RTS4Life Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share #251 Posted December 16, 2013 New York’s Civil Service System: The One in Three Rule By Cynthia Devasia, Esq. Many State and Local government jobs are part of the competitive class of the Civil Service and can only be filled by candidates who succeed on civil service examinations. In 1883, New York became the first state to establish a Civil Service system. As mandated by the state constitution, this system was created to make sure that government jobs were given to individuals based on their “merit” and “fitness” for a position, rather than based on who they know. Thus, New York State and its local governments administer open, competitive examinations designed to find the most qualified applicants for competitive class civil service positions. Competitive examinations are also administered for purposes of promotions as well. Positions in other civil service classifications, such as the non-competitive, exempt and labor class, do not require competitive examinations. Over the years, there has been some controversy in the administration of the Civil Service system. Legal challenges to appointments or promotions have been brought over improper test administration and grading, and discrimination grounds. One of the biggest issues concerns the Civil Service Law provision known as the “rule of three” or “one in three” rule (“One in Three Rule”). Civil Service Law Section 61 allows public employers to choose individuals for appointment or promotion from the top three scores from an Eligible List. An Eligible Lists is the list of candidates who have passed civil service examinations, identified in order by their test score and from which State and Local agencies will hire or promote employees. The Civil Service uses a scoring methodology that first calculates a raw score (i.e. the number of questions correctly answered by a candidate), and then creates a band scoring table which groups the raw scores within certain ranges in the same band. As a result, all eligible individuals falling within a particular scoring band will tie for the same rank. In promotional examinations, typically, seniority credits will be applied to the raw score before a band score is applied. Veteran’s credits are also added in open-competitive and promotional exams after the score band is applied. The rationale of the One in Three Rule is to allow employers to consider factors other than test scores when making appointment and promotions. However, many argue that the One in Three Rule actually undermines the fairness of the Civil Service system. As a result of score banding, often an employer is given a large number of people, not just the three top individual scorers, to choose from. Some say that the Rule allows for abuse by an employer who is given too much discretion and can pass over the highest scoring candidate in favor of someone who scored lower. In the case of promotional exams, the Rule has been described as encouraging an employer to pick favorites amongst top scorers. Anyone making a civil service challenge to a missed appointment or promotion based on a competitive exam, should also keep the One in Three Rule in mind. Because the public employer is granted the discretion to choose among the top three scores, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumacell Posted December 17, 2013 Share #252 Posted December 17, 2013 Thx for the Info. Never new that @RTS4Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTS4Life Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share #253 Posted December 17, 2013 no problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumacell Posted December 21, 2013 Share #254 Posted December 21, 2013 This maybe nothing. But exam 2301 was for Brooklyn and Queens bus depots and exam 3101 was for Bronx and Manhattan if I'm not mistaken. But I notice that when I went to take the exam 2301 my test Proctor was a female lady who had an ID card and it said MabSTOa on it and when I went to take exam 3101 again another test Proctor had her ID card which says she worked for MabOSTA. My point being if these two tests are for two different Depots why was MABOSTA administering both test. Wouldn't each depot administer their own test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express Bus Operator Posted December 21, 2013 Share #255 Posted December 21, 2013 This maybe nothing. But exam 2301 was for Brooklyn and Queens bus depots and exam 3101 was for Bronx and Manhattan if I'm not mistaken. But I notice that when I went to take the exam 2301 my test Proctor was a female lady who had an ID card and it said MabSTOa on it and when I went to take exam 3101 again another test Proctor had her ID card which says she worked for MabOSTA. My point being if these two tests are for two different Depots why was MABOSTA administering both test. Wouldn't each depot administer their own test. Just different agency but same process through mta headquarters. So if you filled out 3101 application, You will be hired for Mabstoa agency which covers manhattan and bronx division. Exam 2301 was for Mta Bus agency, which you will be hired for that agency. Each application pool is for a certain agency division in mta. Regardless who was there on the day of the exam, it still gets process through mta corperate level. Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumacell Posted December 21, 2013 Share #256 Posted December 21, 2013 Cool Thanks for the reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumacell Posted December 31, 2013 Share #257 Posted December 31, 2013 Just got my CDL permit Today. As I'm looking at the temporary license they gave me i noticed that it say CDL class B with a passenger endorsement and it has restriction on it ( A3*B*K ) what does it mean and will it affect me if I happen to get a call for B/O position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bravo659 Posted January 1, 2014 Share #258 Posted January 1, 2014 you cdl must have passenger endorsement class b with no restrictions your letter clearly state that. It may affect you on the hiring process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express Bus Operator Posted January 1, 2014 Share #259 Posted January 1, 2014 That restriction may be for corrective lens which will not effect you from being hired. Alot of drivers wear glasses, as long you can see the letters and number they ask you to read during medical check Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterKhem Posted January 1, 2014 Share #260 Posted January 1, 2014 When I first got my license, there was a code reference on the back of the paper permit receipt that explained what the restrictions are for. You could also try looking on the DMV website. That should help. L1 stood for not being eligible to drive with airbrakes on a Class A CMV. It may have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dre87 Posted January 1, 2014 Share #261 Posted January 1, 2014 L1 is air brakes for class A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumacell Posted January 1, 2014 Share #262 Posted January 1, 2014 @DueceDrives your right B- is for Corrective Lens A3- is for Municipal / School operation Only K- is for CDL Intrastate. But regardless it still has restrictions which they may make an issue out of. @Bravo659 I highly doubt that would affect me for wearing glasses. the other 2 is what i'm worried about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Posted January 1, 2014 Share #263 Posted January 1, 2014 what is the meaning of when you get APPOINTED??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumacell Posted January 1, 2014 Share #264 Posted January 1, 2014 Enlighten us as to what APPOINTED means, because as far as I can remember I've Had corrective lens restriction on my regular NYD DL for 19yrs now and that was with me even on my learners permit. Then other 2 restriction are irrelevant because the purpose of me getting the license was to drive a bus which I have a class B CDL and P endorsement for passenger . So why make it a restriction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bravo659 Posted January 1, 2014 Share #265 Posted January 1, 2014 @Pumacell, i doubt that too but you said your restriction is A3 that's the restriction you cannot have on your license. I really dont understand why DMV used those codes maybe depends on the test you took and the score of it. I mean why DMV would place such a restriction on your permit? The letter states no restriction, hope it will not affect you. Wish you the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumacell Posted January 1, 2014 Share #266 Posted January 1, 2014 Thx same to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrenity Posted January 1, 2014 Share #267 Posted January 1, 2014 The B restriction is not an issue at all as long as you pass the medical eye exam which tests you with and without your lens I still can't understand why I've heard folks failed the exam without lenses which is crazy because if your required to wear glasses or contacts you won't ever be without them anyhow, I wear corrective lenses and I was appointed with that B restriction on my license and cdl permit. The other 2 restrictions I have no Knowledge of So I Can't Speak on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express Bus Operator Posted January 1, 2014 Share #268 Posted January 1, 2014 The B restriction is not an issue at all as long as you pass the medical eye exam which tests you with and without your lens I still can't understand why I've heard folks failed the exam without lenses which is crazy because if your required to wear glasses or contacts you won't ever be without them anyhow, I wear corrective lenses and I was appointed with that B restriction on my license and cdl permit.The other 2 restrictions I have no Knowledge of So I Can't Speak on them. Yeah i agree I wear contacts too. Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumacell Posted January 1, 2014 Share #269 Posted January 1, 2014 The A3 restriction is for municipal and schoolbus operation only the K restriction is only for intrastate commercial driving only. My question is why are they restriction if that what the permit is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olegkha Posted January 3, 2014 Share #270 Posted January 3, 2014 You have A3 because you did not submit medical form to the DMV, it does not matter, MTA has their own medical , you CAN have A3, dont wory about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express Bus Operator Posted January 3, 2014 Share #271 Posted January 3, 2014 You have A3 because you did not submit medical form to the DMV, it does not matter, MTA has their own medical , you CAN have A3, dont wory about it. Good information to know, is it regular medical check up? Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumacell Posted January 3, 2014 Share #272 Posted January 3, 2014 @Olegkha Thx for the heads up. If what your saying is is true then i can rest a little bit easy. When that time comes i hope they don't give me a hard time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olegkha Posted January 3, 2014 Share #273 Posted January 3, 2014 Here is the form that they are looking for in order to remove A3 http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/safetyprograms/Medical-Examiners-Certificate.pdf If you only drive for MTA, you do not this form, and A3 restriction is OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dre87 Posted January 3, 2014 Share #274 Posted January 3, 2014 U need that medical to get ya medical card so u can get 19-a certified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumacell Posted January 4, 2014 Share #275 Posted January 4, 2014 @Olegkha Good looking with that link . THX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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