Bill from Maspeth Posted July 8, 2020 Share #7201 Posted July 8, 2020 17 hours ago, happy283 said: Why does 4790 & 4791 still have the custom signs? Its been over 4 months since the final run. Because the cars were sitting in storage. Cars not needed. When trains go to a yard, for storage or not, signage is not changed till the train is readied for its' next assignment. Add "if" since we're talking about R42's here. If 4790/91 will not longer be used, the cars will eventually go to scrap with the signs as is, particularly with that big A in the front, 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted July 8, 2020 Share #7202 Posted July 8, 2020 17 hours ago, danielhg121 said: All of these will become work trains? I'm guessing they selected the best R42's to do the final run? Hopefully.....work trains could also mean them getting assignments within yards...……..to be horses to pull and push dead cars around. To be used however which way supervision sees fit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted July 8, 2020 Share #7203 Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Eric B said: Why would they use 32's and not 32's, since they have the more durable bodies. The 42's will continue to have the rusting problems. If used on the garbage trains...….better air conditioning for the crew. Edited July 8, 2020 by Bill from Maspeth 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted July 8, 2020 Share #7204 Posted July 8, 2020 8888-8892, 9018-9022: C.I to Jamaica YD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m2fwannabe Posted July 8, 2020 Share #7205 Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Calvin said: 8888-8892, 9018-9022: C.I to Jamaica YD Those went to Jamaica (via Pitkin ) on June 6. The only R-160s left at Coney Island after that were 8913-17, 9008-12 and 9023-9102. If for some reason JYD can't keep its inspection requirements they can send overflow to Coney Island Inspection Facility upon request. IF that happens they might wind up getting used on Coney Island routes (until someone finds out and sends them/calls them back home). Through July 4, 365 various Jamaica-based R-160s (now including two Siemens/Alstom mixes) had been used on since June 6. FYI, the July 4 R-32 report has 82 at East New York (10 trains max); 16 more were OK at 207 for possible use @ ENY (up to 98 Total). Stay tuned for coming weeks if the R-32 fleet will rise or fall. Edited July 8, 2020 by m2fwannabe Need Bullet 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted July 10, 2020 Share #7206 Posted July 10, 2020 Anyone know why the has an Alstom set? 9322-9318/8712-8708 currently in service via Brighton, and Broadway Express. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted July 10, 2020 Share #7207 Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, VIP said: Anyone know why the has an Alstom set? 9322-9318/8712-8708 currently in service via Brighton, and Broadway Express. That's the to 96th Put in, Goes back down as a to CI then Lays ups and its a PM put in Edited July 10, 2020 by R32 3838 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy283 Posted July 10, 2020 Share #7208 Posted July 10, 2020 I have noticed there have been less R160s on the this week. Maybe they are in the middle of transferring sets between Jamaica and Pitkin for inspections etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collin Posted July 10, 2020 Share #7209 Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, R32 3838 said: That's the to 96th Put in, Goes back down as a to CI then Lays ups and its a PM put in This used to often be an R46 before the swap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted July 10, 2020 Share #7210 Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, R32 3838 said: That's the to 96th Put in, Goes back down as a to CI then Lays ups and its a PM put in I didn’t realize they were back to sending trains to 96th. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy283 Posted July 10, 2020 Share #7211 Posted July 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, VIP said: I didn’t realize they were back to sending trains to 96th. I would argue that sending trains up second avenue isnt necessary and is quite pointless. The provides adequate service and the should focus on serving Ditmars and that trip should either go to Forest Hills or be outright cancelled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted July 10, 2020 Share #7212 Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, happy283 said: I would argue that sending trains up second avenue isnt necessary and is quite pointless. The provides adequate service and the should focus on serving Ditmars and that trip should either go to Forest Hills or be outright cancelled. It’s not adequate service when the whole Broadway line basically operates under capacity due to this pattern. If anything, you could send the to 96th Street and have the replace service to Ditmars Blvd. service to 49th Street would be discontinued under this move. Move the to 63rd Street, swap the and north of 59th Street, and make the 8th Avenue express all the way, and add a new train to fill in the gaps left by the , , and and that is adequate and more frequent service for all riders (all the lines would operate at 12 trains per hour). At this point, some cars from the could be transferred over to the other lines since the and would now operate shorter routes. Edited July 10, 2020 by JeremiahC99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted July 10, 2020 Share #7213 Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, VIP said: I didn’t realize they were back to sending trains to 96th. He’s referring to the one AM rush hour trip on the to goes from Bay Ridge to 96 St. I think that’s been happening since the extension opened. Edited July 10, 2020 by S78 via Hylan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted July 10, 2020 Share #7214 Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, S78 via Hylan said: He’s referring to the one AM rush hour trip on the to goes from Bay Ridge to 96 St. I think that’s been happening since the extension opened. It happened during November 2017 new pick (months after 96 St-2 Av was opened to the public). The change was that the had a 3rd 96 St trip at that time (9:01 AM from Stillwell Av) and was switched to Astoria-Ditmars. That was replaced with the trip to 2nd Av. Edited July 10, 2020 by Calvin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted July 10, 2020 Share #7215 Posted July 10, 2020 Add 3380/81 to ENY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy283 Posted July 10, 2020 Share #7216 Posted July 10, 2020 4 hours ago, JeremiahC99 said: It’s not adequate service when the whole Broadway line basically operates under capacity due to this pattern. If anything, you could send the to 96th Street and have the replace service to Ditmars Blvd. service to 49th Street would be discontinued under this move. Move the to 63rd Street, swap the and north of 59th Street, and make the 8th Avenue express all the way, and add a new train to fill in the gaps left by the , , and and that is adequate and more frequent service for all riders (all the lines would operate at 12 trains per hour). At this point, some cars from the could be transferred over to the other lines since the and would now operate shorter routes. Or to make it more simple you can just slightly increase service to replace second avenue service and slighlty decrease service to match current Ditmars frequencies. Also trains should switch to the express track after 57 St instead of after 42 St. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted July 11, 2020 Share #7217 Posted July 11, 2020 4 hours ago, R32 3838 said: Add 3380/81 to ENY Good trivia question is where the oldest physical pieces of car equipment are running in the system. When the R42s were in service, it was on those cars: the pantograph gates on a lot of the fleet were from R1/9s, so 80+ years old. Possible some of the work R42s still have it but not the ones I've seen so far. Might be the bulkhead on 3381, that's 59 years old. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted July 11, 2020 Share #7218 Posted July 11, 2020 There was a rumor that there is or was an R32 with an R16 truck. No idea of what numbered 32s they might have been nor if it's one of the units that got reefed.. I heard the museum R10 the one that's operational one of the trucks of from an retired R32. IDK if those R36s still in work service count but those still have the legit SMEE braking system, the other cars that went through GOH got an more modern variation of that braking system. So my guess would be those R36WF assigned to work service has the oldest mechanical gear.. I think the R36s have controllers from retired R30 cars as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted July 11, 2020 Share #7219 Posted July 11, 2020 4 hours ago, happy283 said: Or to make it more simple you can just slightly increase service to replace second avenue service and slighlty decrease service to match current Ditmars frequencies. Also trains should switch to the express track after 57 St instead of after 42 St. The Broadway Line conundrum is more complicated than that, unfortunately. The issue is that the Brooklyn portion of each route has to match the , and match each other (not necessarily the route letters, but the number of trains that come from 4 Av and Brighton, which are further divided into 4 Av Exp/West End and 4 Av Exp/Sea Beach, and Brighton Local vs Express near the DeKalb Av Junction. Roughly the same number of trains run on the Manhattan Trunk Lines (6 Av Express vs Broadway Express). your suggestion to run more “” trains than trains during rush hours is already sort of in practice with the 96 St trains labeled as trains, reducing the number of trains that cross over from the express to local tracks between 34 St and 42 St from 10TPH to 8TPH during rush hours (6TPH during middays and evenings). the 49 St skip idea was not possible prior to the pandemic due to ridership levels at that station requiring the to stop there along with the local trains, but maybe it can be revisited now. The 57 St-7 Av switch probably allows trains to cross over faster than the 34 St one, but before it was seldom used because of the 49 St ridership issue and historical use of 57 St-7 Av as a terminal. Eventually you would need to de-Interline Broadway, but that requires high ridership, a cure for the Coronavirus to allow such ridership increases safely. The de-Interline plan would need: Two Second Avenue services via Broadway Express and Manhattan Bridge ( and ) - an Astoria service running at least the combined frequency of the current (probably an expanded ) - flipping the south Terminal of the and , slightly reducing the frequency of the and cutting its route to run only north of Whitehall St and extending the to Bay Ridge. this plan requires many additional train crews because the would need its own fleet of cars (maybe some taken from the proposed shortened train). * A more detailed version of this plan is further up in this forum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted July 11, 2020 Share #7220 Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, MHV9218 said: Might be the bulkhead on 3381, that's 59 years old. It's also fascinating seeing the slightest differences on the bulkheads. Some have horns and some have 6-screws around the route display (I think 3499 has it). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Ridge Express Posted July 11, 2020 Share #7221 Posted July 11, 2020 4 hours ago, happy283 said: Also trains should switch to the express track after 57 St instead of after 42 St If this were to happen, deinterlining should be considered (e.g. sending s to 2 Av). currently make all local stops north of 34 simply due to ridership patterns. I believe we've discussed rerouting the about 10 billion times in this forum... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted July 11, 2020 Share #7222 Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, danielhg121 said: It's also fascinating seeing the slightest differences on the bulkheads. Some have horns and some have 6-screws around the route display (I think 3499 has it). The horns go all the way back to delivery! The first 150 cars came with bulkhead horns a la the other SMEE cars, and the rest have them below the car body. Always thought it was interesting they never standardized that during GOH. 2 hours ago, trainfan22 said: There was a rumor that there is or was an R32 with an R16 truck. No idea of what numbered 32s they might have been nor if it's one of the units that got reefed.. I heard the museum R10 the one that's operational one of the trucks of from an retired R32. IDK if those R36s still in work service count but those still have the legit SMEE braking system, the other cars that went through GOH got an more modern variation of that braking system. So my guess would be those R36WF assigned to work service has the oldest mechanical gear.. I think the R36s have controllers from retired R30 cars as well. You mean the R33WFs in work service? Word, that's a good point. Would be interesting about the 16 truck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted July 11, 2020 Share #7223 Posted July 11, 2020 Also to note, They're putting social Distancing stickers (Train Crew cab) like on the chain on the cab doors and cab windows of the R32's 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy283 Posted July 11, 2020 Share #7224 Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, R32 3838 said: Also to note, They're putting social Distancing stickers (Train Crew cab) like on the chain on the cab doors and cab windows of the R32's Perfect example of all bark no bite. Chains do nothing, stickers do nothing and those footprints in the stations do nothing. How about the MTA actually does something that will actually protect the workers. They should start by blacking out the RFW because then all the selfish and careless railfans would have no reason to enter the restricted area. A curtian or at the very least 2-3 chains per cab would also be sufficient. Edited July 11, 2020 by happy283 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted July 11, 2020 Share #7225 Posted July 11, 2020 8 hours ago, MHV9218 said: The horns go all the way back to delivery! The first 150 cars came with bulkhead horns a la the other SMEE cars, and the rest have them below the car body. Always thought it was interesting they never standardized that during GOH. You mean the R33WFs in work service? Word, that's a good point. Would be interesting about the 16 truck. There's some R36s in work service... There usually stored in Unionport Yard when they aren't in use. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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