Future ENY OP Posted November 29, 2016 Share #4201 Posted November 29, 2016 There's should be Multiple routes for buses to JFK (My answers below) Downtown Brooklyn to - JFK Via Atlantic Av Answer: LIRR to Jamaica. South Brooklyn/Coney Island to -JFK Via linden any ideas? SOUTH BROOKLYN has extreme traffic problems. Midwood to JFK is best feasible for this. Greenpoint/Williamsburg- JFK Via Metropolitan then via wood haven On the bus line. LIRR to Jamaica. Opinions?? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted November 29, 2016 Share #4202 Posted November 29, 2016 ENY and I jointly came up with a LTD-only route between Midwood and JFK to supplement the B15, pictured right here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qcKmOLc0lY-DctyIrmw-lg4CwJ8&usp=sharing There's should be Multiple routes for buses to JFK Downtown Brooklyn to - JFK Via Atlantic Av South Brooklyn/Coney Island to -JFK Via linden any ideas? Greenpoint/Williamsburg- JFK Via Metropolitan then via wood haven On the bus line. Opinions?? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app I would just extend the Midwood-JFK route ENY and I proposed toward Bensonhurst along the following streets: Avenue P, Stillwell Avenue, and 25th Avenue to Harway Avenue (current B3 terminal) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted November 29, 2016 Share #4203 Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) I would just extend the Midwood-JFK route ENY and I proposed toward Bensonhurst along the following streets: Avenue P, Stillwell Avenue, and 25th Avenue to Harway Avenue (current B3 terminal) My mistake. I meant Kings Highway, not Avenue P. Edited November 29, 2016 by Q44SBS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted November 29, 2016 Share #4204 Posted November 29, 2016 I would just extend the Midwood-JFK route ENY and I proposed toward Bensonhurst along the following streets: Avenue P, Stillwell Avenue, and 25th Avenue to Harway Avenue (current B3 terminal) Too long. Leave as is. The Kings Hwy- E.16th station, Coney Island Avenue routing is good enough. Why deviate from that and extend all the way out. That part of Brooklyn is prone to traffic. U did a good job on the initial road map of our possible B80 LTD discussion. Let's not go off route on that. I feel what needs to be done is a South Brooklyn- Crosstown to Kings Highway- East 16th Street or possibly to Kings Plaza. Have that run by Ulmer Park. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted November 29, 2016 Share #4205 Posted November 29, 2016 Too long. Leave as is. The Kings Hwy- E.16th station, Coney Island Avenue routing is good enough. Why deviate from that and extend all the way out. That part of Brooklyn is prone to traffic. U did a good job on the initial road map of our possible B80 LTD discussion. Let's not go off route on that. I feel what needs to be done is a South Brooklyn- Crosstown to Kings Highway- East 16th Street or possibly to Kings Plaza. Have that run by Ulmer Park. Since there's (still) no Canarsie Depot (yet), would the B80 LTD be based out of ENY Depot, assuming it gets artics? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted November 29, 2016 Share #4206 Posted November 29, 2016 Since there's (still) no Canarsie Depot (yet), would the B80 LTD be based out of ENY Depot, assuming it gets artics? Have it based either at East New York or Flatbush. I only say Flatbush since the deadhead is closer to KH/East 16th If at ENY- Deadhead to airport. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted November 30, 2016 Share #4207 Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) Have it based either at East New York or Flatbush. I only say Flatbush since the deadhead is closer to KH/East 16th If at ENY- Deadhead to airport. I would short turn some weekday B80 buses at Linden Boulevard and Drew Street and have it run as a split route between Flatbush Depot and ENY Depot. Buses running the full route between Midwood and JFK would be artics based at ENY, whereas buses short turning at Drew Street from Midwood would be standards based at Flatbush. How's that? Edited November 30, 2016 by Q44SBS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted November 30, 2016 Share #4208 Posted November 30, 2016 I would short turn some weekday B80 buses at Linden Boulevard and Drew Street and have it run as a split route between Flatbush Depot and ENY Depot. Buses running the full route between Midwood and JFK would be artics based at ENY, whereas buses short turning at Drew Street from Midwood would be standards based at Flatbush. How's that? That works perfectly.. This would be a good sell right there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted November 30, 2016 Share #4209 Posted November 30, 2016 That works perfectly.. This would be a good sell right there. Just one more question: How much time would a one-seat ride on the B80 take to travel the full route? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted November 30, 2016 Share #4210 Posted November 30, 2016 Just one more question: How much time would a one-seat ride on the B80 take to travel the full route? To: Kings Hwy-E.16th to Drew & vice versa Limited- Estimated time: 60 mins depending of traffic +/-10 mins for actual destination. To: Kings Hwy- E. 16th to Airport & vice versa Limited- Estimated time: 75 mins. depending of traffic +/- 10 mins for actual destination. Also for you: Besides Drew street. Which other short turns can be establish with this route.. For right now the other short turn that pops out of my head is Avenue H/Utica. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted November 30, 2016 Share #4211 Posted November 30, 2016 To: Kings Hwy-E.16th to Drew & vice versa Limited- Estimated time: 60 mins depending of traffic +/-10 mins for actual destination. To: Kings Hwy- E. 16th to Airport & vice versa Limited- Estimated time: 75 mins. depending of traffic +/- 10 mins for actual destination. Also for you: Besides Drew street. Which other short turns can be establish with this route.. For right now the other short turn that pops out of my head is Avenue H/Utica. What about short-turn trips between Drew Street/Linden Boulevard and Flatbush Avenue/Kings Highway? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted November 30, 2016 Share #4212 Posted November 30, 2016 What about short-turn trips between Drew Street/Linden Boulevard and Flatbush Avenue/Kings Highway? 35-40 mins. Depending on traffic. +/ - 10 mins. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted December 1, 2016 Share #4213 Posted December 1, 2016 To: Kings Hwy-E.16th to Drew & vice versa Limited- Estimated time: 60 mins depending of traffic +/-10 mins for actual destination. To: Kings Hwy- E. 16th to Airport & vice versa Limited- Estimated time: 75 mins. depending of traffic +/- 10 mins for actual destination. Also for you: Besides Drew street. Which other short turns can be establish with this route.. For right now the other short turn that pops out of my head is Avenue H/Utica. About how much money do you think the MTA would have to spend on a Midwood-JFK route? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted December 1, 2016 Share #4214 Posted December 1, 2016 About how much money do you think the MTA would have to spend on a Midwood-JFK route? Anywhere in the neighborhood of 10-15 million dollars. Which includes labor, bus markings, marketing and etc for this limited route 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted December 1, 2016 Share #4215 Posted December 1, 2016 Anywhere in the neighborhood of 10-15 million dollars. Which includes labor, bus markings, marketing and etc for this limited routeLimited stops = less bus markings = less money wasted putting up bus stops compared to local bus routes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted December 1, 2016 Share #4216 Posted December 1, 2016 I think the MTA puts up bus shelters willy nilly and it just leads to loitering->wasted time for buses. Its as if they dont take ridership into consideration. Many bus shelters are useless because either the last stop is really close or no one even gets on the bus there. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted December 1, 2016 Share #4217 Posted December 1, 2016 I think the MTA puts up bus shelters willy nilly and it just leads to loitering->wasted time for buses. Its as if they dont take ridership into consideration. Many bus shelters are useless because either the last stop is really close or no one even gets on the bus there. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app And what gave you that conclusion? I also don't understand why bus shelters that are near the end of the route aren't relevant? Quite frankly the more bus shelters the better. The only thing I wish they had was better coverage from the rain. The openness of them doesn't keep you as dry as they should. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted December 1, 2016 Share #4218 Posted December 1, 2016 Anywhere in the neighborhood of 10-15 million dollars. Which includes labor, bus markings, marketing and etc for this limited routeAfter a certain amount of time operating as a LTD, I think it would be beneficial to eventually convert it into a SBS route. How's that? It worked on the Q70... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted December 1, 2016 Share #4219 Posted December 1, 2016 After a certain amount of time operating as a LTD, I think it would be beneficial to eventually convert it into a SBS route. How's that? It worked on the Q70... I'd definitely put it up for SBS consideration. This line has great potential for what we've mentioned on here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted December 2, 2016 Share #4220 Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) I'd definitely put it up for SBS consideration. This line has great potential for what we've mentioned on here.If the B80 ever becomes a SBS route, would it be ideal to have it make all B15 stops within JFK, or would it be better to have it serve only certain stops there? If you think only certain stops should be served within JFK, specify the locations that a B80 SBS would stop at. Edited December 2, 2016 by Q44SBS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted December 3, 2016 Share #4221 Posted December 3, 2016 If the B80 ever becomes a SBS route, would it be ideal to have it make all B15 stops within JFK, or would it be better to have it serve only certain stops there? If you think only certain stops should be served within JFK, specify the locations that a B80 SBS would stop at. Since I do alot of work at the airport. I can tell you (2 to 3) stops that can be used within the airport grounds for SBS. (Agree or Disagree of course) if need be. Option 1. - Terminal 5 - Federal Circle (Rental area) - Airtrain on Lefferts. (Southbound) to first stop... Drew Street // B14, B15, B20. Northbound - Airtrain on Lefferts - Building 14- PA - Terminal 5. Xfer: Q3, Q10. Option 2 Southbound - Terminal 5. xfer: Q3, Q10, B15 - Air Train on Lefferts than to first stop: Drew Street Northbound - Airtrain on Lefferts - Terminal 5 xfer: Q3, Q10, B15 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted December 3, 2016 Share #4222 Posted December 3, 2016 Since I do alot of work at the airport. I can tell you (2 to 3) stops that can be used within the airport grounds for SBS. (Agree or Disagree of course) if need be. Option 1. - Terminal 5 - Federal Circle (Rental area) - Airtrain on Lefferts. (Southbound) to first stop... Drew Street // B14, B15, B20. Northbound - Airtrain on Lefferts - Building 14- PA - Terminal 5. Xfer: Q3, Q10. Option 2 Southbound - Terminal 5. xfer: Q3, Q10, B15 - Air Train on Lefferts than to first stop: Drew Street Northbound - Airtrain on Lefferts - Terminal 5 xfer: Q3, Q10, B15 Sounds like a plan. Now riders would have a faster trip within JFK. Meanwhile, the B15 and Q10 already provide enough service to local customers there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted December 3, 2016 Share #4223 Posted December 3, 2016 Option 1. - Terminal 5 - Federal Circle (Rental area) - Airtrain on Lefferts. (Southbound) to first stop... Drew Street // B14, B15, B20. Northbound - Airtrain on Lefferts - Building 14- PA - Terminal 5. Xfer: Q3, Q10. I like Option 1 better, as it serves Federal Circle, an important airport parking spot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted December 4, 2016 Share #4224 Posted December 4, 2016 I like Option 1 better, as it serves Federal Circle, an important airport parking spot. The running time for this route will be very smooth when it's implemented, and with the right marketing of the B80LTD/SBS to JFK via Midwood, Flatlands, Canarsie and East New York there are options available for those who want a 1 seat ride to the airport. .... for another post is to implement a NEW South Brooklyn route to Kings Plaza. Although South Brooklyn is plagued with traffic problems. Putting a route along 65th street, Avenue P and other wide intersections in Brooklyn to Kings Plaza would be best fesable than ones suggested for JFK. ..... What I find constructing this Brooklyn Transportation grid is that it can be tough at times. Not just only to find the right routes for connection, but also understanding navigation in Brooklyn these days is really difficult, and making things easier is not so easy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted December 4, 2016 Share #4225 Posted December 4, 2016 Honestly Kings Plaza has more than enough buses, their small little bus terminal is quite filled to the brim with buses. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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