INDman Posted September 2, 2008 Share #1 Posted September 2, 2008 I have a very basic understanding of what CBTC (computer based train control) is, Computers regulate a train's speed and allow them to be run closer together. I have heard that on the train, with CBTC running it takes longer for a train to travel from 14th Street/ 8th Ave to Rockaway Pkwy. Now I don't personaly know if this is true since I never ride the , but if it is ture how does this make any sence. Does this mean that there are more trains running at slower speeds? If my understanding of CBTC is incorrect please tell me what it is and how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted September 2, 2008 Share #2 Posted September 2, 2008 Its good when its in proper function. Once its all up, glitches and whatnot worked out, and have staff that knows how to work things in a jiffy, it would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJC Posted September 3, 2008 Share #3 Posted September 3, 2008 bad....real bad....the train run a lot slower for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted September 3, 2008 Share #4 Posted September 3, 2008 Its good when its in proper function. Once its all up, glitches and whatnot worked out, and have staff that knows how to work things in a jiffy, it would be great. lol, mta always messes up with new technology B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted September 3, 2008 Share #5 Posted September 3, 2008 CBTC is good. I remember a T/O saying that trains run 5 MPH faster overall with CBTC in place. However, the R160A sets on the mess things up since they don't have CBTC for now and that slows down the system. Once the glitches and stuff are worked out it will perform well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North-Eastern T/O Posted September 5, 2008 Share #6 Posted September 5, 2008 I think I was the one that said the CBTC system lets the train run faster in most location on the line. Yes the R160a's do mess up the system if you are following one in a CBTC R143's since the system know there a train in front of it but does not know exactly were on the line. It keep you back at least another 400ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted September 5, 2008 Author Share #7 Posted September 5, 2008 So if the was 100% R143, CBTC would work correctly? Are the R160's CBTC ready or is that going to happen at a later time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted September 6, 2008 Share #8 Posted September 6, 2008 R160s don't have CBTC yet. When they will have CBTC properly working on the R160s then I think CBTC will work properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelham Bay Dave Posted September 7, 2008 Share #9 Posted September 7, 2008 Even if the was 100% R143 it still wouldn't solve the problem because we have lots of R143 operating on CBTC Bypass do to CBTC Failure on one or more cars going down the road its a on going problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North-Eastern T/O Posted September 8, 2008 Share #10 Posted September 8, 2008 That is right Dave with the R143's in Bypass, but remeber one thing, if you are following a ByPass R143 with a CBTC R143 the two trains are still talking to the CBTC system. This means that you can get closer to that train in front then you would be able to with an R160. How many time did you have to sit just outside of New Lots just because the train was a R160 in front. I know I had many people get pissed off at me becouse I was that close and I could not get into the station. They did not want to hear that the computer did not want to let me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymikey Posted February 19, 2009 Share #11 Posted February 19, 2009 That is right Dave with the R143's in Bypass, but remeber one thing, if you are following a ByPass R143 with a CBTC R143 the two trains are still talking to the CBTC system. This means that you can get closer to that train in front then you would be able to with an R160. How many time did you have to sit just outside of New Lots just because the train was a R160 in front. I know I had many people get pissed off at me because I was that close and I could not get into the station. They did not want to hear that the computer did not want to let me in. Am I correct that the L line CBTC system is derived from the Meteor system used on the full-automatic Paris Metro Line 14? I've ridden that line -- it has no operators on the trains and runs at 85-second headways. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_M%C3%A9tro_Line_14 Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted February 19, 2009 Share #12 Posted February 19, 2009 The point is that nyc subway is too old to be fully compatible with CBTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted February 19, 2009 Share #13 Posted February 19, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
via White Plains Road Posted February 19, 2009 Share #14 Posted February 19, 2009 The point is that nyc subway is too old to be fully compatible with CBTC. I don't think the entire subway system is going to be CBTC....just frequent trains or lines like as in the and maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted February 19, 2009 Share #15 Posted February 19, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted February 19, 2009 Share #16 Posted February 19, 2009 The OTT fleet needs to be retired first. - A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted February 19, 2009 Share #17 Posted February 19, 2009 No no. CTBC will eventually kick in to the entire nyc subway system. Possibly long after all of us this forum are dead. We may never live to see it, but it will definitely happen. Cmon, you think by 2200 all of the system won't have CBTC, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted February 19, 2009 Share #18 Posted February 19, 2009 64 R160As are going to be retrofitted with CBTC to run with the R143s. Personally, i dont think the MTA should even use Automated technology. People need the jubs and there are going to be many problems. Too many and the MTA is just going to end up scrapping the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted February 19, 2009 Share #19 Posted February 19, 2009 64 R160As are going to be retrofitted with CBTC to run with the R143s. Personally, i dont think the MTA should even use Automated technology. People need the jubs and there are going to be many problems. Too many and the MTA is just going to end up scrapping the idea. The TWU doesn't like the OPTO plan either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelham Bay Dave Posted February 19, 2009 Share #20 Posted February 19, 2009 Well just seen a bulletin they going to try ATO/CBTC on the Line soon all T/O's need to be refreshed on CBTC/ATO Proceedures. Only R143's in CBTC Mode will be ATO while T/O's on R160 and R143 Bypass mode will still operate there trains via signal systerm. I'm not a fan of OPTO trains because I like working with a partner however I been thinking about the Wkends just because I got that itch to operate the doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted February 19, 2009 Share #21 Posted February 19, 2009 The point is that nyc subway is too old to be fully compatible with CBTC. Not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted February 19, 2009 Share #22 Posted February 19, 2009 Not true. You are correct. - A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted February 20, 2009 Share #23 Posted February 20, 2009 Not true. A system is never old enough to become new again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted February 20, 2009 Share #24 Posted February 20, 2009 A system is never old enough to become new again. Who cares about age? CBTC is a setup for disaster. You couldnt even test ATO without a fire an the Times Square Shuttle. Besides, to test it out, you'll have to close an entire line after hours. It happened a while ago, i think before the R160s were on the line. P.S. 64 R160s will be retrofitted with CBTC to run with the R143s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted February 20, 2009 Share #25 Posted February 20, 2009 Who cares about age? CBTC is a setup for disaster. You couldnt even test ATO without a fire an the Times Square Shuttle. Besides, to test it out, you'll have to close an entire line after hours. It happened a while ago, i think before the R160s were on the line. P.S. 64 R160s will be retrofitted with CBTC to run with the R143s. CBTC is a good system, however the way the MTA executed it was not the best way to implement it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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