slantfan4281 Posted 11 hours ago Share #8701 Posted 11 hours ago 10 hours ago, R32 3838 said: One interesting thing about the capital program is that the R211's will also retire a portion of the R68 fleet (i'm not surprised at this at all) The option order II cars were supposed to be for fleet expansion but i guess not. I can see this changing though. Source, Page 86: https://new.mta.info/document/151266?fbclid=IwY2xjawFYXyFleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbj2CRgs9GICJFIpynbAky2-NzId_IH57BXbiakhDvYrbjFBvKsI-49eig_aem_HfgTjfy3uag-t4uBjtDX_g Honestly I think they should order a third option order if they can, even if the the whole early retirement fiasco for the R44s hadn't happened the delays in the R179s would have still been a problem. Better to get newer cars earlier than later 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade96 Posted 11 hours ago Share #8702 Posted 11 hours ago 2 minutes ago, slantfan4281 said: Honestly I think they should order a third option order if they can, even if the the whole early retirement fiasco for the R44s hadn't happened the delays in the R179s would have still been a problem. Better to get newer cars earlier than later there is no 3rd option 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted 11 hours ago Share #8703 Posted 11 hours ago For those guys who are hunting for an R211A train, keep an eye out. It might run today. Right now on one of the 168 St train trips and the consist is 4230-4234 / 4XXX-4XXX. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade96 Posted 11 hours ago Share #8704 Posted 11 hours ago theyre supposed to debut tomorrow but we'll see 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted 11 hours ago Share #8705 Posted 11 hours ago 11 hours ago, Comrade96 said: this is of course assuming the funding is there There is. Capital funding under certain contracts should ok, remember: lateness gets free cars, don’t that happens a lot? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted 10 hours ago Share #8706 Posted 10 hours ago 5 hours ago, NJFoamer114 said: Kinda surprised they completely shunned the 59th Street Junction (IND 8th) and the entire IRT [including Roger's Junction) from CBTC installation considering those corners cause heavy delays.. They weren’t shunned per say, but won’t be chosen until certain other projects get priority. The IRT as a whole (barring the Line) won’t get CBTC until the R-262 contract is well underway so that’ll take time. As for 59th on the other hand, 8th Avenue CBTC starts AT 59th-Columbus Circle and with 6th on the table as well, I think it’d make sense to account for the junction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaPr03 Posted 8 hours ago Share #8707 Posted 8 hours ago 2 hours ago, darkstar8983 said: For those guys who are hunting for an R211A train, keep an eye out. It might run today. Right now on one of the 168 St train trips and the consist is 4230-4234 / 4XXX-4XXX. That's a Rockaway Park tripper, no 211As debuted on the yet........................ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted 7 hours ago Share #8708 Posted 7 hours ago it would have to run on the first since it's a train first then it gets laid up at 207th and during the PM rush it's an to lefferts. They did this with the R32 set that was on the in the evenings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted 6 hours ago Share #8709 Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, DaPr03 said: That's a Rockaway Park tripper, no 211As debuted on the yet........................ oh okay. I thought the 168 St trips would change over from the to the for midday service, then switch back to the for the Rockaway Park trips out of 168 St. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted 5 hours ago Share #8710 Posted 5 hours ago 1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said: oh okay. I thought the 168 St trips would change over from the to the for midday service, then switch back to the for the Rockaway Park trips out of 168 St. Only the first PM To Rockaway Park which leaves 168 from the Track. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade96 Posted 4 hours ago Share #8711 Posted 4 hours ago I mean I did say their debut is TOMORROW not today, hopefully that still rings true 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slantfan4281 Posted 4 hours ago Share #8712 Posted 4 hours ago 7 hours ago, Comrade96 said: there is no 3rd option could they negotiate with Kawasaki for another one? If not maybe base the R268 on the R211 like how the R68As were R68s from a different manufacturer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade96 Posted 4 hours ago Share #8713 Posted 4 hours ago 29 minutes ago, slantfan4281 said: could they negotiate with Kawasaki for another one? If not maybe base the R268 on the R211 like how the R68As were R68s from a different manufacturer most likely not, I feel like that time frame came and went 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrainGamingKing9928 Posted 3 hours ago Share #8714 Posted 3 hours ago 33 minutes ago, slantfan4281 said: could they negotiate with Kawasaki for another one? If not maybe base the R268 on the R211 like how the R68As were R68s from a different manufacturer 3 minutes ago, Comrade96 said: most likely not, I feel like that time frame came and went R142A cars 7731-7810 were built under a supplemental contract between 2004 and 2005 to supplement the rest of the R142A's which were built between 1999 and 2002. In the unlikely event that the MTA chooses to negotiate with Kawasaki for another option, they would probably do something similar and order some additional R211's under a supplemental contract after OO2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subway guy Posted 3 hours ago Share #8715 Posted 3 hours ago 35 minutes ago, Comrade96 said: most likely not, I feel like that time frame came and went I read on Kawasaki's website that the base order was 535 cars, and the MTA exercised and ordered an additional 640 with a final option of 437. Are they exercising that final 437, which I assume will send a few sets to the B and D Line? Am I off? Thanks! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade96 Posted 3 hours ago Share #8716 Posted 3 hours ago 40 minutes ago, TrainGamingKing9928 said: R142A cars 7731-7810 were built under a supplemental contract between 2004 and 2005 to supplement the rest of the R142A's which were built between 1999 and 2002. In the unlikely event that the MTA chooses to negotiate with Kawasaki for another option, they would probably do something similar and order some additional R211's under a supplemental contract after OO2. yes but this is assuming kawasaki would be willing to do a supplemental contract 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slantfan4281 Posted 3 hours ago Share #8717 Posted 3 hours ago 1 minute ago, Comrade96 said: yes but this is assuming kawasaki would be willing to do a supplemental contract Maybe Hitachi would be willing to build them once they wrap up the WMATA cars in 2027. Assuming deliveries are the same pace, the entire base order will probably be in service by the end of the year, with options 1 and 2 done by middle to end of 2026 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade96 Posted 2 hours ago Share #8718 Posted 2 hours ago 16 minutes ago, slantfan4281 said: Maybe Hitachi would be willing to build them once they wrap up the WMATA cars in 2027. Assuming deliveries are the same pace, the entire base order will probably be in service by the end of the year, with options 1 and 2 done by middle to end of 2026 that is DEFINITELY not happening 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slantfan4281 Posted 2 hours ago Share #8719 Posted 2 hours ago 1 minute ago, Comrade96 said: that is DEFINITELY not happening The delivery schedule or getting Hitachi to make the cars 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade96 Posted 2 hours ago Share #8720 Posted 2 hours ago 4 minutes ago, slantfan4281 said: The delivery schedule or getting Hitachi to make the cars the Hitachi part 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slantfan4281 Posted 2 hours ago Share #8721 Posted 2 hours ago 1 minute ago, Comrade96 said: the Hitachi part Do you think they could get anyone to build a R268 based on the R211 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHmarc Posted 1 hour ago Share #8722 Posted 1 hour ago Alstom is begging for a bid for next contracts after not getting a part of the 211’s 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted 1 hour ago Share #8723 Posted 1 hour ago 7 minutes ago, MJHmarc said: Alstom is begging for a bid for next contracts after not getting a part of the 211’s they're likely going to get the R262 order unless it's split with Kawasaki like the R160 order. They can also get the R268 order too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted 1 hour ago Share #8724 Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 1 hour ago, Comrade96 said: the Hitachi part Plus, The cannot jump over anybody to get cars before another transit agency. After Washington Metrorail gets theirs, SEPTA is next in line to get 240 cars for the MFL. But assure, whoever comes up with the lowest bidder of the next cars, then the builder, whether it could be Alstom, Kawasaki or Hitachi one, unless if it’s 2 separated car orders, similarly to the R160 cars. Then 2 builders will do it with one having the lionshare. But let’s finish up the R211s. They’re nearly done with the base order and option 1 is on point. Edited 1 hour ago by FLX9304 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted 44 minutes ago Share #8725 Posted 44 minutes ago 1 hour ago, MJHmarc said: Alstom is begging for a bid for next contracts after not getting a part of the 211’s Who knows? Maybe they’ll even build the M9A’s. Heard NY state isn’t really happy with how the M9 order went and how the LIRR handled it too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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