N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted August 13, 2012 Share #726 Posted August 13, 2012 They have the provisions for Phase 2, it probably will only be half as expensive as Phase 1... Well some tunnels exist already so i guess so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share #727 Posted August 13, 2012 I can see why they can't finish the first two phases by 2020 . . . money. Yes, the same thing that stopped construction of the SAS the first two times. Money stopped the previous attempts because there was not enough motivation to build it and something else more urgent could always be found. Tunnel segments were scarce and were scattered. Now that so much of first phase has been completed, the possibility of a Governor Christie-style cancellation is practically nil. When this phase is successfully completed, enough existing tunnel segments are available north to spur further construction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q10 Airport Posted August 14, 2012 Share #728 Posted August 14, 2012 They have the provisions for Phase 2, it probably will only be half as expensive as Phase 1... I still feel like we've seen this twice before (when they stopped construction the first two times). Maybe I'm being too pessimistic, but I just won't believe it until I see it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted August 21, 2012 Share #729 Posted August 21, 2012 this thread going to be more active for a bit since there explosion rock 72 street today. media said the people was horrified and complaining for ling time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted August 21, 2012 Share #730 Posted August 21, 2012 Tunnels north on second Ave are built, yes. But money will be needed to renovate or rebuild it depending if they maintained it these last 30+ years. So phase 2 may not be necessarily cheaper. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted August 21, 2012 Share #731 Posted August 21, 2012 I highly doubt they were maintained. So the only step they need to skip is the TBM, but who knows? At least something was done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted August 24, 2012 Share #732 Posted August 24, 2012 (edited) This is an article from about 2 months ago: Source: The MTA Wants to Deny the Bronx a New Subway | Suite101.com I was under the impression that a station at 125 Street and 2 Avenue wasn't possible due to the water or impediment to future extension to the Bronx. Any comments? HA SUCKERS. NO TO BEDFORD PARK BOULEVARD YOU FOAMERS. But seriously, until we see a drastic reason to put a subway in the Bronx, I am in full agreement. Why waste money on something you don't need? Edited August 24, 2012 by Brighton Express 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted August 24, 2012 Share #733 Posted August 24, 2012 HA SUCKERS. NO TO BEDFORD PARK BOULEVARD YOU FOAMERS. But seriously, until we see a drastic reason to put a subway in the Bronx, I am in full agreement. Why waste money on something you don't need? Who needs more service to Bedford Park Boulevard anyway you take the or the up that's it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 24, 2012 Share #734 Posted August 24, 2012 Have you been on the Bx15 or the Bx41?????? Those routes are SLAMMED, so don't sit up here and say that the Bronx doesn't need a new subway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted August 24, 2012 Share #735 Posted August 24, 2012 (edited) Have you been on the Bx15 or the Bx41?????? Those routes are SLAMMED, so don't sit up here and say that the Bronx doesn't need a new subway. Alternatives are and any other bus routes that pass Bedford Park Boulevard. Edited August 24, 2012 by N4 Via Merrick Rd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 24, 2012 Share #736 Posted August 24, 2012 Alternatives are and any other bus routes that pass Bedford Park Boulevard. Guess what? Those alternatives are ALSO slammed, so that's not an excuse either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted August 24, 2012 Share #737 Posted August 24, 2012 Guess what? Those alternatives are ALSO slammed, so that's not an excuse either. And by slammed... you mean??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 24, 2012 Share #738 Posted August 24, 2012 And by slammed... you mean??? FULL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted August 24, 2012 Share #739 Posted August 24, 2012 FULL. Either way the will get full too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 24, 2012 Share #740 Posted August 24, 2012 Either way the will get full too. Well that's at least 12 more trains to put people on, so that will help. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted August 24, 2012 Share #741 Posted August 24, 2012 The 125 still stop I'm assuming is to provide an immediate connection to Lex Ave since anything north probably won't come in our lifetimes. Phase 2 by 2020? For that to happen, construction has go start now. Like, right now. Since the design phase can take a couple of years alone, that ain't happening. The money factor is a HUGE factor. Phase 1 is already paid for. When they gather the money for phase 2, that's when the process will begin. Personally, my prediction for phase one opening in spring of 2017. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted August 24, 2012 Share #742 Posted August 24, 2012 Guess what? Those alternatives are ALSO slammed, so that's not an excuse either. Then why don't they have the Express anymore? And why does the run Local in the Bronx with the exception of rush hours? It ain't that slammed if thats what is going down. And the is not going to the Bronx. Atleast in our lifetime. Get over it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 24, 2012 Share #743 Posted August 24, 2012 Then why don't they have the Express anymore? And why does the run Local in the Bronx with the exception of rush hours? It ain't that slammed if thats what is going down. And the is not going to the Bronx. Atleast in our lifetime. Get over it. Do you realize that the express skipped EVERY STOP except for Burnside? That wouldn't help at all, and the runs local in the Bronx because there is no 4th express track. The can go to the Bronx in our lifetime, the just needs to advocate for the funds... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted August 24, 2012 Share #744 Posted August 24, 2012 (edited) Do you realize that the express skipped EVERY STOP except for Burnside? That wouldn't help at all, and the runs local in the Bronx because there is no 4th express track. The can go to the Bronx in our lifetime, the just needs to advocate for the funds... Well someone did not do their homework, or should I say knows absolutely NOTHING about the . The track maps don't mean shit. If the ran Express the way you say it, might as well have the , better known modern-days as the , come back. Credit to KTrainExp for this map. And the can run Express in the Bronx, in the peak direction easily. Just like what they do to all of those trains via the line. But the would be going to Bedford Park Blvd all times, that should be assumed primarily. There is absolutely no need for the in the Bronx. You make it sound like the Bronx has ridership off the charts. I am sure the would have already taken action if there was the kind of ridership you talk about. Edited August 24, 2012 by Brighton Express 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCtrainfan01 Posted August 25, 2012 Share #745 Posted August 25, 2012 I'm going to have to agree with Threxx.... While the is not really in dire need in the BX, It will certainly help out here.... The failed due to the fact that it skipped stops that were usually packed with people.... Had there been more stations like Burnside (Two island platforms) it would have certainly worked.... Buses around Beford do infact get packed.... Ex: The Bx1, Bx2, Bx10, Bx26, Bx28 and the Bx34... This is coming from a guy who frequents the area.... I do think the should come up here... At least during rush... I know that will give an issue with the though.... express is pathetic up here.... I'd say we should focus on the first phase of the SAS for now... Worry about the BX when the time comes.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 25, 2012 Share #746 Posted August 25, 2012 The Grand Concourse line has some evidence that it was originally planned to be a 4-tracked line. There might be provisions for it too, but the only clue that shows is the platform arrangement at the lower level of the 145 Street station. The lower level was built like that cuz it lines up easier with the upper level which was built first. What you're referring to is that 4th track north of 167 St 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted August 25, 2012 Share #747 Posted August 25, 2012 I'm going to have to agree with Threxx.... LMFAO I'd say we should focus on the first phase of the SAS for now... Worry about the BX when the time comes.... Ok, this I will accept. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted August 25, 2012 Share #748 Posted August 25, 2012 (edited) Im not gonna lie, the one thing I'm excited the most about the completion of Phase one is how the 63rd-Lexington Ave Station will be like. I've gotten used to since 91 of a two track two level station. Now they're will be an across the platform transfer. And I just realized that may reduce crowding on the R from Queens. Some riders will get on the F when they can and transfer for Broadway express at 63rd. Who says the sas can't help if it doesn't leave Manhattan? LOL! Edited August 25, 2012 by Far Rock Depot 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted August 27, 2012 Share #749 Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) I'm going to have to agree with Threxx.... While the is not really in dire need in the BX, It will certainly help out here.... The failed due to the fact that it skipped stops that were usually packed with people.... Had there been more stations like Burnside (Two island platforms) it would have certainly worked.... Buses around Beford do infact get packed.... Ex: The Bx1, Bx2, Bx10, Bx26, Bx28 and the Bx34... This is coming from a guy who frequents the area.... I do think the should come up here... At least during rush... I know that will give an issue with the though.... express is pathetic up here.... I'd say we should focus on the first phase of the SAS for now... Worry about the BX when the time comes.... It's too bad the MTA isn't considering converting Bedford Park into an "express" stop. By extending the southbound platform over the southbound local track and rerouting the southbound local track to the outside of the southbound platform (sort of a "reverse image" of the layout at Willets Point ), they could have another station where trains on all three tracks can platform. And with Bedford Park being a major transfer point, it might justify the existence of a service. Plus, the land west of the station is occupied by Concourse Yard, so it's MTA property. Edited August 27, 2012 by T to Dyre Avenue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted August 28, 2012 Share #750 Posted August 28, 2012 Too bad the 161st stop was renovated. Imo, that should've been an express stop and would be a better way of handling the additional load of riders going to and leaving the stadium. As for the (maybe have a 1 of every 3 or 4 trains be express to keep the local riders satisfied), I think they could've kept a few empty (or Manhattan only trains) to help split the load b/w the Bronx riders and those from 125th to 42nd st. I just hope 86th starts to become just bearable with phase 1 of the SAS opening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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