R32 3838 Posted June 25, 2020 Share #7001 Posted June 25, 2020 2 hours ago, RapidoNewLook said: Source? (MTA) they are currently in Nebraska being built, The 10 car pilot train would likely be delivered in July (Might be later due to Covid 19) around august or september. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted June 25, 2020 Share #7002 Posted June 25, 2020 Attention Subway Historians. Remember the R11 cars ? Pilot order w 10 cars delivered. Don't think for a minute that the R211 contract can't be cancelled. There may be a cancellation provision in said contract (hard to believe it's not there) where either party can back out. Financial penalty provision written into the contract. How many of the base order cars are even being built yet ? I don't know the answer so it's all speculation IMO. My take. Carry on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted June 25, 2020 Share #7003 Posted June 25, 2020 5 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: When exactly were the R211s ever promised to Jamaica? They already got R160s and now every single train that runs on the Queens Blvd Line is an R160, fully capable of interfacing with CBTC. That’s exactly what they needed to do, so there’s really no reason to waste time and return the former CI R160s back to CI. Yes, they did that with the Livonia and Westchester R62As, although those cars ran on the for 15 years before being returned to the , and Corona Barn wasn’t properly equipped to handle any New Tech-generation trains. But the R62As did have A/C and, in 2002, still had many single units, so they could easily send them to Corona to run 11-car trains on the and (the railfan in me really would have liked for them to have used the purple 11 bullet on the roll signs when the R62As were there, but since they’re not there now, it doesn’t really matter). Only the base order of 535 cars was paid for in the 2015-19 Capital Plan. So we’ll get those cars, albeit a year or two later than expected. That won’t be enough to fully equip the , and lines, so some R160s will have to stay in Jamaica. Why have two significantly different car classes to contend with when you’ve currently got just one? Jamaica is fully R160s now, including the ENY trains that come to visit on weekdays when the is running there. Why change it back? Because someone at Transit “made a promise” that the R211s would be put there years ago? Someone who might not even be there now? Thank you. Someone else gets it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted June 26, 2020 Share #7004 Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, Trainmaster5 said: Attention Subway Historians. Remember the R11 cars ? Pilot order w 10 cars delivered. Don't think for a minute that the R211 contract can't be cancelled. There may be a cancellation provision in said contract (hard to believe it's not there) where either party can back out. Financial penalty provision written into the contract. How many of the base order cars are even being built yet ? I don't know the answer so it's all speculation IMO. My take. Carry on. I get your skepticism but that would be unfortunate - Kawasaki is two and half years into designing and preparing to build these cars, so if the order was curtailed the MTA would have to pay them many millions for this work with little or nothing to show for it. My guess (and that's all it is) is that the base order cars will be delivered and that the MTA will find money for enough option order cars to fully replace the R46's and the Staten Island R44's, but that will be it. Edited June 26, 2020 by RailBus63 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak706 Posted June 26, 2020 Share #7005 Posted June 26, 2020 I don’t think anything is going to be cancelled as far as new cars. The R46s are 45 years old and unlike the R32s and many other 60’ SMEE cars, they did not receive a full structural rebuild and reinforcement during GOH. Don’t forget that even the almighty stainless steel can experience fatigue and stress cracks. These cars are going to need to be retired in the near future. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy283 Posted June 26, 2020 Share #7006 Posted June 26, 2020 What exactly is happening with the because a significant amount of the Jamaica R160s have been sent back as well as one of the ENY loaners. How is there enough trains for regular service without the R179s? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy283 Posted June 26, 2020 Share #7007 Posted June 26, 2020 8663-8667, 8708-8712, 8723-8727, 8828-8832, 8878-8882, 8888-8892, 8953-8957, 8993-8997, 9003-9007, 9018-9022, 9128-9132, 9223-9227, 9268-9272, 9328-9332, 9408-9412, 9453-9457, 9503-9507, 9533-9537, 9568-9572, 9628-9632, 9688-9692, 9728-9732, 9818-9822, 9843-9847, 9853-9857, 9873-9877, 130 cars. 13 trains at pitkin 8357-8360, 8369-8372 back to ENY. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted June 27, 2020 Share #7008 Posted June 27, 2020 45 minutes ago, happy283 said: 8663-8667, 8708-8712, 8723-8727, 8828-8832, 8878-8882, 8888-8892, 8953-8957, 8993-8997, 9003-9007, 9018-9022, 9128-9132, 9223-9227, 9268-9272, 9328-9332, 9408-9412, 9453-9457, 9503-9507, 9533-9537, 9568-9572, 9628-9632, 9688-9692, 9728-9732, 9818-9822, 9843-9847, 9853-9857, 9873-9877, 130 cars. 13 trains at pitkin 8357-8360, 8369-8372 back to ENY. maybe its time for inspections: and to select a few Jamaica 160s to take their place. In the mean time, the R46s will hold down the 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted June 27, 2020 Share #7009 Posted June 27, 2020 55 minutes ago, happy283 said: What exactly is happening with the because a significant amount of the Jamaica R160s have been sent back as well as one of the ENY loaners. How is there enough trains for regular service without the R179s? You missed the part where it was said the R160s are on rotations systemwide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted June 27, 2020 Share #7010 Posted June 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said: You missed the part where it was said the R160s are on rotations systemwide. since Jamaica is now the primary yard for R160 maintenance AND that the new order regarding CBTC requires ALL R160s to be CTBC compatible. Some of the 89XX R160B siemens units that were transferred to Jamaica were sent back to Coney Island as placeholders, and vice versa by way of the Pitkin loan. The total R160 count remains 120 Siemens units in Coney Island and the rest in Jamaica (140 Siemens + All Alstoms) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted June 27, 2020 Share #7011 Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said: since Jamaica is now the primary yard for R160 maintenance AND that the new order regarding CBTC requires ALL R160s to be CTBC compatible. Some of the 89XX R160B siemens units that were transferred to Jamaica were sent back to Coney Island as placeholders, and vice versa by way of the Pitkin loan. The total R160 count remains 120 Siemens units in Coney Island and the rest in Jamaica (140 Siemens + All Alstoms) Coney Island units are from 9043-9102 while Jamaica are from 8843-8887. The rest of the units that are at Coney Island/Jamaica are pretty much rotated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy283 Posted June 27, 2020 Share #7012 Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, MysteriousBtrain said: You missed the part where it was said the R160s are on rotations systemwide. I was asking about there being about 8 less trains assigned to Pitkin now than a week ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted June 27, 2020 Share #7013 Posted June 27, 2020 16 R32's were transferred to ENY so this totals up 44 R32's at ENY. 10 R42's pitkin to CI 8 R160's 207th to ENY (got tagged) 8+ R179's ENY to 207th 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted June 27, 2020 Share #7014 Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Calvin said: Coney Island units are from 9043-9102 while Jamaica are from 8843-8887. The rest of the units that are at Coney Island/Jamaica are pretty much rotated. 9023*-9102 actually. But at some point, some of the 88XX and 89XX siemens units will need to be temporarily sent back to Coney Island while 9023-9102 get temporarily sent to Jamaica for retrofitting (unless Coney Island can retrofit their own cars for CBTC) before being sent back. Then you can have: 8843-8982 (Jamaica) 8983-9102 (Coney Island) Edited June 27, 2020 by darkstar8983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy283 Posted June 27, 2020 Share #7015 Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, R32 3838 said: 16 R32's were transferred to ENY so this totals up 44 R32's at ENY. 10 R42's pitkin to CI 8 R160's 207th to ENY (got tagged) 8+ R179's ENY to 207th Are the R32s planning to enter service soon? Why are they transferring R42s, arent they officially retired? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimategamer12c Posted June 27, 2020 Share #7016 Posted June 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, happy283 said: Are the R32s planning to enter service soon? Why are they transferring R42s, arent they officially retired? They sent the R42 to coney for long term storage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted June 27, 2020 Share #7017 Posted June 27, 2020 There's about 66 R32's at ENY. The whole deck is full of R32's 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted June 28, 2020 Share #7018 Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, R32 3838 said: There's about 66 R32's at ENY. The whole deck is full of R32's See, this is what I'm saying, no matter how many times somebody tells me they're "retired," I got that, but all of this is subject to forces out of the MTA's control in terms of ridership and equipment requirements, and they're sure as hell getting ready to un-retire them when you look at what they're doing with ENY and the new yellow chains around the cabs... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted June 28, 2020 Share #7019 Posted June 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, MHV9218 said: See, this is what I'm saying, no matter how many times somebody tells me they're "retired," I got that, but all of this is subject to forces out of the MTA's control in terms of ridership and equipment requirements, and they're sure as hell getting ready to un-retire them when you look at what they're doing with ENY and the new yellow chains around the cabs... I didn't see a single R179 in that yard, those are probably at 207th awaiting inspection. They were testing the doors on them and etc. They took one whole 8 car train into the inspection barn. Plus one set was already configured in the 5x3 position. All 6 tracks on the deck were R32's. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted June 28, 2020 Share #7020 Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) If the R32s do return to service, I'm curious as to how railfans will react to the RFW being roped off. I have feeling they will be all bunched up on top of each other right behind the chain just to see that view. It wouldn't be as nearly as enjoyable standing far away from the glass anyway. Edited June 28, 2020 by trainfan22 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimategamer12c Posted June 28, 2020 Share #7021 Posted June 28, 2020 The R32s are stacked at ENY yard rn man it felt like 2017 again, if they do come into revenue service I hope everyone enjoys them one last time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NycTransitFan107 Posted June 28, 2020 Share #7022 Posted June 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Ultimategamer12c said: The R32s are stacked at ENY yard rn man it felt like 2017 again, if they do come into revenue service I hope everyone enjoys them one last time. The only ones who won't be happy is the Union who doesn't want them in service to protect the operators and conductors 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy283 Posted June 28, 2020 Share #7023 Posted June 28, 2020 Will phase 3 on July 6 force the R32s back into service. I know at least 20-30 more cars have recently been sent to ENY. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted June 29, 2020 Share #7024 Posted June 29, 2020 R32's to return to service on the and starting this Wednesday. https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-l-train-normal-service-covid-19-20200628-lntxyjbwdbhizky4sw5i6dbjgq-story.html?fbclid=IwAR04adaSHNF8FlO5kmcwlxjkeIbJg2fu3oPZTxXVbkbRtQQdxyfYAIhYK_Q 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapidoNewLook Posted June 29, 2020 Share #7025 Posted June 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Lawrence St said: R32's to return to service on the and starting this Wednesday. https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-l-train-normal-service-covid-19-20200628-lntxyjbwdbhizky4sw5i6dbjgq-story.html?fbclid=IwAR04adaSHNF8FlO5kmcwlxjkeIbJg2fu3oPZTxXVbkbRtQQdxyfYAIhYK_Q How did they work it out with the union? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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