darkstar8983 Posted June 21 Share #4001 Posted June 21 48 minutes ago, CyclonicTrainLookout said: During the weekend of July 19-22, are rerouted to/from Jamaica Center on the due to CBTC work on the Hillside Av Line: Planned - Part Suspended In Queens, no between Briarwood and Jamaica-179 St Jul 19 - 22, Fri 11:30 PM to Mon 5:00 AM runs between Coney Island-Stillwell Av and Briarwood, and via the to/from Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer. Free shuttle buses provide alternate service between Kew Gardens-Union Tpke and Jamaica-179 St. Transfer between and free shuttle buses at Kew Gardens-Union Tpke or Briarwood. If you’re making another bus connection during your trip, please ask for a GO ticket from the station agent at Kew Gardens-Union Tpke. What's happening? We're modernizing signals along the Queens Blvd Line At this point, I’d end the at 71 Av, since Jamaica Center would be in continuous use every 6 minutes combined headway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted June 22 Share #4002 Posted June 22 5 hours ago, PMac18 said: The can’t catch a break on weekends. There has been consistently reduced and modified service almost every weekend for the last couple months that is still continuing through the end of next month as it stands. They should have held off on touting the new “6 minute headways” when it only runs normal weekend service half the time. The runs every 20 minutes under these circumstances, even when the is locked out of Brooklyn (like this weekend) or when the also sees cuts (to every 12 minutes, which is already uncomfortably long). The gets off comparatively easy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted June 22 Share #4003 Posted June 22 1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said: At this point, I’d end the at 71 Av, since Jamaica Center would be in continuous use every 6 minutes combined headway. It's a bit close, but that's within Jamaica Center's capacity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMac18 Posted June 22 Share #4004 Posted June 22 58 minutes ago, Lex said: The runs every 20 minutes under these circumstances, even when the is locked out of Brooklyn (like this weekend) or when the also sees cuts (to every 12 minutes, which is already uncomfortably long). The gets off comparatively easy. True, it’s way too long. Should have clarified I’m referring to Bronx customers, myself included, which get the 16 minute headways due the alternate trains also terminating at 3Av on weekends. Their reasoning for the cut always seems to say something like “because the and are sharing a track in Manhattan.” Does it really cause that much a bottleneck on a weekend schedule? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted June 22 Share #4005 Posted June 22 6 minutes ago, PMac18 said: True, it’s way too long. Should have clarified I’m referring to Bronx customers, myself included, which get the 16 minute headways due the alternate trains also terminating at 3Av on weekends. Their reasoning for the cut always seems to say something like “because the and are sharing a track in Manhattan.” Does it really cause that much a bottleneck on a weekend schedule? In the early '80s the ran every 10 minutes on Saturdays and every 12 minutes on Sundays when it ran it's full route from Dyre to Bowling Green. That was a rarity for me. Track work, demolition and construction of Unionport and East 180th St. yard and the barns limited that. There were times that East 180th was the terminal but 149thSt-Grand Concourse gradually became the norm. Usually the backups happened upstairs at the Concourse because trains had to be cleaned out and relayed just north of the station. The middle track was always occupied by an " office train" where the crews, supervision and switchmen were all located. In an emergency that train could be utilized to replace a n/b train that had a problem. When I worked the we only shared the track with the unless there was a problem on the local track. It never bothered me. My experience. Carry on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted June 22 Share #4006 Posted June 22 18 hours ago, Lex said: It's a bit close, but that's within Jamaica Center's capacity. Ohh okay. I mention it because when the has been sent up to 96 St-2 Av, it’s service frequency was cut to every 15 minutes because they didn’t want too many trains at 96 St, or when the both were sent to Ditmars Blvd due to the train GOs (both routes cut to 12 minute headways), so I thought it was a weekend terminal rule thing, where operations doesn’t want a high frequency terminal for the entirety of the weekend 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted June 23 Share #4007 Posted June 23 Astoria's layout results in lower capacity, given how far the train needs to go to clear the interlocking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted June 24 Share #4008 Posted June 24 (edited) 9 hours ago, Kamen Rider said: Astoria's layout results in lower capacity, given how far the train needs to go to clear the interlocking. That part I understand, which is why the can only run 15 TPH out of Ditmars Blvd during rush hours, but I was talking about why on weekends when supplemental Astoria service must be provided that they don’t provide more than 8 TPH (or use the express track at 39 Av to turn equipment around if they don’t want to send empty trains to Ditmars Blvd during train GOs) anyways my question just had to do with weekend terminal operations in general when a terminal has to provide service for a secondary line that normally doesn’t serve it - why it doesn’t operate as frequently as it could technically could in a weekday service operation? I thought it had to do with something besides not wanting to overload the switch and wear it out by using it that often for an extended period, or is it something else. examples - to 96 St Station during train closures - Now the when it gets rerouted to Dyre Av, the gets cut back, but in previous GOs, both the stayed on the Dyre Av branch when White Plains Road was closed - during the Clark St closure, the shared south ferry terminal every 8 minutes each route (combined 4-min headway) but now when Clark St is closed, the is cut from 6 mins to 8 mins and the is cut from 8 mins to 12 minutes. - countless others Edited June 24 by darkstar8983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted June 24 Share #4009 Posted June 24 1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said: - to 96 St Station during train closures In addition to certain logistical issues (possible rolling stock availability, more certain crew availability), that has to dive directly between the and . 1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said: - Now the when it gets rerouted to Dyre Av, the gets cut back, but in previous GOs, both the stayed on the Dyre Av branch when White Plains Road was closed Not only is weekend service more frequent than weekend service, but short-turning the on both ends saves money by reducing crew and rolling stock demands, even if it only seems slight. 1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said: - during the Clark St closure, the shared south ferry terminal every 8 minutes each route (combined 4-min headway) but now when Clark St is closed, the is cut from 6 mins to 8 mins and the is cut from 8 mins to 12 minutes. Are you certain that's not happening in tandem with work that forces all trains (that includes trains) to share a track somewhere? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted June 24 Share #4010 Posted June 24 48 minutes ago, Lex said: In addition to certain logistical issues (possible rolling stock availability, more certain crew availability), that has to dive directly between the and . Not only is weekend service more frequent than weekend service, but short-turning the on both ends saves money by reducing crew and rolling stock demands, even if it only seems slight. Are you certain that's not happening in tandem with work that forces all trains (that includes trains) to share a track somewhere? 1. For the and the to Dyre Av scenarios, thanks for clarifying 2. For the to South Ferry comment however, in those scenarios, the only GOs on 7 Av are: - normal service pattern but reduced service - reduced service frequency - East 180 St to 34 St Penn Station normal service, local south of 34 St via the to south ferry and service from E180 St swapped with the to Dyre Av - E180 St to Bowling Green normal service pattern, then extended to Flatbush via local in Brooklyn and service north of E180’St swapped with the to Wakefield-241 St (service every 8 minutes) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted June 29 Share #4011 Posted June 29 So for three straight weekends, Trains will terminate at 137th Street. The usual shuttle bus services will be in place for July 13-15, 20-22, and 27-29. At the same time, stairways at City College are being narrowed temporarily for those weekends to continue construction to place elevators in that station. In Upper Manhattan and the Bronx, no Trains between 137 St-City College and Van Cortlandt Park-242 St Jul 13 - 15, Jul 20 - 22 and Jul 27 - 29, Sat 12:15 AM to Mon 5:00 AM runs between South Ferry and 137 St-City College, the last stop. Free shuttle buses run along four routes making stops on the line: 1. Broadway between 242 St and 215 St, connecting with the at Inwood-207 St 2. St Nicholas Av between 191 St and 168 St. Free transfers for M3 service. 3. Broadway between 168 St-Washington Hts and 137 St-City College. 4. Dyckman St between and stations late nights only. Use M100 days/evenings. Use for service to/from nearby stations in Washington Heights. Note: During this time, the is running local in both directions between 168 St and 59 St-Columbus Circle For 207 St, use the Bx12 bus via transfer at Inwood-207 St . Transfer between and at 59 St-Columbus Circle Transfer between and buses at 137 St-City College Transfer between and Shuttle buses at the 168 St-Washington Hts or 207 St stations 137 St-City College Station ongoing construction Jul 13 - 15, Jul 20 - 22 and Jul 27 - 29, Sat 12:15 AM to Mon 5:00 AM Because of ongoing construction at this station, the stairways have been temporarily narrowed as we work on making this station accessible. More people will exit at this station because of planned work on the line. Expect some crowding and follow the direction of MTA personnel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted June 29 Share #4012 Posted June 29 On 6/21/2024 at 6:50 PM, darkstar8983 said: At this point, I’d end the at 71 Av, since Jamaica Center would be in continuous use every 6 minutes combined headway. I won’t be surprised if there’s a G.O that hasn’t been listed yet with the being suspended or truncated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted June 30 Share #4013 Posted June 30 On 6/21/2024 at 2:13 PM, PMac18 said: The can’t catch a break on weekends. There has been consistently reduced and modified service almost every weekend for the last couple months that is still continuing through the end of next month as it stands. They should have held off on touting the new “6 minute headways” when it only runs normal weekend service half the time. Both the and on weekends should have remained 8 minutes. The is gonna continue to do General Orders as well as flagging (the latter of which meaning work under traffic despite not being a full closure) during off peak hours for many more decades to come anyways. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted July 1 Share #4014 Posted July 1 (edited) Wrong thread, disregard. Edited July 1 by BM5 via Woodhaven 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyclonicTrainLookout Posted July 5 Share #4015 Posted July 5 On 6/21/2024 at 6:00 PM, CyclonicTrainLookout said: During the weekend of July 19-22, are rerouted to/from Jamaica Center on the due to CBTC work on the Hillside Av Line: Planned - Part Suspended In Queens, no between Briarwood and Jamaica-179 St Jul 19 - 22, Fri 11:30 PM to Mon 5:00 AM runs between Coney Island-Stillwell Av and Briarwood, and via the to/from Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer. Free shuttle buses provide alternate service between Kew Gardens-Union Tpke and Jamaica-179 St. Transfer between and free shuttle buses at Kew Gardens-Union Tpke or Briarwood. If you’re making another bus connection during your trip, please ask for a GO ticket from the station agent at Kew Gardens-Union Tpke. What's happening? We're modernizing signals along the Queens Blvd Line This GO has been removed from the site and will not happen apparently 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted July 6 Share #4016 Posted July 6 Wasn’t there suppose to be a G.O where the would run to 18th Av? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted July 8 Share #4017 Posted July 8 (edited) The Church Av work for the has been postponed up to August 5th. https://new.mta.info/press-release/mta-details-upgrades-church-av-subway-station-improve-accessibility-and-safety Edited July 8 by Calvin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted July 9 Share #4018 Posted July 9 While there is an internal schedule for it that I found, STILL not listed for the public service changes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted July 28 Share #4019 Posted July 28 Quote Planned - Part Suspended In Manhattan, no between 59 St-Columbus Circle and Inwood-207 St Aug 12 - 16, Mon to Fri, 11:30 PM to 5:00 AM runs between Queens and 59 St-Columbus Circle, the last stop. Free shuttle buses run along two routes: 1. Between 168 St and 110 St, connecting with the at Cathedral Pkwy (110 St) 2. Dyckman St between and stations Note: No service between 161 St-Yankee Stadium and 34 St-Herald Sq during this time. What's happening? Track maintenance Quote Planned - Part Suspended No between 34 St-Herald Sq, Manhattan and 161 St-Yankee Stadium, Bronx Aug 12 - 16, Mon to Fri, 11:30 PM to 5:00 AM runs in two sections: 1. Coney Island-Stillwell Av and 34 St-Herald Sq 2. 161 St-Yankee Stadium and Norwood-205 St Free shuttle buses provide service along two routes: 1. On St Nicholas Ave making stops at 155 St, 145 St, and 125 St and connecting with the at Cathedral Pkwy (110 St) or 168 St 2. Between 161 St-Yankee Stadium and 155 St For service between Manhattan and the Bronx, take the . Note: No service between Inwood-207 St and 59 St-Columbus Circle during this time. What's happening? Track maintenance This is rather interesting, well maybe not as interesting since this is happening during late night hours. I guess what makes this interesting is that they are completely suspending service for the north of 59 St entirely rather than doing they they would normally do and have shuttle service run between Inwood-207 St to 168 St at least. I would also say the getting shafted to run to 34 St-Herald Square instead of going to 59 St, but considering there's no service at all up north, I guess this is one way to compensate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted July 29 Share #4020 Posted July 29 6 hours ago, Vulturious said: This is rather interesting, well maybe not as interesting since this is happening during late night hours. I guess what makes this interesting is that they are completely suspending service for the north of 59 St entirely rather than doing they they would normally do and have shuttle service run between Inwood-207 St to 168 St at least. I would also say the getting shafted to run to 34 St-Herald Square instead of going to 59 St, but considering there's no service at all up north, I guess this is one way to compensate. They have done this as Fastrack in the past several times. Only difference is the ending at 34th Street instead of 59 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted August 25 Share #4021 Posted August 25 The heck…? How can both of these be possible? Quote In Brooklyn, runs local in both directions between DeKalb Av and 36 St Aug 24 - 25, Sat and Sun, all day Schedule reminder: Late night service runs local in Brooklyn. What's happening? We're replacing tracks Quote In Brooklyn, Manhattan-bound runs local from 59 St to DeKalb Av Aug 24 - 25, Sat and Sun, all day Schedule reminder: Late night also runs local between these stations. What's happening? We're replacing tracks When I rode the to Brooklyn yesterday, it was express along the entire stretch of 4 Avenue. What puzzled me was seeing the across the platform on the local track at 36 Street. What highly localized segments of track are they working on that the whole stretch of southbound express track is available along 4 Avenue but only the can’t use it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted August 25 Share #4022 Posted August 25 1 hour ago, CenSin said: The heck…? How can both of these be possible? When I rode the to Brooklyn yesterday, it was express along the entire stretch of 4 Avenue. What puzzled me was seeing the across the platform on the local track at 36 Street. What highly localized segments of track are they working on that the whole stretch of southbound express track is available along 4 Avenue but only the can’t use it? Southbound trains are running express from Atlantic to 59th. The track layout forces anything running express from 36th to 59th to also run express from Atlantic and 36th, so presumably the actual work on the southbound local track is between 36th and 59th, and the is just running local southbound to serve Union, 9th, Prospect and 25th. Northbound, presumably work is somewhere between 36th and Dekalb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted August 26 Share #4023 Posted August 26 11 hours ago, Mysterious2train said: The track layout forces anything running express from 36th to 59th to also run express from Atlantic and 36th I swear some parts of the system are in need of the Culver’s recent Kings Highway and Church Avenue treatment… Stretches of tunnel with nothing in between the tracks in a lot of places (presumably provisions for switches), and some of those places appear to be excellent replacements for the status quo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted September 2 Share #4024 Posted September 2 So some interesting things are happening from September 27-30. On the MTA's website: Jamaica bound train arrive on the (as the MTA states) express track at Essex St The is not running between 8 Av and Lorimer St at all No changes to the The is not running between 96 St and Prospect Park at all The reason why this is interesting is because there's no changes for the at all as stated above. The states the as an alternative and the same for the , but the is getting tracks replaced. So there seems to be some miscommunication, either the is not receiving track replacement or there is no extra service extending the to 96 St at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted September 2 Share #4025 Posted September 2 3 hours ago, Vulturious said: So some interesting things are happening from September 27-30. On the MTA's website: Jamaica bound train arrive on the (as the MTA states) express track at Essex St The is not running between 8 Av and Lorimer St at all No changes to the The is not running between 96 St and Prospect Park at all The reason why this is interesting is because there's no changes for the at all as stated above. The states the as an alternative and the same for the , but the is getting tracks replaced. So there seems to be some miscommunication, either the is not receiving track replacement or there is no extra service extending the to 96 St at all. I wonder if there is also work on the section of track the used between Essex and Broadway-Lafayette. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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