Lex Posted June 20, 2020 Share #1626 Posted June 20, 2020 2 hours ago, MHV9218 said: Paint all the doors blue, dammit! Looks stupid like this. And the corporate scheme/late R16s did it before! It's not finished. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted June 21, 2020 Share #1627 Posted June 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, Lex said: It's not finished. Seems pretty clear from the mock-up and past presentation materials the design is for the front doors by the cab ends only. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted June 21, 2020 Share #1628 Posted June 21, 2020 But why still use pocket doors instead of external sliders? (I'm one of those folks who appreciate as many windows as possible on vehicles to cut down on feeling cramped.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted June 21, 2020 Share #1629 Posted June 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, Deucey said: But why still use pocket doors instead of external sliders? (I'm one of those folks who appreciate as many windows as possible on vehicles to cut down on feeling cramped.) Is it fundamentally broken? If we're going by aesthetics, then I'm glad they're not going with external sliders. As far as I'm concerned, they look like hot garbage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted June 21, 2020 Share #1630 Posted June 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Lex said: Is it fundamentally broken? If we're going by aesthetics, then I'm glad they're not going with external sliders. As far as I'm concerned, they look like hot garbage. Easier to inspect and repair; less drag from atmosphere, easier to clean, and they stop folks from leaning on them - which lowers the repair frequency and makes boarding/alighting faster since folks aren't crowding them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestrictOnTheHanger Posted June 22, 2020 Share #1631 Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) On 6/20/2020 at 11:23 PM, Deucey said: Easier to inspect and repair; less drag from atmosphere, easier to clean, and they stop folks from leaning on them - which lowers the repair frequency and makes boarding/alighting faster since folks aren't crowding them. Edit: found the answer to my original question. New question: But how do external doors stop people from leaning on them? When I was riding London's Central Line on vacation, their 1992 stock has external doors (all trains produced since then do). The doors on that specific stock are hooked up to a sensor and when people lean on them, the train jerks and cuts traction power while leaving a station until the person stops leaning. Judging by how often this happened, I wouldnt say that people lean less on exterior doors. Edited June 22, 2020 by RestrictOnTheHanger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted June 22, 2020 Share #1632 Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, RestrictOnTheHanger said: Edit: found the answer to my original question. New question: But how do external doors stop people from leaning on them? When I was riding London's Central Line on vacation, their 1992 stock has external doors (all trains produced since then do). The doors on that specific stock are hooked up to a sensor and when people lean on them, the train jerks and cuts traction power while leaving a station until the person stops leaning. Judging by how often this happened, I wouldnt say that people lean less on exterior doors. You realize you answered your own question, right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryB Posted June 22, 2020 Share #1633 Posted June 22, 2020 a side note: trains with external doors are in theory safer to operate with PSD (less space to have stuffs trapped between the train and platform doors) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted June 24, 2020 Share #1634 Posted June 24, 2020 I just hope that the budget issues that the MTA is currently facing doesn't affect the number of r211's purchased. The MTA cannot continue to have car shortages on B division. Ridership will eventually go back to how it was before the pandemic. https://www.amny.com/news/facing-massive-10-billion-deficit-mta-stalls-major-capital-plan-scrambles-for-answers/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emil Posted July 15, 2020 Share #1635 Posted July 15, 2020 I'm assuming due to corona that the delivery of the test train will be delayed considering it's the middle of July lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted July 29, 2020 Share #1636 Posted July 29, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 1:25 AM, Emil said: I'm assuming due to corona that the delivery of the test train will be delayed considering it's the middle of July lol. I wouldn't be surprised if the test train is not delivered this year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted October 4, 2020 Share #1637 Posted October 4, 2020 https://www.masstransitmag.com/rail/vehicles/news/21154981/ne-big-kawasaki-customer-says-current-and-future-contracts-are-in-jeopardy?fbclid=IwAR17JrwNa6kMfsn1VRsFzeWhjC2uldHuv21s4ih8L_3hm_v94BQrAqUytBU Not sure of this article was already posted elsewhere on the forum but it is R211 related. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted October 5, 2020 Share #1638 Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, trainfan22 said: https://www.masstransitmag.com/rail/vehicles/news/21154981/ne-big-kawasaki-customer-says-current-and-future-contracts-are-in-jeopardy?fbclid=IwAR17JrwNa6kMfsn1VRsFzeWhjC2uldHuv21s4ih8L_3hm_v94BQrAqUytBU Not sure of this article was already posted elsewhere on the forum but it is R211 related. After reading this, I hope that we get the base order at the very least as it should be enough to replace all remaining R32's. Maybe if we're lucky, we could get the R211T's if those 2 Open Gangway sets prove to be successful 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted October 5, 2020 Share #1639 Posted October 5, 2020 In my opinion, should hold off on purchasing any new subways cars for the time being, because if they dont get that extra 12 billion, they're going to reduce service anyway so there's really no point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted October 5, 2020 Share #1640 Posted October 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: In my opinion, should hold off on purchasing any new subways cars for the time being, because if they dont get that extra 12 billion, they're going to reduce service anyway so there's really no point. Unfortunately, that has to be the case even if they get the $12 billion anyways since they are going to need it for other projects. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted October 5, 2020 Share #1641 Posted October 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: In my opinion, should hold off on purchasing any new subways cars for the time being, because if they dont get that extra 12 billion, they're going to reduce service anyway so there's really no point. Generally speaking this would be penny wise and pound foolish. The new stock costs money, yes, but it is also cheaper to maintain and operate than older stock which keeps breaking down, has lower energy efficiency, etc. To provide another comparison, airlines are largely still taking delivery of their new planes so they can retire their very expensive old planes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted October 5, 2020 Share #1642 Posted October 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said: Generally speaking this would be penny wise and pound foolish. The new stock costs money, yes, but it is also cheaper to maintain and operate than older stock which keeps breaking down, has lower energy efficiency, etc. To provide another comparison, airlines are largely still taking delivery of their new planes so they can retire their very expensive old planes. Well damn, now I'm very conflicted whether to retract my earlier statement or not. You make a very good point about maintaining old fleets that tend to breakdown, i.e. the R32's and R46's. There have been multiple cases of those trains breaking down a lot in the past few months which makes sense since they are very old trains that are being brought back from the brink of death because of certain issues that tend to pop, specifically COVID and the R179 fleet being taken out of service twice in a year. 1 hour ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: After reading this, I hope that we get the base order at the very least as it should be enough to replace all remaining R32's. Maybe if we're lucky, we could get the R211T's if those 2 Open Gangway sets prove to be successful Going back to what this guy said, I doubt that it can't replace all the R32's seeing as they are only used on the which is a good thing because they don't have any other trains to run other than the R143 and R160. There aren't many R32's left to begin with anyways so it wouldn't have mattered much. Let's hope that the R179's don't fail for the 3rd time in a row this year which would be a record for the wrong reason, then again with all the stuff going around about braking issues with the R179's, that could become a reality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted October 5, 2020 Share #1643 Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Vulturious said: Well damn, now I'm very conflicted whether to retract my earlier statement or not. You make a very good point about maintaining old fleets that tend to breakdown, i.e. the R32's and R46's. There have been multiple cases of those trains breaking down a lot in the past few months which makes sense since they are very old trains that are being brought back from the brink of death because of certain issues that tend to pop, specifically COVID and the R179 fleet being taken out of service twice in a year. Going back to what this guy said, I doubt that it can't replace all the R32's seeing as they are only used on the which is a good thing because they don't have any other trains to run other than the R143 and R160. There aren't many R32's left to begin with anyways so it wouldn't have mattered much. Let's hope that the R179's don't fail for the 3rd time in a row this year which would be a record for the wrong reason, then again with all the stuff going around about braking issues with the R179's, that could become a reality. Generally speaking, if service cuts were to happen, then there would be no need for the older cars to remain in service, since there's now a larger spare factor. So theoretically, if the and get discontinued, the cars from the and can fill in for service which can retire the R32's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted October 5, 2020 Share #1644 Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Lawrence St said: In my opinion, should hold off on purchasing any new subways cars for the time being, because if they dont get that extra 12 billion, they're going to reduce service anyway so there's really no point. WE NEED THE CARS, THE R32's and R46's are Beyond tired Even if they do cuts When we recover, How are we going to keep up the demand of increasing ridership. We have every democrat pushing congestion pricing, We CAN'T AFFORD ANOTHER CAR SHORTAGE!!!!!!! We had a 8 year Car shortage because of the R44 retirement and 2010 cuts. loosing the helped but when the started going up 2nd ave in 2017, spare factor dropped due to the r179's being late, Hence why there was 4 10 car units to help with that. I hate this oh we should do cuts and not order shit. It'll take more than 10 years to recover these lines back if we don't have enough equipment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted October 5, 2020 Share #1645 Posted October 5, 2020 47 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: Generally speaking, if service cuts were to happen, then there would be no need for the older cars to remain in service, since there's now a larger spare factor. So theoretically, if the and get discontinued, the cars from the and can fill in for service which can retire the R32's. Spare factor wouldn't increase by that much actually, all it would do is help mainly the and for extra service to be put onto it. If anything, with this they could "theoretically" bring back the for service on Brighton since these cars from the and are from Coney Island anyways. 23 minutes ago, R32 3838 said: WE NEED THE CARS, THE R32's and R46's are Beyond tired Even if they do cuts When we recover, How are we going to keep up the demand of increasing ridership. We have every democrat pushing congestion pricing, We CAN'T AFFORD ANOTHER CAR SHORTAGE!!!!!!! We had a 8 year Car shortage because of the R44 retirement and 2010 cuts. loosing the helped but when the started going up 2nd ave in 2017, spare factor dropped due to the r179's being late, Hence why there was 4 10 car units to help with that. I hate this oh we should do cuts and not order shit. It'll take more than 10 years to recover these lines back if we don't have enough equipment. From what I said about the and having extra service, the R46 and R68/A's based from Coney would only help them mainly, they can't really put them anywhere else, maybe for the yeah, but again, spare factor would still be horrible because there isn't enough regardless. I forgot to mention the , even with this cut, it would only help the , , and trains. Maybe not the and so much since the R179 isn't fitted with CBTC and the is on an older version of CBTC, but you get where I'm going with this. I think actually ordering more R211's in general, not just the R211T's, would be beneficial in the long run. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted October 5, 2020 Share #1646 Posted October 5, 2020 29 minutes ago, R32 3838 said: WE NEED THE CARS, THE R32's and R46's are Beyond tired Even if they do cuts When we recover, How are we going to keep up the demand of increasing ridership. We have every democrat pushing congestion pricing, We CAN'T AFFORD ANOTHER CAR SHORTAGE!!!!!!! We had a 8 year Car shortage because of the R44 retirement and 2010 cuts. loosing the helped but when the started going up 2nd ave in 2017, spare factor dropped due to the r179's being late, Hence why there was 4 10 car units to help with that. I hate this oh we should do cuts and not order shit. It'll take more than 10 years to recover these lines back if we don't have enough equipment. So you'd rather spend money doesn't have on cars that will sit in a yard for a long time, instead of spending money on infrastructure upgrades and other critical stuff? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted October 5, 2020 Share #1647 Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: So you'd rather spend money doesn't have on cars that will sit in a yard for a long time, instead of spending money on infrastructure upgrades and other critical stuff? It's not even that, You know when they did cuts, ridership always grew right back up and they had 7 year shortages due to retiring more cars than what they should have. The new cars are paid with federal funding. Kawasaki is rumored to leave the Railcar business after the R211's. I wouldn't want to hold up on ordering new cars. Also they won't sit, they'll be used. the oldest cars would be the ones in storage. Edited October 5, 2020 by R32 3838 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted October 5, 2020 Share #1648 Posted October 5, 2020 36 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: So you'd rather spend money doesn't have on cars that will sit in a yard for a long time, instead of spending money on infrastructure upgrades and other critical stuff? The assumption that they'll sit in the yard is categorically false especially considering offices will be reopening by the time they're all here. 33 minutes ago, R32 3838 said: It's not even that, You know when they did cuts, ridership always grew right back up and they had 7 year shortages due to retiring more cars than what they should have. The new cars are paid with federal funding. Kawasaki is rumored to leave the Railcar business after the R211's. I wouldn't want to hold up on ordering new cars. Bingo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted October 5, 2020 Share #1649 Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Around the Horn said: The assumption that they'll sit in the yard is categorically false especially considering offices will be reopening by the time they're all here. Bingo. I'd really like to know what business offices are reopening in the future. The real estate market has already begun retrofitting for less need for office space in the future. Read the business pages of the major newspapers or something like Bloomberg on the radio or cable. That's a better forecast of where the banks, business, and financial institutions are placing their money behind. As they go so goes the . Look at the ridership numbers over the last decade even before the pandemic. It's one thing to replace the older equipment but the need for increasing the fleets isn't clear at the moment. This downturn gives everyone a chance to reevaluate their future needs, including the and the picture doesn't look rosy to me. My opinion. Carry on. Edited October 5, 2020 by Trainmaster5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted October 6, 2020 Share #1650 Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Trainmaster5 said: I'd really like to know what business offices are reopening in the future. The real estate market has already begun retrofitting for less need for office space in the future. Read the business pages of the major newspapers or something like Bloomberg on the radio or cable. That's a better forecast of where the banks, business, and financial institutions are placing their money behind. As they go so goes the . Look at the ridership numbers over the last decade even before the pandemic. It's one thing to replace the older equipment but the need for increasing the fleets isn't clear at the moment. This downturn gives everyone a chance to reevaluate their future needs, including the and the picture doesn't look rosy to me. My opinion. Carry on. Then that’s what they should do - order just enough new cars to retire the remaining R46s and R32s. At some point, it becomes more cost-effective to buy new than to keep on fixing the old. Edited October 6, 2020 by T to Dyre Avenue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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