R211 Discussion Thread

[slantfan4281]

10 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

One interesting thing about the capital program is that the R211's will also retire a portion of the R68 fleet (i'm not surprised at this at all)  The option order II cars were supposed to be for fleet expansion but i guess not. I can see this changing though.

 

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Honestly I think they should order a third option order if they can, even if the the whole early retirement fiasco for the R44s hadn't happened the delays in the R179s would have still been a problem. Better to get newer cars earlier than later

[Comrade96]

2 minutes ago, slantfan4281 said:

Honestly I think they should order a third option order if they can, even if the the whole early retirement fiasco for the R44s hadn't happened the delays in the R179s would have still been a problem. Better to get newer cars earlier than later

there is no 3rd option

[darkstar8983]

For those guys who are hunting for an R211A  train, keep an eye out. It might run today. Right now on one of the 168 St  train trips and the consist is 4230-4234 / 4XXX-4XXX.

[Comrade96]

theyre supposed to debut tomorrow but we'll see

[FLX9304]

11 hours ago, Comrade96 said:

this is of course assuming the funding is there

There is. Capital funding under certain contracts should ok, remember: lateness gets free cars, don’t that happens a lot?

[LGA Link N Train]

5 hours ago, NJFoamer114 said:

Kinda surprised they completely shunned the 59th Street Junction (IND 8th) and the entire IRT [including Roger's Junction) from CBTC installation considering those corners cause heavy delays..

They weren’t shunned per say, but won’t be chosen until certain other projects get priority. The IRT as a whole (barring the  Line) won’t get CBTC until the R-262 contract is well underway so that’ll take time. As for 59th on the other hand, 8th Avenue CBTC starts AT 59th-Columbus Circle and with 6th on the table as well, I think it’d make sense to account for the junction.

[DaPr03]

2 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

For those guys who are hunting for an R211A  train, keep an eye out. It might run today. Right now on one of the 168 St  train trips and the consist is 4230-4234 / 4XXX-4XXX.

That's a Rockaway Park  tripper, no 211As debuted on the  yet........................

[R32 3838]

it would have to run on the first since it's a train first then it gets laid up at 207th and during the PM rush it's an to lefferts. They did this with the R32 set that was on the in the evenings.

[darkstar8983]

1 hour ago, DaPr03 said:

That's a Rockaway Park  tripper, no 211As debuted on the  yet........................

oh okay. I thought the 168 St trips would change over from the  to the  for midday service, then switch back to the  for the Rockaway Park trips out of 168 St.

[Daniel The Cool]

1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said:

oh okay. I thought the 168 St trips would change over from the  to the  for midday service, then switch back to the  for the Rockaway Park trips out of 168 St.

Only the first PM  To Rockaway Park which leaves 168 from the Track.

 

[Comrade96]

I mean I did say their debut is TOMORROW not today, hopefully that still rings true

[slantfan4281]

7 hours ago, Comrade96 said:

there is no 3rd option

could they negotiate with Kawasaki for another one? If not maybe base the R268 on the R211 like how the R68As were R68s from a different manufacturer 

[Comrade96]

29 minutes ago, slantfan4281 said:

could they negotiate with Kawasaki for another one? If not maybe base the R268 on the R211 like how the R68As were R68s from a different manufacturer 

most likely not, I feel like that time frame came and went

[TrainGamingKing9928]

33 minutes ago, slantfan4281 said:

could they negotiate with Kawasaki for another one? If not maybe base the R268 on the R211 like how the R68As were R68s from a different manufacturer 

 

3 minutes ago, Comrade96 said:

most likely not, I feel like that time frame came and went

R142A cars 7731-7810 were built under a supplemental contract between 2004 and 2005 to supplement the rest of the R142A's which were built between 1999 and 2002. In the unlikely event that the MTA chooses to negotiate with Kawasaki for another option, they would probably do something similar and order some additional R211's under a supplemental contract after OO2.

[subway guy]

35 minutes ago, Comrade96 said:

most likely not, I feel like that time frame came and went

I read on Kawasaki's website that the base order was 535 cars, and the MTA exercised and ordered an additional 640 with a final option of 437. Are they exercising that final 437, which I assume will send a few sets to the B and D Line? Am I off? Thanks!

[Comrade96]

40 minutes ago, TrainGamingKing9928 said:

 

R142A cars 7731-7810 were built under a supplemental contract between 2004 and 2005 to supplement the rest of the R142A's which were built between 1999 and 2002. In the unlikely event that the MTA chooses to negotiate with Kawasaki for another option, they would probably do something similar and order some additional R211's under a supplemental contract after OO2.

yes but this is assuming kawasaki would be willing to do a supplemental contract 

[slantfan4281]

1 minute ago, Comrade96 said:

yes but this is assuming kawasaki would be willing to do a supplemental contract 

Maybe Hitachi would be willing to build them once they wrap up the WMATA cars in 2027. Assuming deliveries are the same pace, the entire base order will probably be in service by the end of the year, with options 1 and 2 done by middle to end of 2026

[Comrade96]

16 minutes ago, slantfan4281 said:

Maybe Hitachi would be willing to build them once they wrap up the WMATA cars in 2027. Assuming deliveries are the same pace, the entire base order will probably be in service by the end of the year, with options 1 and 2 done by middle to end of 2026

that is DEFINITELY not happening

[slantfan4281]

1 minute ago, Comrade96 said:

that is DEFINITELY not happening

The delivery schedule or getting Hitachi to make the cars

[Comrade96]

4 minutes ago, slantfan4281 said:

The delivery schedule or getting Hitachi to make the cars

the Hitachi part

[slantfan4281]

1 minute ago, Comrade96 said:

the Hitachi part

Do you think they could get anyone to build a R268 based on the R211  

[MJHmarc]

Alstom is begging for a bid for next contracts after not getting a part of the 211’s

[R32 3838]

7 minutes ago, MJHmarc said:

Alstom is begging for a bid for next contracts after not getting a part of the 211’s

they're likely going to get the R262 order unless it's split with Kawasaki like the R160 order. They can also get the R268 order too.