bobtehpanda Posted August 14, 2016 Share #4726 Posted August 14, 2016 Proposal: All buses going northbound on Kissena through Flushing divert onto Union St, making a right on Barclay and a left onto Union. Buses terminating in Flushing (Q17, Q27) use 37th Avenue to loop back to Main St. Buses heading north (Q25, Q34, Q65) travel north until 35th Av, with the Q25 and Q65 using 35th Av to head west. The Q34 is permanently routed onto Union St from Willets Point Blvd to Northern Blvd in both directions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted August 18, 2016 Share #4727 Posted August 18, 2016 Proposal: All buses going northbound on Kissena through Flushing divert onto Union St, making a right on Barclay and a left onto Union. Buses terminating in Flushing (Q17, Q27) use 37th Avenue to loop back to Main St. Buses heading north (Q25, Q34, Q65) travel north until 35th Av, with the Q25 and Q65 using 35th Av to head west. The Q34 is permanently routed onto Union St from Willets Point Blvd to Northern Blvd in both directions. How long would it take someone to walk from Main St to Union via Roosevelt? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted August 18, 2016 Share #4728 Posted August 18, 2016 How long would it take someone to walk from Main St to Union via Roosevelt?It takes about 2-3 min (at least when I walk it) but don't know if it's worth it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted August 18, 2016 Share #4729 Posted August 18, 2016 How long would it take someone to walk from Main St to Union via Roosevelt? It takes about 2-3 min (at least when I walk it) but don't know if it's worth it. Google maps says 4 minutes, given you're walking at a speed of 3 mph. Of course, if you walk faster than that, you'll get there in less time. If you're a senior, it'll take more time. If you're getting off the , you're taking more time to catch the bus. Honestly, I see what the point is, but I don't think that's an ideal solution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted August 18, 2016 Share #4730 Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) It takes about 2-3 min (at least when I walk it) but don't know if it's worth it. Main St going northbound is an absolute shitshow, and with how slow traffic speeds can be on that stretch rerouting around that mess could actually be faster. Google maps says 4 minutes, given you're walking at a speed of 3 mph. Of course, if you walk faster than that, you'll get there in less time. If you're a senior, it'll take more time. If you're getting off the , you're taking more time to catch the bus. Honestly, I see what the point is, but I don't think that's an ideal solution. Is this accounting for the eastern exit of the ? It's also not any farther than, say, the Q58 to the , which is a very popular transfer. Edited August 18, 2016 by bobtehpanda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted August 18, 2016 Share #4731 Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) Main St going northbound is an absolute shitshow, and with how slow traffic speeds can be on that stretch rerouting around that mess could actually be faster. Is this accounting for the eastern exit of the ? It's also not any farther than, say, the Q58 to the , which is a very popular transfer. Yes, it's accounting for the eastern exit of the . While the other section about the Q58 to is true (I did the reverse myself today as a matter of a fact), we shouldn't make it more inconvenient to catch the bus than we have to. There's people who go just to Flushing, and not for the . There's a lot more people who transfer to other modes. Also, I'm pretty sure the Q58 terminates where it does because of capacity constraints and because going up Main Street, even 2-3 blocks, would severely impact the routes reliability, which already tends to be on the lower end of the spectrum (although I wouldn't say it's THE worst). Edited August 18, 2016 by BM5 via WOODHAVEN BL 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted August 18, 2016 Share #4732 Posted August 18, 2016 Yes, it's accounting for the eastern exit of the . While the other section about the Q58 to is true (I did the reverse myself today as a matter of a fact), we shouldn't make it more inconvenient to catch the bus than we have to. There's people who go just to Flushing, and not for the . There's a lot more people who transfer to other modes. Also, I'm pretty sure the Q58 terminates where it does because of capacity constraints and because going up Main Street, even 2-3 blocks, would severely impact the routes reliability, which already tends to be on the lower end of the spectrum (although I wouldn't say it's THE worst). People already effectively walk that far, though. The Main Street slog is so slow that those coming from the south tend to get off at Sanford/Kissena and walk the rest of the way. The traffic on Main St could potentially crap on the Q58's reliability, but it craps on the Q17, 27, 25/34, and 65 today instead. On the other hand, Union St is relatively free flowing with few double parking issues, and Barclay is effectively empty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 18, 2016 Share #4733 Posted August 18, 2016 People already effectively walk that far, though. The Main Street slog is so slow that those coming from the south tend to get off at Sanford/Kissena and walk the rest of the way. The traffic on Main St could potentially crap on the Q58's reliability, but it craps on the Q17, 27, 25/34, and 65 today instead. On the other hand, Union St is relatively free flowing with few double parking issues, and Barclay is effectively empty. Exactly what I do coming off the Q17 if I'm in impatient mode..... More common than some might think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted August 18, 2016 Share #4734 Posted August 18, 2016 Proposal: All buses going northbound on Kissena through Flushing divert onto Union St, making a right on Barclay and a left onto Union. Buses terminating in Flushing (Q17, Q27) use 37th Avenue to loop back to Main St. Buses heading north (Q25, Q34, Q65) travel north until 35th Av, with the Q25 and Q65 using 35th Av to head west. The Q34 is permanently routed onto Union St from Willets Point Blvd to Northern Blvd in both directions. I'm guessing there would be a drop-off stop on Union at Roosevelt. Where would the Q17 and Q27 lay over? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted August 19, 2016 Share #4735 Posted August 19, 2016 I'm guessing there would be a drop-off stop on Union at Roosevelt. Where would the Q17 and Q27 lay over? I assume that the Q17 and Q27 will layover on 37th and that there would be a stop at Union and Roosevelt as a result of these changes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted August 19, 2016 Share #4736 Posted August 19, 2016 In that case it would Be better if the q17/27 went on Union stopped at Roosevelt and then layover. On the return trip they should just continue to use the same stops 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 29, 2016 Share #4737 Posted August 29, 2016 .....Some of the other routes in the LIC and in Western Queens need some sort of restructuring to improve connectivity and/or use of resources. I don't remember when, but there was a proposal before to straighten the Q104 so that it runs to Jackson via Broadway (and eliminates the 48 Street portion). IDK if there is enough ridership to do that, but potentially, if something like that would come to fruition, perhaps service could run more or less as follows (and incorporating this and other previous proposals, as well as some additions): Q66: Woodside to Flushing, with select trips running to Sunnyside to replace the Q104 segment that would be lost. Q100: Queens Plaza to Steinway (service to Rikers Island discontinued, in order to focus more on the 21 Street portion of the line) Q101: Queens Plaza to Rikers Island (via Queensbridge, replaces Q66 western segment up to Steinway Street, Q100 north of 19 Avenue) Q102: Astoria Projects to East Midtown (replaces Q101 to Midtown; late night service over the bridge from Western Queens discontinued) Q104: Roosevelt Island/LIC to Jackson Heights As for the Q102 proposal, it does not have to be at the current Q101 terminal where it has to terminate in East Midtown. Perhaps somewhere closer to 57 Street (such as 55 Street and 3 Avenue). Traffic will be an issue, but there's also more bus connections, rather than just the Q32 and the M15. Thoughts? Connectivity is somewhat of an issue in that general section of Queens, but the main problem as I see it with the network is that there is too significant a discrepancy in the service provided along 21st st specifically, compared to service along other major strips within western Queens.... The only way I would support taking the Q104 off 48th st is if it ended at Northern Blvd itself & the Q66 covered the current Q104 portion b/w the & Northern Blvd (which was an idea I had a while back, which I eventually scrapped).... I think ridership would absolutely plummet on that route (104) if it ran to Jackson Hgts (even if it ran to Moore term. specifically).... Those that are currently seeking Northern Blvd from 74th subway that currently either take the Q47, 33, or the 32, if you notice, are largely xferring to EB Q66's.... A "broadway" route IMO would pretty much have to run to (at least) Hoffman - which the Q53 already covers quite well b/w Moore Term. & QB..... And in no way, shape, or form would I have the 104 supplement the Q53.... Basically what I'm saying as far as the 104 goes with that, is - I believe there's way more ridership currently b/w QB/48th & Northern, than there would be if it were to be diverted to run to Jackson Hgts via B'way (the ridership that'd exist along B'way b/w Roosevelt & Northern)... As for serving Rikers Island, I wouldn't swap which of the 2 routes (between the 100 & the 101) serves it.... The two routes have stark differences in their riderbases; the baby mamas that ride up to rikers emanate from any of the public housing projects along 21st, or from QBP itself (from off one of the QB lines)... Aside from that, I have to say the 100 would be quicker than the 101 - even though Steinway (st) is a straighter shot to the prison facility.... Steinway st, which is by far more commercial (and worse, more narrow) is affected by double parking delivery vans/trucks.... As far as overnight service in western Queens, I don't see a need for the Q60 and the (real) Q101 running to Manhattan.... So it's moot for me to discuss whether a modified 101 or modified 102 should run to East Midtown.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted September 22, 2016 Share #4738 Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) This a relatively simple proposal to implement; it just includes of reorganizing times on the Q11/Q21 throughout the day so that buses would not be together (what bothers me more than the buses running together during middays is them running together during the evening, when they are both on 60 minute headways after a certain period). In the case of evenings, it could help get some people off the Q53. Weekdays Middays: -Q21 buses from Hoffman Drive depart at :10 and :40 -Q11 buses from Hoffman Drive depart at :25 and :55 -Q21 buses from Howard Beach depart at :56 and :26 -Q11 buses from Old Howard Beach depart at :13 -Q11 buses from Hamilton Beach depart at :43 Weekday Evening (after 8 PM until 12:45 AM): -The current 8:40 PM Q11 from Hoffman Drive will depart at 8:30 PM, running to Old Howard Beach -The current 9:00 PM Q11 from Hoffman Drive will depart at 8:55 PM -The current 9:40 PM Q11 from Hoffman Drive will depart at 9:30 PM -The current 10:10 PM Q11 from Hoffman Drive will depart at 10:00 PM, running to Old Howard Beach -The current 10:40 PM Q11 from Hoffman Drive will depart at 10:20 PM, being truncated at Pitkin Avenue -The current 11:50 PM and 12:30 AM Q11 buses will be consolidated into a 12:10 AM Q11 bus, running only to Pitkin -The last Q11 bus to Old Howard Beach bus will now depart at 10:10 PM instead of 12:30 AM. -The last Q11 bus from Old Howard Beach bus will now depart at 9:13 PM instead of 12:15 AM Saturday & Sunday (Daytime): -Q11 buses will depart Hoffman Drive at :25 and :55 -Q21 buses will depart Hoffman Drive at :10 and :40 -Q11 buses from Old Howard Beach depart at :10 -Q11 buses from Hamilton Beach depart at :40 -Q21 buses from Howard Beach depart at :25 and :55 Saturday & Sunday (Evening): -Q11 Buses before 9:40 PM depart on at :25 and :55 -The current 10:05 PM Q11 from Hoffman Drive will depart at 10:00 PM -The current 10:35 PM Q11 from Hoffman Drive will depart at 10:20 PM -The 11:35 PM and 12:35 PM Q11 trips from Hoffman Drive will now depart at 11:10 PM and 12:10 AM respectively; the trips will not run to Old Howard Beach, instead terminate at Piktin Avenue -The last Q11 bus to Old Howard Beach will now be at 10:20 PM instead of 12:35 AM -The last Q11 bus from Old Howard Beach will now be at 9:10 PM instead of 12:15 AM The proposal is slated to be cost-neutral, but the savings of runtime by running several buses only to Piktin, and consolidating two Q11 runs, may save some money. Edited September 22, 2016 by BM5 via Woodhaven Bl 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrianQ60 Posted September 29, 2016 Share #4739 Posted September 29, 2016 I was considering having service on linden blvd since theres no bus runing on linden blvd so i thought of discounting the Q21 service to elmhurst and end it at jamaica 169 st i would have the q21 start at merrick and hillside .i would have it go down merrick blvd .right on linden blvd .right on rockaway blvd .stop inside the casino like q37 .continue back on rockaway blvd .left on crossbay blvd and continue regular route to howard beach 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted September 29, 2016 Share #4740 Posted September 29, 2016 Most ridership out of JFK? Most ridership out of LGA? Least ridership out of JFK? Least ridership out of LGA? Without any second guessing whatsoever, one of these questions has the easiest answer - and it's high time a significant change happens with this route..... I would like to change this route's other end terminal also, but quite frankly, there's not much where's else to put it..... ....& oh yeah, you can answer/opine on the other 3 questions if you feel like it.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted September 29, 2016 Share #4741 Posted September 29, 2016 Most ridership out of JFK? Most ridership out of LGA? Least ridership out of JFK? Least ridership out of LGA? Without any second guessing whatsoever, one of these questions has the easiest answer - and it's high time a significant change happens with this route..... I would like to change this route's other end terminal also, but quite frankly, there's not much where's else to put it..... ....& oh yeah, you can answer/opine on the other 3 questions if you feel like it.... Okay, giving this a try (guessing): 1.Q10 2.M60 3.Q3 4.Q48 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted September 29, 2016 Share #4742 Posted September 29, 2016 Most ridership out of JFK? Most ridership out of LGA? Least ridership out of JFK? Least ridership out of LGA? Without any second guessing whatsoever, one of these questions has the easiest answer - and it's high time a significant change happens with this route..... I would like to change this route's other end terminal also, but quite frankly, there's not much where's else to put it..... ....& oh yeah, you can answer/opine on the other 3 questions if you feel like it.... 1) Q10 2) M60 3) Q3/B15 4) Q47/Q70. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted September 29, 2016 Share #4743 Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) I was thinking the actual depot, not the the airports respectively, so this was the list I had Most ridership out of JFK? Most ridership out of LGA? Least ridership out of JFK? Least ridership out of LGA? Without any second guessing whatsoever, one of these questions has the easiest answer - and it's high time a significant change happens with this route..... I would like to change this route's other end terminal also, but quite frankly, there's not much where's else to put it..... ....& oh yeah, you can answer/opine on the other 3 questions if you feel like it.... 1. Q10 2. Q23 3. Q21 4. Q104 However, if we're talking by the actual airport, then the first one remains the same, but as far as the rest: 2. Between the M60 and Q70 3. If we are talking about JFK as a whole, probably the Q6 or Q7. If it is strictly from T5, then it's likely the Q3 4. Q48 Edited September 29, 2016 by BM5 via Woodhaven Bl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted September 30, 2016 Share #4744 Posted September 30, 2016 Okay, giving this a try (guessing): 1.Q10 2.M60 3.Q3 4.Q48 1) Q10 2) M60 3) Q3/B15 4) Q47/Q70. I was thinking the actual depot, not the the airports respectively, so this was the list I had 1. Q10 .... However, if we're talking by the actual airport, then the first one remains the same, but as far as the rest: 2. Between the M60 and Q70 3. If we are talking about JFK as a whole, probably the Q6 or Q7. If it is strictly from T5, then it's likely the Q3 4. Q48 Instead of making 3 replies, I'll make a combined one (I guess)... I also believe the Q10 has the most usage in/out of JFK... B15 is right up there... Q3 doesn't come close to those two.... If the Q70 had M60 service, I'd be inclined to believe that the Q70 would garner the most usage out of LGA.... Since that's not the case, I have to say the M60 has that "title"... Within JFK, the Q7 garners the least amount of usage.... Q6 usage isn't higher than the Q3, but it is underestimated.... ...and the reason why I made this post, it is the Q47 that has the least usage out of LGA... Which says a lot if you consider the Q48, which really only sees considerable loads to/from the airport if buses are delayed/late... The Q47 can be so late to the point where 3 buses can arrive @ MAT @ the same time, and not one of them would have more than 15 people on it.... I honestly think there's going to come a point where service to that terminal is going to be eliminated - especially with the advent (and "success") of the Q70.... The onus would be to take any of the other routes that serve central terminal, etc., to LGA's red or blue shuttle bus.... I'll just quote a Hertz shuttle bus driver: "No one ever gets on that bus" (referring to the Q47 I was waiting for, one day)... ....Which was ironic as shit, given that ole boy, I'm quite sure, drives around in circles virtually carrying air all day.... The Q47 at least brings in about 8k a day (IIRC; more than 5, less than 10) - Whereas, really, I have to hesitate if those hertz shuttles have transported that many riders since the old Q45 & Q47 merged! Oh, and I don't think the Q47 should be running to Atlas either.... People mainly take the Q29 there specifically; even the Q54 doesn't see too many pax heading to Atlas (what does happen w/ the Q54 @ Atlas, are xfers [again, mainly to/from the Q29] - not for access to the mall itself).... But at the same time, I would not send the Q47 to end w/ the Q29 (pointless, and there's no room anyway @ Myrtle), and I wouldn't end it @ the old Q45 SB terminal before Atlas was built, either (which was 80th/Eliot)..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted September 30, 2016 Share #4745 Posted September 30, 2016 (edited) Instead of making 3 replies, I'll make a combined one (I guess)... I also believe the Q10 has the most usage in/out of JFK... B15 is right up there... Q3 doesn't come close to those two.... If the Q70 had M60 service, I'd be inclined to believe that the Q70 would garner the most usage out of LGA.... Since that's not the case, I have to say the M60 has that "title"... Within JFK, the Q7 garners the least amount of usage.... Q6 usage isn't higher than the Q3, but it is underestimated.... ...and the reason why I made this post, it is the Q47 that has the least usage out of LGA... Which says a lot if you consider the Q48, which really only sees considerable loads to/from the airport if buses are delayed/late... The Q47 can be so late to the point where 3 buses can arrive @ MAT @ the same time, and not one of them would have more than 15 people on it.... I honestly think there's going to come a point where service to that terminal is going to be eliminated - especially with the advent (and "success") of the Q70.... The onus would be to take any of the other routes that serve central terminal, etc., to LGA's red or blue shuttle bus.... I'll just quote a Hertz shuttle bus driver: "No one ever gets on that bus" (referring to the Q47 I was waiting for, one day)... ....Which was ironic as shit, given that ole boy, I'm quite sure, drives around in circles virtually carrying air all day.... The Q47 at least brings in about 8k a day (IIRC; more than 5, less than 10) - Whereas, really, I have to hesitate if those hertz shuttles have transported that many riders since the old Q45 & Q47 merged! Oh, and I don't think the Q47 should be running to Atlas either.... People mainly take the Q29 there specifically; even the Q54 doesn't see too many pax heading to Atlas (what does happen w/ the Q54 @ Atlas, are xfers [again, mainly to/from the Q29] - not for access to the mall itself).... But at the same time, I would not send the Q47 to end w/ the Q29 (pointless, and there's no room anyway @ Myrtle), and I wouldn't end it @ the old Q45 SB terminal before Atlas was built, either (which was 80th/Eliot)..... IDK what can be done with the Q47 quite honestly, because you do need it for coverage, and there are a few people going north of Eliot (and north of Grand anyways) from points south of Eliot Avenue. Perhaps the Q47 on the Glendale side can be extended to either Myrtle/73 Street, or to Woodhaven Boulevard/Metropolitan Avenue. For the Woodhaven Blvd/Metropolitan Avenue terminal, there's a shopping area which people actually head down to, and reliability on the Q54 is hit or miss. Plus, it gives riders a one-seat ride to Jackson Heights, to connect to the , instead of having to take the Q52/53 to Woodhaven Boulevard, and then get on the and which are less frequent and prone to constant delays, and then transferring at Jackson Heights. The travel time would be the same amount of time, but it relieves the Q52 and Q53 a tad bit. Just for comparison: The Q47 from Glendale takes 29 minutes to get to Jackson Heights during the rush. With the extension to Woodhaven/Metropolitan, it would take around 33-34 minutes to get to Jackson Heights. However, if one gets off at 69 Street for the , they can be in Manhattan in about 50-60 minutes (only works if one is going towards areas at or near 42 Street). The Q52/Q53 takes 10 minutes to get from Metropolitan Avenue to Woodhaven Boulevard. Walking to the from QCM takes appoximately 2 minutes, and then the ride is approximately 5 minutes by train. In total, that is 17 minutes. Of course, that is granted that you do not have to wait for an or , and a LTD bus doesn't flag the stop (everything is coordinated). Let's say it takes 25 minutes to get to/from Manhattan from Roosevelt. That means that the total trip time is 42 minutes. Again, that's if everything is coordinated and you do not have to wait for a train at all, or have buses flag you. If extended to 73 Street and Myrtle, well, I guess it gives those riders another option to Midtown (not many people there take the express bus to Midtown; most of those riders seem to bombard the Q55, although I would still keep the express bus there). I think it may even be faster, given how the Q55 takes 18 minutes between 73 Street and Ridgewood (either option of taking the or the would be treacherous as it is anyways, as the is crowded, and you would have to transfer to another train anyways, and with the , one goes the roundabout way, via Brooklyn, not to mention that its all local). Of course, these travel time comparisons would be inaccurate once the Q47 returns on its regular route (which was slated for sometime this fall, apparently). Edited September 30, 2016 by BM5 via Woodhaven Bl 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted October 2, 2016 Share #4746 Posted October 2, 2016 IDK what can be done with the Q47 quite honestly, because you do need it for coverage, and there are a few people going north of Eliot (and north of Grand anyways) from points south of Eliot Avenue. Perhaps the Q47 on the Glendale side can be extended to either Myrtle/73 Street, or to Woodhaven Boulevard/Metropolitan Avenue. For the Woodhaven Blvd/Metropolitan Avenue terminal, there's a shopping area which people actually head down to, and reliability on the Q54 is hit or miss. Plus, it gives riders a one-seat ride to Jackson Heights, to connect to the , instead of having to take the Q52/53 to Woodhaven Boulevard, and then get on the and which are less frequent and prone to constant delays, and then transferring at Jackson Heights. The travel time would be the same amount of time, but it relieves the Q52 and Q53 a tad bit. Just for comparison: The Q47 from Glendale takes 29 minutes to get to Jackson Heights during the rush. With the extension to Woodhaven/Metropolitan, it would take around 33-34 minutes to get to Jackson Heights. However, if one gets off at 69 Street for the , they can be in Manhattan in about 50-60 minutes (only works if one is going towards areas at or near 42 Street). The Q52/Q53 takes 10 minutes to get from Metropolitan Avenue to Woodhaven Boulevard. Walking to the from QCM takes appoximately 2 minutes, and then the ride is approximately 5 minutes by train. In total, that is 17 minutes. Of course, that is granted that you do not have to wait for an or , and a LTD bus doesn't flag the stop (everything is coordinated). Let's say it takes 25 minutes to get to/from Manhattan from Roosevelt. That means that the total trip time is 42 minutes. Again, that's if everything is coordinated and you do not have to wait for a train at all, or have buses flag you. If extended to 73 Street and Myrtle, well, I guess it gives those riders another option to Midtown (not many people there take the express bus to Midtown; most of those riders seem to bombard the Q55, although I would still keep the express bus there). I think it may even be faster, given how the Q55 takes 18 minutes between 73 Street and Ridgewood (either option of taking the or the would be treacherous as it is anyways, as the is crowded, and you would have to transfer to another train anyways, and with the , one goes the roundabout way, via Brooklyn, not to mention that its all local). Of course, these travel time comparisons would be inaccurate once the Q47 returns on its regular route (which was slated for sometime this fall, apparently). Simply put, the Glendale folks want the the Q54 & the Q29..... The Q47 is secondary, for obvious reasons (duration to the subway & quite frankly, lack of points of interest/attractions)..... Way I see it, again, running the Q47 to Myrtle would be much ado about nothin.... If you take/see the Q47 enough, you'll notice that buses empty out at Metropolitan for the most part (usually for the Q54, WB).... As for your other suggestion, we seem to be on the same page - I've also thought about Woodhaven/Metropolitan, but I can't think of a feasible turnaround scenario.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted October 9, 2016 Share #4747 Posted October 9, 2016 For Woodhaven/Metro as a Q47 terminus, that appears to be easy: last stop, Woodhaven and Metro, far side. Relay via Metro, Trotting Course Lane, and 73 Avenue. First stop is 73 and Woodhaven. Now, as for the M60 and Q70, might it be better to combine the routes into one? An advantage is that you have one set route servicing the airport as an SBS, and a set layover point in Queens. Additionally, buses are freed up on the LGA side. (This presumes that the suspension of M60 service from the Marine Air Terminal becomes permanent.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted October 9, 2016 Share #4748 Posted October 9, 2016 For Woodhaven/Metro as a Q47 terminus, that appears to be easy: last stop, Woodhaven and Metro, far side. Relay via Metro, Trotting Course Lane, and 73 Avenue. First stop is 73 and Woodhaven. Now, as for the M60 and Q70, might it be better to combine the routes into one? An advantage is that you have one set route servicing the airport as an SBS, and a set layover point in Queens. Additionally, buses are freed up on the LGA side. (This presumes that the suspension of M60 service from the Marine Air Terminal becomes permanent.) That would make the Q70 SBS more unreliable than it currently is (even though it's fast and whatnot, there's still some bunching and lateness; this goes back to day one). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted October 9, 2016 Share #4749 Posted October 9, 2016 For Woodhaven/Metro as a Q47 terminus, that appears to be easy: last stop, Woodhaven and Metro, far side. Relay via Metro, Trotting Course Lane, and 73 Avenue. First stop is 73 and Woodhaven. Now, as for the M60 and Q70, might it be better to combine the routes into one? An advantage is that you have one set route servicing the airport as an SBS, and a set layover point in Queens. Additionally, buses are freed up on the LGA side. (This presumes that the suspension of M60 service from the Marine Air Terminal becomes permanent.) A combined M60-Q70 would make the Woodside-LGA section vulnerable to the vagaries of the RFK Bridge. Better to keep that part as a separate route. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog14 Posted October 9, 2016 Share #4750 Posted October 9, 2016 For Woodhaven/Metro as a Q47 terminus, that appears to be easy: last stop, Woodhaven and Metro, far side. Relay via Metro, Trotting Course Lane, and 73 Avenue. First stop is 73 and Woodhaven. Now, as for the M60 and Q70, might it be better to combine the routes into one? An advantage is that you have one set route servicing the airport as an SBS, and a set layover point in Queens. Additionally, buses are freed up on the LGA side. (This presumes that the suspension of M60 service from the Marine Air Terminal becomes permanent.) The M60 is already pretty slow along 125 St and the RFK can be backed up at times. Then the Q70 has to deal with the BQE. It would be better to keep them separate. The last thing we need is a B15 like scenerio with 20-30 minute waits between buses during the Rush Hr. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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