B35 via Church Posted December 4, 2016 Share #4226 Posted December 4, 2016 Honestly Kings Plaza has more than enough buses, their small little bus terminal is quite filled to the brim with B41's & B46's I agree..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted December 4, 2016 Share #4227 Posted December 4, 2016 The only reason I had the B103 come from this Canarsie depot its terminal wasn't too far. Another reason why was a certain member said, "no depot owns a route" (I was thinking of the Q32 and and the pending merger between NYCT and MTAB). I'm still scratching my head on why SC is a Queens division depot, not a Brooklyn division depot. And please somebody put the B7 back to FLA or ENY. Anyway, I'm feeling this B80 idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted December 4, 2016 Share #4228 Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) Yeah, I've been critical of a Bay Ridge - JFK route & have said that a (second) JFK route should run no further west than Midwood/Madison/whatever commercial Kings Hwy. (by the brighton line) is considered.... Those 2 (Future FLA & Lara8710) came up with an actual routing for such a service; something I never bothered to do because to be quite honest, I don't have a second Brooklyn-LGA route as a priority in the grand scheme of things (when it comes to what needs to be fixed when it comes to the bus network in this borough).... Which goes back to the whole Bay Ridge-JFK thing.... Which is why I've been quiet this whole time about that route of theirs; it boils down to indifference..... Have it come down to a "gun to my head" decision though, I will say that I'd incorporate their "B80" over any extension of the B35 to JFK (BrooklynBus)..... Edited December 4, 2016 by B35 via Church 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted December 4, 2016 Share #4229 Posted December 4, 2016 The running time for this route will be very smooth when it's implemented, and with the right marketing of the B80LTD/SBS to JFK via Midwood, Flatlands, Canarsie and East New York there are options available for those who want a 1 seat ride to the airport. .... for another post is to implement a NEW South Brooklyn route to Kings Plaza. Although South Brooklyn is plagued with traffic problems. Putting a route along 65th street, Avenue P and other wide intersections in Brooklyn to Kings Plaza would be best fesable than ones suggested for JFK. ..... What I find constructing this Brooklyn Transportation grid is that it can be tough at times. Not just only to find the right routes for connection, but also understanding navigation in Brooklyn these days is really difficult, and making things easier is not so easy. Kings Plaza is already at capacity, so I instead chose to utilize a B31 extension to Shore Road and Mackay Place via Bay Ridge Avenue and 70th Street west of Bay Parkway rather than running it straight on 65th Street. 65th Street lies too close to the train and the B9 bus four blocks to the north. Also, routing it on Bay Ridge Avenue eastbound and 70th Street westbound means the bus can readily serve the train at the 71st Street station. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted December 5, 2016 Share #4230 Posted December 5, 2016 Kings Plaza is already at capacity, so I instead chose to utilize a B31 extension to Shore Road and Mackay Place via Bay Ridge Avenue and 70th Street west of Bay Parkway rather than running it straight on 65th Street. 65th Street lies too close to the train and the B9 bus four blocks to the north. Also, routing it on Bay Ridge Avenue eastbound and 70th Street westbound means the bus can readily serve the train at the 71st Street station. 65th is a much better routing for this bus that Bay Ridge Av and 70th Street, two one way residential streets with massive double parking problems... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted December 5, 2016 Share #4231 Posted December 5, 2016 Yeah, I've been critical of a Bay Ridge - JFK route & have said that a (second) JFK route should run no further west than Midwood/Madison/whatever commercial Kings Hwy. (by the brighton line) is considered.... Those 2 (Future FLA & Lara8710) came up with an actual routing for such a service; something I never bothered to do because to be quite honest, I don't have a second Brooklyn-LGA route as a priority in the grand scheme of things (when it comes to what needs to be fixed when it comes to the bus network in this borough).... Which goes back to the whole Bay Ridge-JFK thing.... Which is why I've been quiet this whole time about that route of theirs; it boils down to indifference..... Have it come down to a "gun to my head" decision though, I will say that I'd incorporate their "B80" over any extension of the B35 to JFK (BrooklynBus)..... .. The LGA to Brooklyn bus route is a bit difficult to come by just simply because of traffic issues. Also, the Brooklyn Transportation grid is a bit confusing and complex to the point you can't really pull anything for LGA. The transportation network is a bit better for JFK. Plus. areas like Midwood, Canarsie, and East New York can use an efficient 1 seat ride to JFK. Right now in the current climate of things it's a bit easier to build the Brooklyn transportation network from Midwood up to East New York only due to traffic. I remember mentioning a South Brooklyn bus network to Kings Plaza.. I understand the claustrophobic of buses within the Flatbush depot of the B41 and B46 serves KP.. However, these buses don't share a bus lane.. What I've should of mentioned earlier this (Sunday) was that this South Brooklyn to Kings Plaza bus was to end on Avenue U right by the B47 and B3 bus stops with a possible extension to Bergen Beach- East 74th Street and Avenue U. Where the current B3 terminates. Kings Plaza is already at capacity, so I instead chose to utilize a B31 extension to Shore Road and Mackay Place via Bay Ridge Avenue and 70th Street west of Bay Parkway rather than running it straight on 65th Street. 65th Street lies too close to the train and the B9 bus four blocks to the north. Also, routing it on Bay Ridge Avenue eastbound and 70th Street westbound means the bus can readily serve the train at the 71st Street station. If you extend the B31, than the bus route would possibly belong to Ulmer Park or Jackie Gleason. It's very RARE you see a FB depot bus working in Bay Ridge. Now that you have the B1 working a mis-management route heading into Brooklyn from Staten Island, and its by FLATBUSH according to the grapevine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted December 5, 2016 Share #4232 Posted December 5, 2016 .. The LGA to Brooklyn bus route is a bit difficult to come by just simply because of traffic issues. Also, the Brooklyn Transportation grid is a bit confusing and complex to the point you can't really pull anything for LGA. The transportation network is a bit better for JFK. Plus. areas like Midwood, Canarsie, and East New York can use an efficient 1 seat ride to JFK. Right now in the current climate of things it's a bit easier to build the Brooklyn transportation network from Midwood up to East New York only due to traffic. I remember mentioning a South Brooklyn bus network to Kings Plaza.. I understand the claustrophobic of buses within the Flatbush depot of the B41 and B46 serves KP.. However, these buses don't share a bus lane.. What I've should of mentioned earlier this (Sunday) was that this South Brooklyn to Kings Plaza bus was to end on Avenue U right by the B47 and B3 bus stops with a possible extension to Bergen Beach- East 74th Street and Avenue U. Where the current B3 terminates. If you extend the B31, than the bus route would possibly belong to Ulmer Park or Jackie Gleason. It's very RARE you see a FB depot bus working in Bay Ridge. Now that you have the B1 working a mis-management route heading into Brooklyn from Staten Island, and its by FLATBUSH according to the grapevine. I would suggest Ulmer Park; Jackie Gleason already has too many bus routes to accommodate another one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted December 5, 2016 Share #4233 Posted December 5, 2016 I would suggest Ulmer Park; Jackie Gleason already has too many bus routes to accommodate another one. Same here with Ulmer Park or I would keep it with current Flatbush due to Ulmer Park's space as they operate express buses. Whether we like it or not but the Brooklyn Transporation network is pretty much in trouble 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted December 5, 2016 Share #4234 Posted December 5, 2016 Same here with Ulmer Park or I would keep it with current Flatbush due to Ulmer Park's space as they operate express buses. Whether we like it or not but the Brooklyn Transporation network is pretty much in trouble Which means these bus routes need a new Canarsie Depot near the East 105th St station: B6, B8, B17, B42, B60, B80*, B82* *routes with artics 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted December 5, 2016 Share #4235 Posted December 5, 2016 Yeah, I've been critical of a Bay Ridge - JFK route & have said that a (second) JFK route should run no further west than Midwood/Madison/whatever commercial Kings Hwy. (by the brighton line) is considered.... Those 2 (Future FLA & Lara8710) came up with an actual routing for such a service; something I never bothered to do because to be quite honest, I don't have a second Brooklyn-LGA route as a priority in the grand scheme of things (when it comes to what needs to be fixed when it comes to the bus network in this borough).... Which goes back to the whole Bay Ridge-JFK thing.... Which is why I've been quiet this whole time about that route of theirs; it boils down to indifference..... Have it come down to a "gun to my head" decision though, I will say that I'd incorporate their "B80" over any extension of the B35 to JFK (BrooklynBus)..... Excuse me, but I do not remember what your objections were to my proposed extension of the B35 to JFK. What I proposed was that buses starting at McDonald be extended to JFK by turning from Church onto Linden at East 94 Street and only make two more stops. One at Cross Bay and one at JFK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted December 5, 2016 Share #4236 Posted December 5, 2016 Which means these bus routes need a new Canarsie Depot near the East 105th St station: B6, B8, B17, B42, B60, B80*, B82* *routes with artics I forgot to include the B6 in the artics 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interested Rider Posted December 5, 2016 Share #4237 Posted December 5, 2016 I appreciate the large amount of interest in extending routes and creating new bus routes in Brooklyn but the issue remains where is the space to put the buses that will run on the new or extended routes? This is the reason I say count me as a supporter of the Canarsie Depot for a lot of reasons with the best one being its location in an industrial area away from the complainers. Anywhere in most of Brooklyn with the exception of the pier area in the 40's and 50's a project such as this would bring out the litigators in full force who will tie up the project for eons. There is no question that another depot is needed as there is virtually no space in the other depots at this time. Now is the time for the MTA to take the ball and run with it on getting the funds to build this garage before the special interests try to kill it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted December 5, 2016 Share #4238 Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) If you guys want more efficient bus service in Brooklyn, get involved with communities whether amongst yourselves or other neighborhoods and press the . We know the ins and outs of the system more than the general public. Why do you think VG8 and his neighborhoods are on top of their express bus service so much? Whenever he encounters issues, he gets on it by means of email, meetings, etc. Edited December 5, 2016 by S78 via Hylan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted December 5, 2016 Share #4239 Posted December 5, 2016 I appreciate the large amount of interest in extending routes and creating new bus routes in Brooklyn but the issue remains where is the space to put the buses that will run on the new or extended routes? This is the reason I say count me as a supporter of the Canarsie Depot for a lot of reasons with the best one being its location in an industrial area away from the complainers. Anywhere in most of Brooklyn with the exception of the pier area in the 40's and 50's a project such as this would bring out the litigators in full force who will tie up the project for eons. There is no question that another depot is needed as there is virtually no space in the other depots at this time. Now is the time for the MTA to take the ball and run with it on getting the funds to build this garage before the special interests try to kill it. Perfectly well said. Interested rider! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted December 6, 2016 Share #4240 Posted December 6, 2016 Excuse me, but I do not remember what your objections were to my proposed extension of the B35 to JFK. What I proposed was that buses starting at McDonald be extended to JFK by turning from Church onto Linden at East 94 Street and only make two more stops. One at Cross Bay and one at JFK. You're excused. Did not realize it was this big secret on here, but I do not concur with any extension of the B35 to JFK..... Having it start from McDonald over Sunset Park doesn't make one lick of difference to me..... Neither does minimalizing the amount of stops such a route would make.... If you guys want more efficient bus service in Brooklyn, get involved with communities whether amongst yourselves or other neighborhoods and press the . We know the ins and outs of the system more than the general public. Why do you think VG8 and his neighborhoods are on top of their express bus service so much? Whenever he encounters issues, he gets on it by means of email, meetings, etc. Said neighborhoods have stronger political backing..... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted December 6, 2016 Share #4241 Posted December 6, 2016 Can anyone come up with a design for a Canarsie Depot decal? I'll be more than happy to see it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted December 6, 2016 Share #4242 Posted December 6, 2016 Which means these bus routes need a new Canarsie Depot near the East 105th St station: B6, B8, B17, B42, B60, B80*, B82* *routes with artics I didn't notice that you added the B6 to this. I will accept the B6 in this line up. Canarsie Depot - Routes. UPDATED: B6, B7, B8, B17, B20, B42, B47, B60, B80, B82, B84. Artics: B6, B80, B82. .... Let me know if this is good Q44. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDNQ2345 Posted December 6, 2016 Share #4243 Posted December 6, 2016 I didn't notice that you added the B6 to this. I will accept the B6 in this line up. Canarsie Depot - Routes. UPDATED: B6, B7, B8, B17, B20, B42, B47, B60, B80, B82, B84. Artics: B6, B80, B82. .... Let me know if this is good Q44. What about the bus fleet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted December 6, 2016 Share #4244 Posted December 6, 2016 What about the bus fleet? Standards and Artics for this depot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted December 6, 2016 Share #4245 Posted December 6, 2016 I didn't notice that you added the B6 to this. I will accept the B6 in this line up. Canarsie Depot - Routes. UPDATED: B6, B7, B8, B17, B20, B42, B47, B60, B80, B82, B84. Artics: B6, B80, B82. .... Let me know if this is good Q44. Splendid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDNQ2345 Posted December 6, 2016 Share #4246 Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) So standard it gonna be Orion vii ng/og hybrid, xd40, and lfs and atric gonna be xd60 and LFSA Edited December 6, 2016 by BDNQ2345 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted December 6, 2016 Share #4247 Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) Can anyone come up with a design for a Canarsie Depot decal? I'll be more than happy to see it.This is one key thing we're missing for our proposed facility... Edited December 6, 2016 by Q44SBS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted December 6, 2016 Share #4248 Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) So standard it gonna be Orion vii ng/og hybrid, xd40, and lfs and atric gonna be xd60 and LFSA Yes. A good mixture of those of the standards. Artic: Preference- LFSA's. Since they do good in Brooklyn. Hence- FB. Edited December 6, 2016 by Future ENY OP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted December 6, 2016 Share #4249 Posted December 6, 2016 If you guys want more efficient bus service in Brooklyn, get involved with communities whether amongst yourselves or other neighborhoods and press the . We know the ins and outs of the system more than the general public. Why do you think VG8 and his neighborhoods are on top of their express bus service so much? Whenever he encounters issues, he gets on it by means of email, meetings, etc. When it comes to Central Brooklyn and Southeast Brooklyn issues including Canarsie and East New York it's all about the right person who is willing to believe in this proposal and move it correctly with the MTA chain to have good bus service in Brooklyn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted December 7, 2016 Share #4250 Posted December 7, 2016 You're excused. Did not realize it was this big secret on here, but I do not concur with any extension of the B35 to JFK..... Having it start from McDonald over Sunset Park doesn't make one lick of difference to me..... Neither does minimalizing the amount of stops such a route would make.... Said neighborhoods have stronger political backing..... But you haven't provided a reason why you would oppose an extension to the B35. As far as providing route change suggestions to the MTA, I have found them to be totally unresponsive. I got a BS verbal excuse why a suggestion I made was not viewed favorably and when I challenged their logic, they just never replied again. I have followed up numerous times and they just ignored me. In fact, if you try to make a suggestion via email, Operations Planning instructed MTA email to respond with a blanket, "We cannot respond to suggestions." Even if you just submit a question to them, all you get is that it will be forwarded for a response and that response never comes no matter how many times you follow up. In the past, I have noticed if they like a suggestion, they will spend years studying it, sometines altering it so as to ruin the suggestion, never acknowledging it was something submitted to them, but passed off as their own suggestion. On the other hand, I have found Road Operations to be very responsive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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