Lawrence St Posted February 25, 2021 Share #2001 Posted February 25, 2021 Uh, wasn't Kawasaki suppose to wait until the pilot was here before starting the production units? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted February 25, 2021 Share #2002 Posted February 25, 2021 44 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: Uh, wasn't Kawasaki suppose to wait until the pilot was here before starting the production units? that is the pilot in the video. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted February 25, 2021 Share #2003 Posted February 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Around the Horn said: that is the pilot in the video. Aren't the pilots built in Japan first? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted February 25, 2021 Share #2004 Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, Around the Horn said: Here they are in all their glory: (not my video) A bit bland that the B-cars don't have any color to them, especially compared to the M-8s shown in the same video! One of the many renderings did show a blue horizontal stripe on the bottom with diagonal yellow stripe, but it looks like it was only on the A-cars and was replaced by the diagonal stripes. The wraps on the R160s come off as tacky to me (I think because they were added later on, compared to being an "intrinsic" part of the design like with the M9s and R211s, at least once the designs were finalized/hijacked by Cuomo) but I do at least like that on them the blue continues on the side of the A-cars onto the B-cars (though I don't love the blue wrap being on the top half). Ideal for me would've been the horizontal blue stripe on the bottom half of all the cars with the thin yellow stripe above that. Edited February 25, 2021 by Mysterious2train 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted February 25, 2021 Share #2005 Posted February 25, 2021 On 2/24/2021 at 5:45 PM, Around the Horn said: Here they are in all their glory: (not my video) Am I seeing things, or does the front door window look wider than what we saw in previous photos/videos? 5 hours ago, Mysterious2train said: A bit bland that the B-cars don't have any color to them, especially compared to the M-8s shown in the same video! One of the many renderings did show a blue horizontal stripe on the bottom with diagonal yellow stripe, but it looks like it was only on the A-cars and was replaced by the diagonal stripes. The wraps on the R160s come off as tacky to me (I think because they were added later on, compared to being an "intrinsic" part of the design like with the M9s and R211s, at least once the designs were finalized/hijacked by Cuomo) but I do at least like that on them the blue continues on the side of the A-cars onto the B-cars (though I don't love the blue wrap being on the top half). Ideal for me would've been the horizontal blue stripe on the bottom half of all the cars with the thin yellow stripe above that. Fully agreed that the B-cars could use a little color. I know MTA management are all about the penny pinching, but I really don’t think it wound bankrupt the MTA if they had a blue stripe on the sides. It could even be with a thin yellow stripe on top like you suggested. The stripes don’t have to be painted; they could be a wrap, like on the Cuomo R160s. I mean, please...just a little color. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted February 26, 2021 Share #2006 Posted February 26, 2021 4 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: The stripes don’t have to be painted; they could be a wrap, like on the Cuomo R160s. I mean, please...just a little color. Am I seeing things, or does the front door window look wider than what we saw in previous photos/videos? 1. Wow, look at us, getting all picky. Well, it makes sense. We havent had any color on the cars since the 70's-80's. So it would make sense to add some color to the 211's. But the 's ridership JUST started slightly increasing, so my prediction would be no color until the 262's. 2. Another case of the changing their minds. 12 hours ago, Lawrence St said: Aren't the pilots built in Japan first? Yes, but not all of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68ACTrain Posted February 26, 2021 Share #2007 Posted February 26, 2021 21 hours ago, Lawrence St said: Aren't the pilots built in Japan first? Those the Ts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted February 26, 2021 Share #2008 Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) Deleted Edited February 26, 2021 by Bill from Maspeth 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrome Posted February 26, 2021 Share #2009 Posted February 26, 2021 I prefer the sleek stainless steel look, inside and out. IMHO, the added blue and yellow just adds visual noise and won't age well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted February 26, 2021 Share #2010 Posted February 26, 2021 Maybe not all over, but I think something like this - https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?7654 or this - https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?108103 would still look fine today. I can agree the “Cuomo colors” on the R160s is too much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted February 26, 2021 Share #2011 Posted February 26, 2021 the car in japan is just one car. the rest of the order is being built here. the 1st R211T set is currently being built in Nebraska right now after a delay. with the chip shortages, don't be surprised if these cars get delayed even more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrome Posted February 28, 2021 Share #2012 Posted February 28, 2021 On 2/26/2021 at 2:09 PM, T to Dyre Avenue said: Maybe not all over, but I think something like this - https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?7654 or this - https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?108103 would still look fine today. I can agree the “Cuomo colors” on the R160s is too much. Exactly. A single stripe. or a simple door color would be perfect. For example, I like the dark blue fronts on the R211s, but you don't need much more than that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulk88 Posted March 6, 2021 Share #2013 Posted March 6, 2021 So.... if NYCT cars have paint, wont it all come off during graphitti removal? Is that why all cars are naked stainless steel and the wrap is replaced? or are the wraps acetone proof? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted March 7, 2021 Share #2014 Posted March 7, 2021 On 2/26/2021 at 5:04 PM, R32 3838 said: the car in japan is just one car. the rest of the order is being built here. the 1st R211T set is currently being built in Nebraska right now after a delay. with the chip shortages, don't be surprised if these cars get delayed even more. Does anyone out there know the production order for Kawasaki rail cars ? Some of us LIRR riders wonder if the R211 cars will become the subway version of the Unicorn . The Unicorn aka the M9 rail cars are a rarity on the LIRR which seem to be in a production delay at Kawasaki. I believe that there was a variant for Metro North proposed , too. I personally think that these timelines are extremely optimistic but I can be wrong. How many separate production lines are in operation ? Just curious. Carry on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted March 8, 2021 Share #2015 Posted March 8, 2021 On 3/6/2021 at 2:24 PM, bulk88 said: So.... if NYCT cars have paint, wont it all come off during graphitti removal? Is that why all cars are naked stainless steel and the wrap is replaced? or are the wraps acetone proof? For the R211s the stripe is a wrap except for the doors which are made with blue metal 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted March 13, 2021 Share #2016 Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) From reddit which got it from MTA IG page... I'm kind of disappointed the headlights aren't blue LED's, oh well. Edited March 13, 2021 by trainfan22 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted March 13, 2021 Share #2017 Posted March 13, 2021 On 3/8/2021 at 1:06 AM, Around the Horn said: For the R211s the stripe is a wrap except for the doors which are made with blue metal Blue metal? I thought it was paint, like the R32 doors were before they were overhauled in 1989-90. 12 hours ago, trainfan22 said: From reddit which got it from MTA IG page... I'm kind of disappointed the headlights aren't blue LED's, oh well. I thought the headlights have to be a yellowish-white per safety regulations. But it appears that the front door window is going to be wider than what I saw in previous photos. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrome Posted March 13, 2021 Share #2018 Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: Blue metal? I thought it was paint, like the R32 doors were before they were overhauled in 1989-90. It's likely blue enamel, a very durable kind of paint (often cured with heat, like they do for cars.) 2 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: I thought the headlights have to be a yellowish-white per safety regulations. Huh. Your comment sparked some light research on my part. Apparently the American Assoc. of Railroads does have a "recommendation" that locomotive LED headlights be 2,700 K – 3,300 K, which is between "warm white" and "soft white" LED bulbs for the home. That's roughly the color temp. of traditional halogen headlight bulbs, which is relatively warm ("yellowish"). (I'm not sure why, as I think most people find that a slightly cooler color temp. offers better visibility.) But I can't find any hard regulations from the FRA or anyone else about LED headlight color temp. Suppliers make them as cool as 7,000 K, which is quite cool (relatively "blue", but definitely still white.) I think it's up to the MTA. They may want to keep them a warmer color temp. just because that's operators are familiar with. Or perhaps they just left it up to Kawasaki. Edited March 13, 2021 by rbrome 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted March 13, 2021 Share #2019 Posted March 13, 2021 31 minutes ago, rbrome said: It's likely blue enamel, a very durable kind of paint (often cured with heat, like they do for cars.) Huh. Your comment sparked some light research on my part. Apparently the American Assoc. of Railroads does have a "recommendation" that locomotive LED headlights be 2,700 K – 3,300 K, which is between "warm white" and "soft white" LED bulbs for the home. That's roughly the color temp. of traditional halogen headlight bulbs, which is relatively warm ("yellowish"). (I'm not sure why, as I think most people find that a slightly cooler color temp. offers better visibility.) But I can't find any hard regulations from the FRA or anyone else about LED headlight color temp. Suppliers make them as cool as 7,000 K, which is quite cool (relatively "blue", but definitely still white.) I think it's up to the MTA. They may want to keep them a warmer color temp. just because that's operators are familiar with. Or perhaps they just left it up to Kawasaki. Could be. I’ve never actually heard of any hard regulations calling for the headlights to look yellow (and there might not be) either. But most every train headlight I’ve seen has either that yellowish-white glow or maybe something closer to plain white. I’m just going by my eyes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted March 14, 2021 Share #2020 Posted March 14, 2021 Some 160's were retrofitted with LED headlights, and they are the standard "cool white" (prob. 5000K) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted March 30, 2021 Share #2021 Posted March 30, 2021 According to this article, the first cars could come this week...... or they could be delayed until June. https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/transit/2021/03/30/newest-mta-train-model-continues-to-face-delays-amid-covid-19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 30, 2021 Share #2022 Posted March 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, trainfan22 said: According to this article, the first cars could come this week...... or they could be delayed until June. https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/transit/2021/03/30/newest-mta-train-model-continues-to-face-delays-amid-covid-19 These are gonna come in very slow. We have a semi conductor (chip) shortage. so the base order is gonna come in very slow. This is one of the big reasons for the delays. this affects everything from vehicles to electronics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Train 8 Av-Fulton Posted April 3, 2021 Share #2023 Posted April 3, 2021 If I were to predict something to this new order, I'd say we could give the R211T's to the Train first. Since the was the only line without any technology trains, besides the and Franklin Avenue , since they only ran R68/As. The on Franklin Avenue never ran R68As, only 9 of the remaining R68s from 2916-2924. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted April 4, 2021 Share #2024 Posted April 4, 2021 7 hours ago, K Train 8 Av-Fulton said: If I were to predict something to this new order, I'd say we could give the R211T's to the Train first. Since the was the only line without any technology trains, besides the and Franklin Avenue , since they only ran R68/As. The on Franklin Avenue never ran R68As, only 9 of the remaining R68s from 2916-2924. The r211T's need to go to lines that have huge ridership. The A, E, F have much higher ridership than the G. The base order of r211T's, which is only 2 ten car trains need to go to the E, which has the highest ridership on the B division. The G should get the 8 car r179's from the C because the G will still need longer trains and the C needs to be 100% 10 car trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted April 6, 2021 Share #2025 Posted April 6, 2021 They also need to go on lines whose cars are dropping like flies at a bug zapper (looking at you, lines). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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