one of the trains if the two trains arrived simultaneously. terminals are quite far apart as well, so I'm not sure why the proposed splits for the and would be confusing when it is acceptable on the line. Please explain if you can. For 125th, the track maps show that this station was built to accommodate this type of traffic patter, where trains can flip without blocking each other. Here is what I see as possible: Thank you for your comments. Cheers. I do like the idea of the replacing the to Pelham Bay Park and moving the elsewhere, but I would myself move the to Dyre in this scenario while using this switch to have three 24/7 lines on Lex. In the late nights I would have all three lines running local and set up so a train comes in on the Lex every 6-7 minutes. An alternate plan for late nights would be to have all three lines run 24/7 with the remaining express (but shortened to Grand Central as a short-turn express) while the and remain as they are now then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted August 10, 2019 Share #8050 Posted August 10, 2019 Interlining 125 Street is a non-starter. You would lose a massive amount of capacity and worsen service variability up and down Lex. There’s a reason it has never been done, even in the Good Old Days. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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