trainfan22 Posted January 3, 2012 Share #501 Posted January 3, 2012 Are the R-188's for the 7 line? Yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan05979 Posted January 3, 2012 Share #502 Posted January 3, 2012 What a poorly designed console. Crapola. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted January 3, 2012 Share #503 Posted January 3, 2012 What a poorly designed console. Crapola. Talk about over complicated, try finding anything in the dark while operating. The R160 console is alot cleaner and better designed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmouse Posted January 10, 2012 Share #504 Posted January 10, 2012 Any news? updates? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efraincub17 Posted January 16, 2012 Share #505 Posted January 16, 2012 Exactly, and plus i think riders would prefer announcement based trains since most of them get lost or don't pay attention as to where they are... so no point to put back r62a's back on the 6 line... if that was the case, longtime ago they would've left them or put them back....tooo late to put them back now...people got used to them! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntExp Posted January 16, 2012 Share #506 Posted January 16, 2012 Exactly, and plus i think riders would prefer announcement based trains since most of them get lost or don't pay attention as to where they are... so no point to put back r62a's back on the 6 line... if that was the case, longtime ago they would've left them or put them back....tooo late to put them back now...people got used to them! It doesn't matter if people got used to them, it's the logistics that matters. This move has been planned for a long time, and don't jump to conclusions- we still don't know where the plans to move the R62A's once the converted R142/R188's start to be put in service on the The only reason you see the or the brought up here is because those are the two optimal destinations for the R62A's- they don't have a large amount of termini, so it's less labor to change the rollsigns- and they can use the LED's. People are just going to have to start listening to the announcements, whether they like it or not, and be aware of their surroundings-it's just the way it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanTheTransitMan Posted January 16, 2012 Share #507 Posted January 16, 2012 It doesn't matter if people got used to them, it's the logistics that matters. This move has been planned for a long time, and don't jump to conclusions- we still don't know where the plans to move the R62A's once the converted R142/R188's start to be put in service on the The only reason you see the or the brought up here is because those are the two optimal destinations for the R62A's- they don't have a large amount of termini, so it's less labor to change the rollsigns- and they can use the LED's. People are just going to have to start listening to the announcements, whether they like it or not, and be aware of their surroundings-it's just the way it is. Isn't the MTA planning to retrofit the R62A class cars with LED destination signs and automated announcements before they place them on 6 line? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 16, 2012 Share #508 Posted January 16, 2012 Isn't the MTA planning to retrofit the R62A class cars with LED destination signs and automated announcements before they place them on 6 line? planning, yes. when, though, is not known. i seriously doubt theyre going to upgrade the 62s before placement on whatever line they put them on. idk where it was stated that the 4 and 6 was a sure thing. its all been rumor as far as i know until something concrete appears. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted January 17, 2012 Share #509 Posted January 17, 2012 These cars are pretty swag. I was looking for something new. But still a nice conversion of the R142. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted January 18, 2012 Share #510 Posted January 18, 2012 Finally, a picture of the bulkhead... Lack of repaint disappointed me, but that's ok I guess. Time to await the arrival of the brand new trainsets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted January 18, 2012 Share #511 Posted January 18, 2012 This is kind of like the iPhone 4S/5. Everyone was expecting something completely new and different. But it is just a mod of the old one. I thought they were gonna get a whole new exterior, then I got the pictures and read the thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6 Lexington Ave Posted January 22, 2012 Share #512 Posted January 22, 2012 Found this on sub chat. R142A at Willets Point 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 22, 2012 Share #513 Posted January 22, 2012 7500s? Even if it was just for clearance testing, why that set? why not just run the converted R142a (R188) set instead? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted January 22, 2012 Share #514 Posted January 22, 2012 Found this on sub chat.R142A at Willets Point If you are referring to the pictures, you are completely wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lance25 Posted January 22, 2012 Share #515 Posted January 22, 2012 7500s? Even if it was just for clearance testing, why that set? why not just run the converted R142a (R188) set instead? I think they already did clearance testing. I doubt much will be different size-wise between 7211 and 7591. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 23, 2012 Share #516 Posted January 23, 2012 why would there be a size difference? why is it suppose to come back looking different? why is the propulsion suppose to be different? the 188 contract was to install cbtc and extra cars of the same specs and exteriors. why spend more money for a different look when this was the plan since the 142s were first designed?. people see a new contract number and expect a new look. well people, welcome to the next generation. only changes made between contracts are minor things. remember the many redbird orders of yesteryear? only minor differences between looks. same situation here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 23, 2012 Share #517 Posted January 23, 2012 The steinway tubes being as narrow as they as they are, a few inches can make a big difference. ie: if the cars are taller/longer, the train would need to slow down a bit to avoid scraping the walls. imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 23, 2012 Share #518 Posted January 23, 2012 The steinway tubes being as narrow as they as they are, a few inches can make a big difference. ie: if the cars are taller/longer, the train would need to slow down a bit to avoid scraping the walls. imo. this is true. but theyve already clearance tested and the difference between 142 and 188 is the cbtc equipment, most of which is inside the car. remember, 142s were designed and built with provisions for cbtc equipment. given how reports of that recent set spotted at Mets with cables hangin out only tells me they are testing a new component that may not be cbtc related. i remember them using a set of 38s thru broad channel to test the nyct-designed ONIX propulsion system now in use on Alsthom 160s during '97. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted January 23, 2012 Share #519 Posted January 23, 2012 I bet the only changes with the new R188 (the new C cars, 79xx's) will be the signs and maybe the doors. The signs will probably be like the R160's, and the Doors will most likely have different motors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 23, 2012 Share #520 Posted January 23, 2012 I bet the only changes with the new R188 (the new C cars, 79xx's) will be the signs and maybe the doors. The signs will probably be like the R160's, and the Doors will most likely have different motors. then wheres the compatability with the conversion sets? past operations (the practice of mix n match consists up untill the 1980s) have lead the mta to run sets of the same specs. you never see 160s linked with 143s. if they have C cars built with FINDs, or even LED signs opposed to the current lcd signs, then the conversion carsmust have them too. and as we've seen from pics of the first 188 conversion set, that isnt the case. otherwise, the set that arrived woulda had the new specs, FINDs and all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted January 23, 2012 Share #521 Posted January 23, 2012 then wheres the compatability with the conversion sets? past operations (the practice of mix n match consists up untill the 1980s) have lead the mta to run sets of the same specs. you never see 160s linked with 143s. if they have C cars built with FINDs, or even LED signs opposed to the current lcd signs, then the conversion carsmust have them too. and as we've seen from pics of the first 188 conversion set, that isnt the case. otherwise, the set that arrived woulda had the new specs, FINDs and all. They can run R160 Alstom and Siemens together. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 23, 2012 Share #522 Posted January 23, 2012 They can run R160 Alstom and Siemens together. they can but not often if at all. the propulsion, although different vendors, have he same trainline functions. hence why i used 143s and 160s as an example. even then, both 160s all have the same basic features as in the FINDs and doors. dont expect FINDs on the c cars. if theyre not on the conversions, they wont be on the c cars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted January 23, 2012 Share #523 Posted January 23, 2012 From what I understand (which is little, officially speaking) is that there shouldn't be a compatibility issue inserting the new C car into the conversion set as it will have no propulsion. This way, they don't have to worry about resurrecting an out of date, out of production propulsion model... And as far as I know, they will be installing Alstom propulsion on the new 11 car sets coming in in the next year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted January 23, 2012 Share #524 Posted January 23, 2012 from what i understand (which is little, officially speaking) is that there shouldn't be a compatibility issue inserting the new c car into the conversion set as it will have no propulsion. This way, they don't have to worry about resurrecting an out of date, out of production propulsion model... And as far as i know, they will be installing alstom propulsion on the new 11 car sets coming in in the next year. now do you believe me!? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted January 24, 2012 Share #525 Posted January 24, 2012 7500s? Even if it was just for clearance testing, why that set? why not just run the converted R142a (R188) set instead? Re: R142A at Willets Point - Quote from the well known Mr. Chiasson Jr. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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