Unplanned Subway Service Changes

[alekr]

I think that they should send out shuttle buses by now since it still ongoing. The Brooklyn buses might be already packed.

[RollOver]

Just have the run in two sections and that's it:

 

1. Between 179 St and York St.

2. Between 4 Av-9 St and Stillwell Av.

 

Free shuttle buses can replace the between York St and 4 Av-9 St.

 

The remains suspended between Bedford-Nostrand or Hoyt-Schermerhorn and Church.

 

Free shuttle buses replace the between Bedford-Nostrand and Hoyt-Schermerhorn.

 

Plain and simple. The rest of the service changes (the reroutes of course) is what I see no point in doing, especially since those other lines will get affected by those reroutes. And it's pointless to have downtown trains make local stops between Canal and Atlantic.

Edited July 1, 2015 by RollOver

[CenSin]

The solution is pretty simple: local from DeKalb Avenue to 36 Street. The makes a cross-platform connection at Broadway–Lafayette Street, and has a transfer at 4 Avenue–9 Street. The is a pretty unattractive alternative, in my opinion, if it goes through lower Manhattan, and the is the less friendly alternative compared to the . There should be no reason to beef up service on a transfer station (Jay Street–MetroTech) that’s not as easy to use as Broadway–Lafayette Street.

 

Where there is room, the can squeeze into a service gap and run over the Manhattan Bridge, stopping at DeKalb Avenue ( to Jay Street–MetroTech), Atlantic Avenue–Barclays Center, Union Street, 9 Street ( to Smith–8 Streets or Coney Island), Prospect Avenue, 25 Street, 36 Street ( to 9 Avenue or Fort Hamilton Parkway—which can be an alternative to Church Avenue for some people), 45 Street, 53 Street, 59 Street, 8 Avenue, Fort Hamilton Parkway, New Utrecht Avenue, 18 Avenue, 20 Avenue, Bay Parkway (alternative to Avenue N and Avenue P), Kings Highway (alternative to Kings Highway), Avenue U (alternative to Avenue U), 86 Street (alternative to Avenue X), and Coney Island. The Sea Beach line is as close to the Culver line as you can get.

 

When trains are terminating at 2 Avenue or York Street, passengers should take the (4 Avenue local) at Broadway–Lafayette Street and transfer across the platform at Atlantic Avenue–Barclays Center or 36 Street for the or get off at 9 Street for the . Again, 9 Avenue and Fort Hamilton Parkway may be suitable alternatives to Church Avenue or Ditmas Avenue if they are heading to the area right in between both lines. Otherwise, the is the better choice for stations south of Bay Parkway.

 

That connection from 9 Avenue to Ditmas Avenue would have come in handy for times like this. The distance between 9 Avenue and Ditmas Avenue is similar to the distance between 36 Street and 59 Street. And the distance only becomes greater between the West End and Culver lines heading south.

[alekr]

Service is back to normal.

[Daniel The Cool]

Just have the run in two sections and that's it:

 

1. Between 179 St and York St.

2. Between 4 Av-9 St and Stillwell Av.

 

Free shuttle buses can replace the between York St and 4 Av-9 St.

 

The remains suspended between Bedford-Nostrand or Hoyt-Schermerhorn and Church.

 

Free shuttle buses replace the between Bedford-Nostrand and Hoyt-Schermerhorn.

 

Plain and simple. The rest of the service changes (the reroutes of course) is what I see no point in doing, especially since those other lines will get affected by those reroutes. And it's pointless to have downtown trains make local stops between Canal and Atlantic.

I hope you know you can't terminate trains at York Street.

[Abba]

How do they terminate at Jay then? I say run some to 2nd and others to Euclid and maybe suspend the

[trainfan22]

How do they terminate at Jay then? I say run some to 2nd and others to Euclid and maybe suspend the

On the Bergen Lower Level... but that was out so maybe on the spur between the Fulton Express tracks near Layette Av?

Edited July 2, 2015 by trainfan22

[Abba]

Isint there a crossover or something at York?

[MysteriousBtrain]

I hope you know you can't terminate trains at York Street.

Isint there a crossover or something at York?

Last I remembered there was a crossover right below York Street. But yeah I agree with Daniel here, let the have the connections at Jay Street and just use the for connections. service is actually minimal usage for riders. Want Coney Island service, look at the alternatives at Herald Square or Cross transfer at Bway-Lafayette.

[RollOver]

I hope you know you can't terminate trains at York Street.

Are you and Art Vandelay seriously telling me that there's no X diamond crossover switch south of York Street for trains to relay nor a crew room either?

 

How nonsensical. The signal problems were located at Jay Street-MetroTech. Where else do you think the should terminate then?

 

@Appa and trainfan22: Why affect the and instead of just leaving the problems isolated to the and ?

Edited July 2, 2015 by RollOver

[RollOver]

Last I remembered there was a crossover right below York Street. But yeah I agree with Daniel here, let the have the connections at Jay Street and just use the for connections. service is actually minimal usage for riders. Want Coney Island service, look at the alternatives at Herald Square or Cross transfer at Bway-Lafayette.

The signal problems were all located on the tracks between Jay and Bergen though, right? I mean you and anyone else here can support the reroutes, which in turn, delays the other lines that have nothing to do with the situation at hand, but as you know me very well in this site, I'm not going to. I'm keeping the problems isolated, unless you really have to reroute the line if there's no other options like a short turn where for example 2 Av and York St both offer, and I choose the latter.

[Fresh Pond]

Are you and Art Vandelay seriously telling me that there's no X diamond crossover switch south of York Street for trains to relay nor a crew room either?

 

How nonsensical. The signal problems were located at Jay Street-MetroTech. Where else do you think the should terminate then?

 

@Appa and trainfan22: Why affect the and instead of just leaving the problems isolated to the and ?

There is no crew room at York St. The crossover south of the station is controlled by the tower at Jay St.

 

Southbound trains can terminate there, but would have to turn around in the tunnel via the crossover. Northbound trains can just use the station itself on either track.

 

Depending on where the actual signal is that's giving the problems, turning trains back at York St would be a problem.

Edited July 2, 2015 by Fresh Pond

[Abba]

If it wasn't affecting traffic so much just turn all trains at Jay st/York and maybe some at 2nd ave. I want to know why it's so hard to turn trains at some stations like this.Regarding the was there any way for it to terminate at Hoyt-Schmerhorn? Maybe do a shuttle every 20 min.Better. Then nothing I say

Edited July 2, 2015 by Abba

[Daniel The Cool]

If it wasn't affecting traffic so much just turn all trains at Jay st/York and maybe some at 2nd ave. I want to know why it's so hard to turn trains at some stations like this.Regarding the was there any way for it to terminate at Hoyt-Schmerhorn? Maybe do a shuttle every 20 min.Better. Then nothing I say

Because Jay Street you have to relay at Bergen Street Lower Level and that section the power was loss. Just be glad it wasn't worst. I was there yesterday and amazingly, it wasn't that chaotic

[Tower18]

And it's pointless to have downtown trains make local stops between Canal and Atlantic.

 

I believe the point of rerouting the N local is to add additional 4th Av local service at Jay St to connect passengers to the F at 4th Av-9th St, not to get to Coney Island.  Transferring at Jay for the R (or N in this case) was the only way to connect the 2 sections of the F, and they probably figured R service alone was insufficient.

[Art Vandelay]

York could not handle close to what the F would be running, and would not provide a transfer for riders to continue to South Brooklyn. Split service is inevitable when a line as frequent as the F craps out in the middle of rush hour. The N had to be sent via Tunnel to handle the large number of riders from the transfer at Jay. Furthermore, the diverted Ns through Montague clear up Gold Street for the diverted Fs to fit through. 

I don't think there is a better way to handle what happened. If there was, said better way would have been what was done. 

Edited July 2, 2015 by Art Vandelay

[Art Vandelay]

There is no way to turn G trains at Hoyt. No way to turn F trains at York/Jay that could have handled even 1/3rd of the F. 

[RollOver]

Because Jay Street you have to relay at Bergen Street Lower Level and that section the power was loss. Just be glad it wasn't worst. I was there yesterday and amazingly, it wasn't that chaotic

 

And the only reason why you're even saying this is because "every other" 's were short turning at 2 Av or being sent via the to Coney Island and not just via the from Jay to Euclid. At the same time, "every other" 's were sent local via the tunnel to ease crowding at Jay.

 

I mean the runs 12-15 trains per hour during the rush, so they probably sent half of them to a different line (the ) and the other half to another different line (the ) as the themselves described and wrote yesterday on their website about the incident.

 

But anyway, I guess all they really wanted was to find an alternative way for trains to continue into South Brooklyn to avoid splitting the line into two sections due to the height of rush hour as Art Vandelay was pointing out above.

[alekr]

Service Change  Posted: 07/04/2015  6:06PM
 

Due to FDNY activity at Lexington Av/59 St, the following service changes are in effect:

trains are running on the line between 36 St (QNS) and Lexington Av/63 St in both directions.

Southbound trains will run on their normal path from 57 St-7 Av.

There is no train service between 57 St-7 Av and Queensboro Plaza in both directions.

Shuttle train service will be provided between Astoria-Ditmars Blvd and Queensboro Plaza in both directions.

, and trains are running with delays in both directions.

Allow additional travel time. 

 

Usually the would get knocked off at 57th street and no service toward Astoria. They are providing a shuttle service. The 60th street tunnel is having so many issues. They need to have a serious repair during the fastrack period. 

[Daniel The Cool]

And the only reason why you're even saying this is because "every other" 's were short turning at 2 Av or being sent via the to Coney Island and not just via the from Jay to Euclid. At the same time, "every other" 's were sent local via the tunnel to ease crowding at Jay.

 

I mean the runs 12-15 trains per hour during the rush, so they probably sent half of them to a different line (the ) and the other half to another different line (the ) as the themselves described and wrote yesterday on their website about the incident.

 

But anyway, I guess all they really wanted was to find an alternative way for trains to continue into South Brooklyn to avoid splitting the line into two sections due to the height of rush hour as Art Vandelay was pointing out above.

It's more than 15 trains per hour

[RollOver]

I was talking about the alone, not the combined headways with the other lines.

[Daniel The Cool]

I was talking about the alone, not the combined headways with the other lines.

I know it's still more than 15 though

[RtrainBlues]

With a few minor exceptions, the F leaves 179th every 5 minutes during afternoon rush-hours.  That's 12 trains per hour. 

[Art Vandelay]

F tops out at about 15 TPH. Was 18 TPH prior to 63rd opening IINM. 

[alekr]

Delays  Posted: 07/06/2015  4:04PM
 

Due to signal problems at Franklin Av, southbound  and trains are running with delays.

Allow additional travel time.

Delays  Posted: 07/06/2015  4:03PM
 

Due to switch problems at Franklin Av, and trains are running with delays in both directions.

Allow additional travel time.

 

Interesting. Signal and switch problems are occurring at the same spot.