Lawrence St Posted June 4, 2022 Share #2676 Posted June 4, 2022 3 hours ago, B35 via Church said: I get that 100% of the #10 is served by the #119, but you cannot justify having the #194 & the #197 operating closed door within New Jersey..... This would only apply to routes that are replicated by other local routes along segments. Another example; the 127 when the 83 serves the exact same stops. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkm07302 Posted June 4, 2022 Share #2677 Posted June 4, 2022 10 hours ago, Lawrence St said: This would only apply to routes that are replicated by other local routes along segments. Another example; the 127 when the 83 serves the exact same stops. I have to disagree on the 83/127. Most of the time people are taking it to walmart or the light rail at 49th street. I usually go out there a lot and if I miss the 83, I know the 127 will come. Or if the 83 looks crowded, i'll hop on the 127. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 4, 2022 Share #2678 Posted June 4, 2022 9 hours ago, Lawrence St said: This would only apply to routes that are replicated by other local routes along segments. Another example; the 127 when the 83 serves the exact same stops. Why couldn't this have been said in that prior post, instead of "All New York lines should be pickup or drop off only."? Words have meaning. With that said, it leaves much to be desired that you suggest splitting the #83 into 3 different routes and have #127's operate closed door... You don't appear to realize that NJT compartmentalizes service levels along certain corridors with the service supplied for their interstate routes & the service supplied for their intrastate routes.... The fact of the matter is that NJT has a separate network for their interstate routes & a separate network for their intrastate routes.... So this notion of having the interstate routes operate closed door in their *main* state of operation, takes service away from those (intrastate) passengers.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted June 5, 2022 Share #2679 Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) Yeah, agreed that the clarification makes a difference (even though I don't agree with it in either case). The interstate and intrastate routes that he's referring to aren't entirely paralleling each other either within NJ. On top of that, the local routes also tend to have shit headways & service span. Tremendous disservice to intrastate riders. Even if intrastate ridership isn't that large on a particular route, I still wouldn't do it (since it barely affects the schedule). The very first things that I thought about when I saw @Lawrence St suggestion was, what happens with Blvd East, and what happens with routes like the 114 (which have an overwhelming majority of their runtimes operating local service in NJ & have short-turns within the state)? Edited June 5, 2022 by BM5 via Woodhaven 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted June 5, 2022 Share #2680 Posted June 5, 2022 10 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said: Yeah, agreed that the clarification makes a difference (even though I don't agree with it in either case). The interstate and intrastate routes that he's referring to aren't entirely paralleling each other either within NJ. On top of that, the local routes also tend to have shit headways & service span. Tremendous disservice to intrastate riders. Even if intrastate ridership isn't that large on a particular route, I still wouldn't do it (since it barely affects the schedule). The very first things that I thought about when I saw @Lawrence St suggestion was, what happens with Blvd East, and what happens with routes like the 114 (which have an overwhelming majority of their runtimes operating local service in NJ & have short-turns within the state)? That depends on the route. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 5, 2022 Share #2681 Posted June 5, 2022 11 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said: Yeah, agreed that the clarification makes a difference (even though I don't agree with it in either case). The interstate and intrastate routes that he's referring to aren't entirely paralleling each other either within NJ. On top of that, the local routes also tend to have shit headways & service span. Tremendous disservice to intrastate riders. Even if intrastate ridership isn't that large on a particular route, I still wouldn't do it (since it barely affects the schedule). The very first things that I thought about when I saw @Lawrence St suggestion was, what happens with Blvd East, and what happens with routes like the 114 (which have an overwhelming majority of their runtimes operating local service in NJ & have short-turns within the state)? It's an idea I seen brought up before in the past & I don't agree with it in any case.... To concur with something like that, exudes a lack of understanding of how the concurrent sub-networks works within the entire NNJ network.... NJ's hands are tied, being that it's RR network, for lack of a better term, absolutely f***ing sucks.... Probably doesn't exist, but I am curious to see a breakdown (raw number or percentage, doesn't matter to me) of how many interstate riders vs. how many intrastate riders the interstate lines garner (including the Camden-Philly area routes).... I have a bit of a mental note for a decent amount of 'em, but of course that's not concrete.... FWIW, for starters, we know what that percentage breakdown is for routes like the #193, #321, and the #355 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkm07302 Posted June 5, 2022 Share #2682 Posted June 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Lawrence St said: That depends on the route. I don't think it should. I get the #10 and #119 somewhat but still don't like it. But other routes such as the #83 and #127 would be dumb. That's like saying it should happen to the #89 and #126 since they connect together except for the new york stop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 5, 2022 Share #2683 Posted June 5, 2022 2 hours ago, dkm07302 said: I don't think it should. I get the #10 and #119 somewhat but still don't like it. But other routes such as the #83 and #127 would be dumb. That's like saying it should happen to the #89 and #126 since they connect together except for the new york stop. That would be another example of what he means when he says "This would only apply to routes that are replicated by other local routes along segments." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted June 6, 2022 Share #2684 Posted June 6, 2022 (edited) delete Edited June 6, 2022 by 46Dover 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted June 6, 2022 Share #2685 Posted June 6, 2022 The guy I picked up in West Milford on the 197 who wanted to go to Spring Valley wished there was a local connection. Oof. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted June 6, 2022 Share #2686 Posted June 6, 2022 7 hours ago, dkm07302 said: I don't think it should. I get the #10 and #119 somewhat but still don't like it. But other routes such as the #83 and #127 would be dumb. That's like saying it should happen to the #89 and #126 since they connect together except for the new york stop. Where do the #89 and #126 share the same routing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jass Posted June 6, 2022 Share #2687 Posted June 6, 2022 On 6/2/2022 at 9:44 AM, nightmare402 said: ah ur talking about the bayhead directs Yes, previous summers they would run express that was 30 minutes faster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted June 6, 2022 Share #2688 Posted June 6, 2022 19 hours ago, Lawrence St said: Where do the #89 and #126 share the same routing? Pretty much the whole way till the 126 splits off to nyc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkm07302 Posted June 7, 2022 Share #2689 Posted June 7, 2022 3 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said: Pretty much the whole way till the 126 splits off to nyc Exactly, which is why that idea of his sounds ridiculous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted June 7, 2022 Share #2690 Posted June 7, 2022 7 hours ago, jass said: Yes, previous summers they would run express that was 30 minutes faster *puts on tinfoil hat* perhaps the Jeresy Shore residents forced NJT to cancel those runs to make it harder for residents from certain North Jersey cities to get to Jersey Shore designations, etc. On the news a couple weeks ago there was damn near a riot in Long Branch and for some odd reason the media pointed out that most of the people that was there took NJ Transit there from points north. Also since that incident NJCL runs don't show up on google departure anymore which is interesting timing I must say.. I don't think Jersey Shore residents want certain North Jersey residents in their town... so make the service trash to get down there. Just my conspiracy theory lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted June 12, 2022 Share #2691 Posted June 12, 2022 Why are all of CUSA’s 119 signs broken? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go25 Posted June 12, 2022 Share #2692 Posted June 12, 2022 On 6/5/2022 at 2:06 PM, B35 via Church said: It's an idea I seen brought up before in the past & I don't agree with it in any case.... To concur with something like that, exudes a lack of understanding of how the concurrent sub-networks works within the entire NNJ network.... NJ's hands are tied, being that it's RR network, for lack of a better term, absolutely f***ing sucks.... Probably doesn't exist, but I am curious to see a breakdown (raw number or percentage, doesn't matter to me) of how many interstate riders vs. how many intrastate riders the interstate lines garner (including the Camden-Philly area routes).... I have a bit of a mental note for a decent amount of 'em, but of course that's not concrete.... FWIW, for starters, we know what that percentage breakdown is for routes like the #193, #321, and the #355 As far as the railroad goes, NJT Rail Ops are still dealing with the Christie budget fallout as well as post Sandy fiasco. Trust me on that one 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightmare402 Posted June 16, 2022 Share #2693 Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) XD's made a debut on the 119 since earlier but this will be the last trip as it will head back to meadowlands. Also Greenville Nabi's also on the 10 and 119 Edited June 16, 2022 by nightmare402 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightmare402 Posted June 16, 2022 Share #2694 Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) 20897, 20894 and 20907 is on the 119 to bayonne Edited June 16, 2022 by nightmare402 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLiu15 Posted June 16, 2022 Share #2695 Posted June 16, 2022 https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/at-least-13-hurt-in-crash-involving-nj-transit-bus-and-car/3273593/?fbclid=IwAR2S2ZoWEhp5oWTe1rmAUR5gO-Him_hoorOrXUMywlQ-HkIMv7FnxXUZL_g Looks like 18016 involved in a major accident. Wonder if this can still be fixed or if the bus is done... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted June 17, 2022 Share #2696 Posted June 17, 2022 4 hours ago, nightmare402 said: 20897, 20894 and 20907 is on the 119 to bayonne So that explain why i seen Mcis today on both the 125 and 123...meadow and green took over the 10 and 119 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted June 17, 2022 Share #2697 Posted June 17, 2022 2 hours ago, JLiu15 said: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/at-least-13-hurt-in-crash-involving-nj-transit-bus-and-car/3273593/?fbclid=IwAR2S2ZoWEhp5oWTe1rmAUR5gO-Him_hoorOrXUMywlQ-HkIMv7FnxXUZL_g Looks like 18016 involved in a major accident. Wonder if this can still be fixed or if the bus is done... That’s now the fifth 18XXX bus that’s down. Wth??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted June 17, 2022 Share #2698 Posted June 17, 2022 Speaking of the 119 and gate changes https://www.njtransit.com/service-advisory/1522067 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCTransitFilms Posted June 17, 2022 Share #2699 Posted June 17, 2022 10 hours ago, JLiu15 said: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/at-least-13-hurt-in-crash-involving-nj-transit-bus-and-car/3273593/?fbclid=IwAR2S2ZoWEhp5oWTe1rmAUR5gO-Him_hoorOrXUMywlQ-HkIMv7FnxXUZL_g Looks like 18016 involved in a major accident. Wonder if this can still be fixed or if the bus is done... 8 hours ago, Lawrence St said: That’s now the fifth 18XXX bus that’s down. Wth??? What is even going on with Township buses. They gotten into like 3 or 4 accidents now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCTransitFilms Posted June 17, 2022 Share #2700 Posted June 17, 2022 13 hours ago, nightmare402 said: 20897, 20894 and 20907 is on the 119 to bayonne I saw a pic of an XD40 on the 119 earlier. Thought I was seeing things at first lol. Isn’t NJT suppose to take the 10 and 119 back this weekend or next weekend? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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