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Remember I use the BxM1 along 3rd. Since they reconfigured traffic along that stretch, it flows much better. Once they finish redoing 59th, it should be even better.

It flows cause the traffic is split between traffic going north and traffic going on the bridge, luckily for you the BXM1 goes with the traffic going north. The QM bus on the other hand are not as lucky.

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It flows cause the traffic is split between traffic going north and traffic going on the bridge, luckily for you the BXM1 goes with the traffic going north. The QM bus on the other hand are not as lucky.

Yeah well part of the issue is those QM buses shouldn't be forced to come across via Central Park South. While 57th isn't great, 59th can be much worse. Edited by Via Garibaldi 8
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A crazy proposal to improve bus reliability in the Flushing area. Think about this more as a thought exercise than a serious proposal.

 

Q25 SBS: Runs from the Bronx Zoo to Jamaica, replacing the Q44. Northbound buses turn off of Kissena onto Barclay before heading north on Union, avoiding traffic on Main St. Southbound buses turn from Union onto Sanford, and then turn onto Kissena.

Q34A/B: Takes over College Point Q20A/B routing, via same routing as Q25 SBS.

 

By avoiding the mess on Main St, travel times should improve.

 

Q44 SBS: Northbound, turns off of Main St at 41st Av, before heading north on College Point Blvd, replacing Q65. Southbound, takes 41st Rd.

Q20: Follows same routing as Q44, then heads east on 35th before using current Q34 routing past Linden.

 

Also avoids Main St traffic, and serves Skyview shopping center and Flushing West.

 

Q65: Adopts current Q25 routing north of Northern.

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A crazy proposal to improve bus reliability in the Flushing area. Think about this more as a thought exercise than a serious proposal.

 

Q25 SBS: Runs from the Bronx Zoo to Jamaica, replacing the Q44. Northbound buses turn off of Kissena onto Barclay before heading north on Union, avoiding traffic on Main St. Southbound buses turn from Union onto Sanford, and then turn onto Kissena.

Q34A/B: Takes over College Point Q20A/B routing, via same routing as Q25 SBS.

 

By avoiding the mess on Main St, travel times should improve.

 

Q44 SBS: Northbound, turns off of Main St at 41st Av, before heading north on College Point Blvd, replacing Q65. Southbound, takes 41st Rd.

Q20: Follows same routing as Q44, then heads east on 35th before using current Q34 routing past Linden.

 

Also avoids Main St traffic, and serves Skyview shopping center and Flushing West.

 

Q65: Adopts current Q25 routing north of Northern.

Two major things that stand out here are.... 

1) Bronx to Queens bus travel revolves around the Q44. Selling Bronxites on a ride that is not a Q44 and on top of that runs along Kissena Blvd (a street most Bronxites couldn't even tell you exists) is likely not to work. 

2) Bus to bus transfers become a little more difficult. Now you'll be asking riders to walk across Main St at the junction with Kissena to transfer between Q44 and Q25 buses. What about a Q13/16/28 passenger seeking Q44 service?

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A crazy proposal to improve bus reliability in the Flushing area. Think about this more as a thought exercise than a serious proposal.

 

Q25 SBS: Runs from the Bronx Zoo to Jamaica, replacing the Q44. Northbound buses turn off of Kissena onto Barclay before heading north on Union, avoiding traffic on Main St. Southbound buses turn from Union onto Sanford, and then turn onto Kissena.

Q34A/B: Takes over College Point Q20A/B routing, via same routing as Q25 SBS.

 

By avoiding the mess on Main St, travel times should improve.

 

Q44 SBS: Northbound, turns off of Main St at 41st Av, before heading north on College Point Blvd, replacing Q65. Southbound, takes 41st Rd.

Q20: Follows same routing as Q44, then heads east on 35th before using current Q34 routing past Linden.

 

Also avoids Main St traffic, and serves Skyview shopping center and Flushing West.

 

Q65: Adopts current Q25 routing north of Northern.

Main St is the fastest route between Flushing an Jamaica. If the Q25 replaced the Q44 most buses would probably have 2hr runs and aven worse bunching on your Q25 than both the current routes have now.  

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A crazy proposal to improve bus reliability in the Flushing area. Think about this more as a thought exercise than a serious proposal.

 

Q25 SBS: Runs from the Bronx Zoo to Jamaica, replacing the Q44. Northbound buses turn off of Kissena onto Barclay before heading north on Union, avoiding traffic on Main St. Southbound buses turn from Union onto Sanford, and then turn onto Kissena.

Q34A/B: Takes over College Point Q20A/B routing, via same routing as Q25 SBS.

 

By avoiding the mess on Main St, travel times should improve.

 

Q44 SBS: Northbound, turns off of Main St at 41st Av, before heading north on College Point Blvd, replacing Q65. Southbound, takes 41st Rd.

Q20: Follows same routing as Q44, then heads east on 35th before using current Q34 routing past Linden.

 

Also avoids Main St traffic, and serves Skyview shopping center and Flushing West.

 

Q65: Adopts current Q25 routing north of Northern.

 

 

They should make Main St. just for buses, taxis and deliveries. Look at Fulton St. in downtown Brooklyn. Police and traffic enforcement need to enforce the bus lanes along the Q44sbs in flushing. 

 

Q65 should avoid Kissena blvd and Main St all together, keep the Q65 on Bowne st, turns onto Roosevelt ave stops behind the N20/21 continues on Roosevelt ave till College Pt Blvd  makes a right then goes into College Point.

 

Q34 should be extend to Francis Lewis Blvd via Willets Point Blvd instead of ending at 149st in Whitestone

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1)They should make Main St. just for buses, taxis and deliveries. Look at Fulton St. in downtown Brooklyn. Police and traffic enforcement need to enforce the bus        lanes along the Q44sbs in flushing. 

 

2)Q65 should avoid Kissena blvd and Main St all together, keep the Q65 on Bowne st, turns onto Roosevelt ave stops behind the N20G N20/21 continues on Roosevelt ave till College Pt Blvd  makes a right then goes into College Point.

 

3)Q34 should be extend to Francis Lewis Blvd via Willets Point Blvd instead of ending at 149 st in Whitestone

1) All jokes aside that would be a tough pill to swallow if that ever gets implemented but, courageous if the city ever tried. Best example for this would be 34 st...

 

2) I like the idea but don't ride the Q65 enough to know exactly it would affect the current ridership base. However on paper or the map of the area it looks good; it reduces the number of turns on the route but traffic might kill any time that was saved by the proposed change.

 

3) So many have requested this change and still the MTA haven't responded; but maybe Q34 might interfere with the Q16 ridership if they did extend it... IDK I would really like to know why they're so reluctant to any form of change to their bus routes.

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3) So many have requested this change and still the MTA haven't responded; but maybe Q34 might interfere with the Q16 ridership if they did extend it... IDK I would really like to know why they're so reluctant to any form of change to their bus routes.

 

Don't underestimate the power of inertia in an institution, especially an organ of the State of New York.

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The Q65 proposal does sound quite good on paper but what about s/b service. They can't possibly make the turn from college pt onto roosevelt because it has so many cars and traffic sucks due to skyview center.

 

 

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I would argue that College Point traffic is miles ahead of Main St traffic. Main Street is quite the slog, and so is Kissena.

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A crazy proposal to improve bus reliability in the Flushing area. Think about this more as a thought exercise than a serious proposal.

 

Q25 SBS: Runs from the Bronx Zoo to Jamaica, replacing the Q44. Northbound buses turn off of Kissena onto Barclay before heading north on Union, avoiding traffic on Main St. Southbound buses turn from Union onto Sanford, and then turn onto Kissena.

Q34A/B: Takes over College Point Q20A/B routing, via same routing as Q25 SBS.

 

By avoiding the mess on Main St, travel times should improve.

 

Q44 SBS: Northbound, turns off of Main St at 41st Av, before heading north on College Point Blvd, replacing Q65. Southbound, takes 41st Rd.

Q20: Follows same routing as Q44, then heads east on 35th before using current Q34 routing past Linden.

 

Also avoids Main St traffic, and serves Skyview shopping center and Flushing West.

 

Q65: Adopts current Q25 routing north of Northern.

My immediate interpretation of this whole thing, is that it's more or less conveying that it doesn't matter which Jamaica-Flushing route runs to the Bronx.... There's not much of a need for me to scrutinize this thought exercise, having come to such a conclusion....

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They should make Main St. just for buses, taxis and deliveries. Look at Fulton St. in downtown Brooklyn. Police and traffic enforcement need to enforce the bus lanes along the Q44sbs in flushing.

 

Q65 should avoid Kissena blvd and Main St all together, keep the Q65 on Bowne st, turns onto Roosevelt ave stops behind the N20/21 continues on Roosevelt ave till College Pt Blvd makes a right then goes into College Point.

 

Q34 should be extend to Francis Lewis Blvd via Willets Point Blvd instead of ending at 149st in Whitestone

I personally believe that the Q65 routing should be rerouted via the Q26 after Holly Ave to Flushing Main Street to make the route a little faster. And then with it already being on Roosevelt it could run down to College Point Blvd and continue north and then regular route. Of course three important stops would be gone should as Sanford Ave and Kissena Blvd, Kissena Blvd and Main Street and Main Street and Northern Blvd. Now because of that I don't see the MTA doing that. People would get mad with this change but some good would come out of it is as the Q65 would have space to unload and load up passengers because it's current stop on Main Street is in front of a parking garage and a crosswalk. The Q65 southbound would stop where the Q20/Q44 used to stop when it turned down Roosevelt Ave for a while.

As for an extension of the Q34 as much as I would want it to happen I don't see it happening. I think it could potentially hurt the Q16 ridership and I see this extension as this. If you run it to Francis Lewis Blvd you might as well extend it a few more minutes to Fort Totten or even Bay Terrace. The Q34's sole purpose is more of a supplement more than an actual route on its own. After being in existence for all these years under its current set up where the Q25 runs all day everyday and the Q34 on weekdays only and infrequent rush hour service you'd think the Q34 would have 7 days a week service by now. The MTA did give the Q34 more service when the Q14 was eliminated but buses are still fairly empty because most of those riders are on the Q20/Q44 and Q15. So for right now I see the Q34 staying the way it is for now. If a Q25 SBS comes a reality which I don't think it should, I would then see the Q34 routing being changed.

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The Q65 southbound would stop where the Q20/Q44 used to stop when it turned down Roosevelt Ave for a while.

 

It cant stop there the N20G stops there now.

 

 

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The N20 stops on the other side of the block. The Q44 and Q20 used to make the right turn from Main Street onto Roosevelt and it's bus stop is there. Now I think it's used for layover since 39th Ave is a two way now. The Q65 would stop where the Q48 stops now if it were going northbound to College Point. Southbound it would stop at the Q44/Q20s old stop.

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I have a few proposals related to the Q26, Q27, Q31.

 

Q26/Q27: 

The purpose is to increase the service frequencies on weekdays, mainly because of the large crowds of students from QCC, in to the crowds of students from other schools, in additions to current buses being unable to meet demand at times.

 

For the Q26, service would have two service variations. The current variation, and another to QCC which "diverts" off the Q26 at Hollis Court Boulevard, following the Q27. The span of Q27 LIMITED service will be expanded

 

In the AM rush hour to Flushing and PM  to Cambria Heights, have the Q27 run LIMITED from Flushing to QCC. There would be no local Q27 service during this time. Q26 service will be expanded.

 

Here's the rundown of service for the Q26 & Q27 (Spans)

 

 

 

 

Q27 LIMITED: From Cambria Heights to Flushing

From 5:45 AM, then departures at 5:55 AM, 6:05 AM, 6:12 AM, 6:19 AM, 6:26 AM, 6:33 AM, 6:40 AM, 6:46 AM, 6:52 AM, 6:58 AM, 7:04 AM, 7:10 AM, 7:16 AM, 7:22 AM, 7:27 AM, 7:33 AM, 7:39 AM, 7:45 AM, 7:51 AM, 7:58 AM, 8:05 AM, 8:12 AM, 8:19 AM, 8:26 AM, 8:33 AM, 8:39 AM, 8:46 AM, 8:54 AM, 9:02 AM, 9:10 AM, 9:18 AM, 9:26 AM, 9:34 AM, 9:42 AM, 9:50 AM, 10:00 AM

(37 buses; compared to 79 as scheduled)

 

From 1:00 PM, then departures at 1:09 PM, 1:17 PM, 1:25 PM, 1:33 PM, 1:41 PM, 1:49 PM, 1:57 PM, 2:05 PM, 2:13 PM, 2:21 PM, 2:29 PM, 2:36 PM, 2:42 PM, 2:48 PM, 2:54 PM, 3:00 PM, 3:06 PM, 3:12 PM, 3:18 PM, 3:24 PM, 3:26 PM, 3:32 PM, 3:38 PM, 3:44 PM, 3:50 PM, 3:56 PM, 4:02 PM, 4:08 PM, 4:14 PM, 4:20 PM, 4:26 PM, 4:32 PM, 4:38 PM, 4:44 PM, 4:50 PM, 4:56 PM, 5:02 PM, 5:09 PM, 5:16 PM, 5:22 PM, 5:28 PM, 5:34 PM, 5:40 PM, 5:46 PM, 5:53 PM, 6:03 PM, 6:13 PM, 6:23 PM, 6:33 PM, 6:43 PM, 6:53 PM, 7:03 PM, 7:13 PM, 7:23 PM, 7:33 PM, 7:43 PM (56 buses; compared to 80 as scheduled).

 

Q27 LIMITED: From Flushing to Cambria Heights

From 6:47 AM, then departures at 6:55 AM, 7:03 AM, 7:09 AM, 7:15 AM, 7:21 AM, 7:27 AM, 7:33 AM, 7:39 AM, 7:45 AM, 7:51 AM, 7:57 AM, 8:03 AM, 8:09 AM, 8:15 AM, 8:21 AM, 8:27 AM, 8:35 AM, 8:42 AM, 8:50 AM, 8:58 AM, 9:06 AM, 9:14 AM, 9:22 AM, 9:30 AM, 9:38 AM, 9:46 AM, 9:54 AM, 10:02 AM, 10:10 AM, 10:18 AM, 10:28 AM, 10:38 AM, 10:48 AM, 10:58 AM, 11:10 AM (36 buses; compared to 67 as scheduled)

 

From 2:10 PM, then 2:19 PM, 2:27 PM, 2:35 PM, 2:43 PM, 2:51 PM, 2:59 PM, 3:07 PM, 3:15 PM, 3:23 PM, 3:31 PM, 3:39 PM, 3:46 PM, 3:52 PM, 3:58 PM, 4:04 PM, 4:10 PM, 4:16 PM, 4:22 PM, 4:28 PM, 4:34 PM, 4:36 PM, 4:42 PM, 4:48 PM, 4:54 PM, 5:00 PM, 5:06 PM, 5:12 PM, 5:18 PM, 5:24 PM, 5:30 PM, 5:36 PM, 5:42 PM, 5:48 PM, 5:54 PM, 6:00 PM, 6:06 PM, 6:12 PM, 6:19 PM, 6:26 PM, 6:32 PM, 6:38 PM, 6:44 PM, 6:50 PM, 6:56 PM, 7:03 PM, 7:13 PM, 7:23 PM, 7:33 PM, 7:43 PM, 7:53 PM, 8:03 PM, 8:13 PM, 8:23 PM, 8:33 PM, 8:43 PM, 8:53 PM. (56 buses; compared to 98 as scheduled+)

 

Total Q27 LIMITED trips during this period: 185

Total Q27 (Local + LIMITED) as scheduled during same period: 324+

 

+= Statistic does not take into account SB trips not originating in Flushing (total count: 6). 

 

Q26 From Auburndale to Flushing

From 5:30 AM, then departures at 5:50 AM, 6:10 AM, 6:12 AM^, 6:18 AM^, 6:29 AM, 6:30 AM^, 6:36 AM^, 6:48 AM, 6:50 AM^, 6:56 AM^, 7:07 AM, 7:08 AM^, 7:14 AM^, 7:25 AM, 7:26 AM^, 7:32 AM^, 7:43 AM, 7:44 AM^, 7:50 AM^, 8:01 AM, 8:02 AM^, 8:09 AM^, 8:19 AM, 8:20 AM^, 8:27 AM^, 8:38 AM, 8:40 AM^, 8:47 AM^, 8:58 AM, 9:00 AM^, 9:08 AM^, 9:15 AM^, 9:23 AM^, 9:31 AM^, 9:39 AM^, 9:47 AM^, 9:57 AM^, 10:07 AM^, 10:17 AM^, 10:27 AM^, 10:37 AM^ (42 buses)

 

From Flushing to QCC

From 1:41 PM, then departures at 1:50 PM, 1:58 PM, 2:06 PM, 2:14 PM, 2:20 PM, 2:26 PM, 2:34 PM, 2:40 PM, 2:46 PM, 2:54 PM, 3:00 PM, 3:06 PM, 3:12 PM*, 3:18 PM, 3:24 PM, 3:30 PM, 3:36 PM*, 3:42 PM, 3:48 PM, 3:54 PM, 4:00 PM*, 4:06 PM, 4:12 PM, 4:18 PM, 4:24 PM*, 4:30 PM, 4:36 PM, 4:42 PM*, 4:48 PM, 5:04 PM, 5:10 PM*, 5:16 PM, 5:22 PM, 5:28 PM*, 5:34 PM, 5:40 PM, 5:46 PM*, 5:52 PM, 5:58 PM, 6:04 PM*, 6:10 PM, 6:16 PM, 6:22 PM*, 6:28 PM, 6:36 PM*, 6:42 PM, 6:48 PM, 6:54 PM*, 7:00 PM, 7:07 PM, 7:14 PM*, 7:21 PM, 7:28 PM, 7:38 PM*, 7:48 PM, 7:58 PM, 8:08 PM, 8:18 PM, 8:28 PM, 8:38 PM, 8:48 PM, 8:58 PM (62 Buses)  

 

* To/ from Auburndale 

^ From QCC

 

 

From Flushing to QCC 

6:00 AM, 6:20 AM, 6:40 AM, 6:47 AM, 6:53 AM, 6:59 AM, 7:05 AM, 7:11 AM, 7:17 AM, 7:23 AM, 7:29 AM, 7:35 AM, 7:41 AM, 7:47 AM, 7:53 AM, 7:59 AM, 8:05 AM, 8:11 AM, 8:17 AM, 8:23 AM, 8:29 AM, 8:35 AM, 8:41 AM, 8:47 AM, 8:53 AM, 8:59 AM, 9:05 AM, 9:11 AM, 9:18 AM, 9:25 AM, 9:32 AM, 9:39 AM, 9:46 AM, 9:53 AM, 10:00 AM, 10:08 AM, 10:16 AM, 10:24 AM, 10:35 AM, 10:45 AM, 10:55 AM, 11:05 AM, 11:15 AM (43 buses)

 

From QCC to Flushing:

2:21 PM, 2:30 PM, 2:38 PM, 2:46 PM, 2:54 PM, 3:00 PM, 3:06 PM, 3:12 PM, 3:18 PM, 3:24 PM, 3:30 PM, 3:36 PM, 3:42 PM, 3:48 PM, 3:59 PM*, 4:00 PM, 4:06 PM, 4:17 PM*, 4:18 PM, 4:24 PM, 4:35 PM*, 4:36 PM, 4:42 PM, 4:53 PM*, 4:54 PM, 5:00 PM, 5:21 PM*, 5:12 PM, 5:18 PM, 5:29 PM*, 5:30 PM, 5:36 PM, 5:47 PM*, 5:48 PM, 5:54 PM, 6:05 PM*, 6:06 PM, 6:12 PM, 6:23 PM*, 6:24 PM, 6:30 PM, 6:41 PM*, 6:48 PM, 7:00 PM, 7:11 PM*, 7:12 PM, 7:18 PM, 7:29 PM*, 7:30 PM, 7:36 PM, 7:42 PM, 7:52 PM, 8:02 PM, 8:12 PM (54 buses) 

 

Total Q26 trips: 201 

Current Q26 schedule: 66

 

Total Q26 & Q27 trips during this interval: 386

Current Schedule: 390+

 

 

 

Even though it looks like only a minimal amount of trips were cut, the Q26 trips are much shorter than the Q27. The Hollis Court portion of the Q26 received a service and span decrease. Furthermore, the Q26 would start with the Q27 on Roosevelt Avenue, and run with the Q27 until Kissena & Sandford, then use Sanford to Parsons, and follow its route (the Q12 is there for riders at missed stops towards Flushing). 

 

 

The cuts along Springfield are indeed drastic (more than half of service is eliminated on the Q27 in the AM). During the time periods where the Q27 loses a significant amount of service, I would try out running a service from Cambria Heights to either Bay Terrace or the current Q31 terminal in Bayside (which I will call the Q78). This service would traditionally run during weekday rush hours, but will also have some midday service. It would maintain a link between Bell Blvd north of Northern, and Springfield Blvd (see below). It would actually create a direct connection between these periods. 

 

Here's a preliminary schedule using the resources saved:

 

 

 

From Cambria Heights to Bay Terrace/Bayside:

6:18 AM, 6:33 AM, 6:48 AM, 7:03 AM, 7:18 AM, 7:33 AM, 7:48 AM, 8:03 AM, 8:18 AM, 8:48 AM, 9:18 AM, 9:48 AM, 10:55 AM, 12:00 PM, 1:00 PM, 2:00 PM, 3:00 PM, 3:30 PM, 4:00 PM, 4:30 PM, 5:00 PM, 5:30 PM, 6:00 PM, 6:30 PM, 7:00 PM

 

From Bay Terrace/Bayside to Cambria Heights:

7:18 AM, 7:33 AM, 7:48 AM, 8:03 AM, 8:18 AM, 8:33 AM, 8:48 AM, 9:03 AM, 9:18 AM, 9:48 AM, 10:18 AM, 10:48 AM, 11:55 AM, 1:00 PM, 1:30 PM^, 2:00 PM, 2:30 PM^, 3:00 PM, 3:30 PM, 4:00 PM, 4:30 PM, 5:00 PM, 5:30 PM, 6:00 PM, 6:30 PM, 7:00 PM, 7:30 PM, 8:00 PM

 

^=School days only

 

 

 

QV would run the Q78, and QV & CS will split the Q26/Q27.

 

Q31: I feel that there is connectivity issues in the intermediate area around Utopia Parkway after the Q31 turns off Utopia and travels on 46 Avenue. I have not seen many people utilize the service on the 46/47/48 Avenue corridor as well. I would have buses run on Northern Boulevard instead of 46 Avenue between Utopia Parkway & Bell Boulevard. Additionally, the Q31 will operate to Bay Terrace Shopping Center at all times. Select AM rush and PM buses will serve 32 Avenue and 26 Avenue. That would keep service to Holy Cross High School. Connectivity would be maintained from the Q31 to the Q27, and a direct connection will be created, which would be an improvement for the few riders who use the service (well, during rush hours). 

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Huh. You cut almost half the service to the Q27 as scheduled currently. Surely, they can't manage to run the line efficiently after such a reduction in service. But won't there be overlapping issues with the 26/27? Like why not just schedule them as 27 shortturns, some go only to horace harding as is. Will QV and CS manage to run the 26/27 during the rush hours? 26 takes quite a lot of buses to run now!

 

 

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Does anyone know what the current construction on Main St is for? It seems as if the corridor between Kissena and Northern is about to get a major overhaul, but not is really specified anywhere, and on the relocated bus stops it says it's moved for construction.   

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Does anyone know what the current construction on Main St is for? It seems as if the corridor between Kissena and Northern is about to get a major overhaul, but not is really specified anywhere, and on the relocated bus stops it says it's moved for construction.   

 

IIRC they are widening the sidewalk.

 

IMO the change is long overdue given how crazy pedestrian congestion has gotten. While they're at it they need to close that stupid parking garage on Main next to the railroad bridge...

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IIRC they are widening the sidewalk.

 

IMO the change is long overdue given how crazy pedestrian congestion has gotten. While they're at it they need to close that stupid parking garage on Main next to the railroad bridge...

They need to stop cars from going in to Flushing period. Hopefully it's a step in the right direction. 

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