Second Avenue Subway Discussion

[NX Express]

In this case (2 Av line to 125 St) it's not possible, since there would be nowhere for the trains to go once they hit 125 St. If there were a yard there, sure, it would work. Without one, it's impossible.

[Far Rock Depot]

BTW, heres a few pics from friday at the 63rd/Lex station. I always knew that if SAS was ever built, the wall on the platform side was coming down, but i never expected the whole station to get gutted!

 

 

 

 

The last remaining 'red' i could find at the time:

[VWM]

Lex-63 just looks so much worse. And to think I used to like that station...

[GojiMet86]

Damn, that was quick!

[NX Express]

Let's see what they put to replace the red tiles.

[Brighton Express]

I have never seen that side of Lexington Av/63 St, I always noticed the bricks. I guess now I know why everyone thinks that it is a terrible station now.

[Mysterious2train]

You're still looking at the same old side of the station as always, it's just that the red tiles on all sides have been removed, not just on the side of the new platform. The new platform is sealed off by those blue construction walls.

Edited June 18, 2012 by Mysterious2train

[Far Rock Depot]

It's not really a newplatform behind the wall. It was always there just without the tiles.

[R110B]

its back to its roots before the 1960s tiles .

[Trainmaster5]

It's not impossible. It's just a whole lot easier to do before the line opens than it would be after the fact. Besides, that's exactly how the Sixth Avenue express tracks came to be. The local tracks were installed adjacent to the PATH tracks between 34th Street and W 4th Street in the 1930s. The express tracks were built in the '60s underneath the PATH tracks as well as the local 6th Avenue ones.

 

It's not impossible but look at the costs and delays we've had with this pared down SAS already.Now add the cost of a TBM and underpinning to the mix. Billions of dollars more in cost and the express tracks of the SAS will end up costing more than the present project IMO AND take longer to complete.

[Guest Lance]

Oh I know that. I was simply speaking on the feasibility of such an idea, not that it would obviously cost more than the line is costing right now. That's why I said that it's easier to build a bi-leveled line when it's done from the get go and not as an afterthought.

[BrooklynIRT]

How frequently are they going to run the during rush hours once phase I is complete? Every 4 minutes as opposed to 6? Are they going to be running the at that point as well or after they complete another phase? I forgot whether they will have a place to terminate the once phase one is done; it does not appear that they do. How frequently will that line run?

[Threxx]

How frequently are they going to run the during rush hours once phase I is complete? Every 4 minutes as opposed to 6? Are they going to be running the at that point as well or after they complete another phase? I forgot whether they will have a place to terminate the once phase one is done; it does not appear that they do. How frequently will that line run?

 

 

The won't start until phase 3 is completed, if ever. Houston Street & Hannover Sq can be used as terminals in Phase 3 & 4.

[Threxx]

I think Phase 3 and 4 should be constructed the way the 8th Avenue line is north of 59th Street. It won't cost that much more, and the space is there for future express tracks. 72nd Street & 125th Street would be express stations, they would be single level.

[Grand Concourse]

@ those 63rd-Lex pics, wow! Sure looks a lot different without the false walls. I kinda liked it and hope they are reassembled somewhere else. Even those orange tiles/bricks would've been nice than the bland white tiles at Wall St.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

How would the trains get back to where they came from? There's no yard on either end of the line.

 

Probably they are gonna put in Trains from Coney Island Yard and/or Piktin Yard and put in these trains from Grand Street and then go to Harlem and continue running round trips the full route.

[VWM]

I believe there will,be a yard at 125 Stepreet and the will be most likely R179s or R212s

[Threxx]

I believe there will,be a yard at 125 Stepreet and the will be most likely R179s or R212s

 

 

As the resident grammar nazi, I must correct this post:

 

I believe there will be a yard at 125th Street and the will most likely by R179's or R211's.

 

And no, it's based out of Jamaica b/c there is a connection to 63rd Street in the plans. Why build a new yard?

[Grand Concourse]

You are both getting ahead of yourselves. Phase 2 isn't even in its construction phase. Plus a yard doesn't have to be big, there's the 137th st yard for the . I don't see why the SAS phase 1&2 would need to store trains all the way over at JYd.

Edited July 2, 2012 by Grand Concourse

[VWM]

 

 

As the resident grammar nazi, I must correct this post:

 

I believe there will be a yard at 125th Street and the will most likely by R179's or R211's.

 

And no, it's based out of Jamaica b/c there is a connection to 63rd Street in the plans. Why build a new yard?

 

 

Ugh. Getting Cars to the every day from Jamaica sounds mucky. And for my grammar is mucky, blame autocorrect not working when I want it to and vice versa.

[Far Rock Depot]

There will be lay up tracks west of the 125th station, and north of the turn at 2nd Ave and 125th. If you go thru the documentation about sas on the mta website, they state what yards and lay ups trains will use.

[Brighton Express]

Any news on the 2 Av Subway?

[Guest Lance]

If there was, it would've been posted.

[Brighton Express]

Ok smarty. You got me. 2020.

[6 Lexington Ave]

Here's some news:

The MTA seems to have dramatically cut the amount of visible dust from construction of the first phase of the Second Avenue subway but as with any major construction project, there are still complaints. NY1's Tina Redwine filed the following report.

 

There is still noise but NY1 recently found no visible dust being generated by construction of the Second Avenue subway.

That's a big change from back in April, when we easily found dust flying while debris was loaded onto trucks and transported uncovered.

"I'm glad that they're containing all the dust," said resident DeCarlo Wilson. "It's healthier. I have asthma so trust me, I am very, very glad with all these, what is it, refinements that they're doing."

Over the past several weeks, NY1 has seen contractors carefully transferring debris to dump trucks without creating any visible dust, police officers checking that trucks are covering their debris before heading out and workers hosing down construction sites.

But at Big Daddy's Diner, they say there's still plenty of dust. The dust may be invisible to the naked eye but a service technician told NY1 he is cleaning condensers at least once a week when, before construction, they needed cleaning just once a year.

"If it goes untreated, it could kill the unit," he said. "It'll overheat and the compressors could die. It's very costly."

The chef at Big Daddy's said there are other costs. He said business is down 75 percent.

A spokeswoman said the city forced them to shut down their outdoor cafe because the construction has taken up much of the sidewalk. And foot traffic is so low that they've had to close for breakfast.

"We have bright lights," said Julie Orchier of Branded Restaurants and Big Daddy's. "We have great signs. Our decoration is fun and festive. But people can't see it."

The MTA said things should improve soon, when it finishes the kind of blasting that causes most of the dust.

Big Daddy's isn't the only business up here feeling pain from the subway construction. Whether or not the construction is solely to blame, the Chamber of Commerce says more stores closed along Second Avenue this May than last. Meanwhile, vacancy rates have been improving on nearby Third and First Avenues.

Source:

http://www.ny1.com/c...till-struggling

Edited July 18, 2012 by 6 Lexington Ave