B35 via Church Posted January 12, 2014 Share #3126 Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) Ideally, I'd like local service (a combination of routes or just the Q1) to be boosted to similar levels to the Q43. As of right now, every Q1 is full leaving 179th during the PM peak, but that's only because people bum-rush it on arrival to avoid the Q43's crowds. I don't know enough about AM usage, though. Anything that'll take pressure off the Q43 is a good thing. I would choose the Q36 to be boosted (over the Q1), not just for better service along Hillside, but also for the simple fact that the route has another substantial riderbase; and that is of the folks along Jamaica east of Springfield (inclusive)..... THE main reason 43's are jammed AFAIC, is that too many routes coming from the east, end at 165th - Which is also why I'd have it (36) run to LIRR Jamaica as well, instead of 165th)... Anyway, As is, the Q1 is not much more than a Q43 short-turn/supplement (lol) that runs to one terminal for coverage reasons (braddock) or to one terminal for layover reasons (LIRR QV)...... Hell, I would boost the Q43 itself before boosting service on the Q1 (this includes more short turns @ 179th during the PM peak, due EB).... I'd go as far as to say that the Q1 should be blown up - with its current service redistributed to w/e other routes along Hillside (which of course, would include the 43)..... In a nutshell, what I'm saying is, there aren't enough "unique" Q1 riders riding along Braddock or Springfield; too many are simply Hillside riders that want the subway or w/e, that happen to take it over the 43 (for w/e the reason; it arrived before the 43, better chance at a seat/less crowding, etc.)..... But yeh, Either of which would be steps to remedying Hillside service..... Edited January 12, 2014 by B35 via Church 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted January 13, 2014 Share #3127 Posted January 13, 2014 I would choose the Q36 to be boosted (over the Q1), not just for better service along Hillside, but also for the simple fact that the route has another substantial riderbase; and that is of the folks along Jamaica east of Springfield (inclusive)..... THE main reason 43's are jammed AFAIC, is that too many routes coming from the east, end at 165th - Which is also why I'd have it (36) run to LIRR Jamaica as well, instead of 165th)... Anyway, As is, the Q1 is not much more than a Q43 short-turn/supplement (lol) that runs to one terminal for coverage reasons (braddock) or to one terminal for layover reasons (LIRR QV)...... Hell, I would boost the Q43 itself before boosting service on the Q1 (this includes more short turns @ 179th during the PM peak, due EB).... I'd go as far as to say that the Q1 should be blown up - with its current service redistributed to w/e other routes along Hillside (which of course, would include the 43)..... In a nutshell, what I'm saying is, there aren't enough "unique" Q1 riders riding along Braddock or Springfield; too many are simply Hillside riders that want the subway or w/e, that happen to take it over the 43 (for w/e the reason; it arrived before the 43, better chance at a seat/less crowding, etc.)..... But yeh, Either of which would be steps to remedying Hillside service..... As a 43 regular, I don't think that the Jamaica Station and east-of-Springfield ridership bases really overlap. If anything, a bus going to Jamaica Station is probably more useful for passengers closer to 179th St. Someone here said that the Q1 uses two bays at 165th, which is ridiculous considering how infrequent the route is. With this information in mind, this proposal: Q43 LTD is all-day, from 165th to 268th (with short turns at 179th, and an additional LTD stop at the 169th St station) Q1 turned into the Q43 local from Jamaica Station to Springfield/Hillside, and probably into QV. Q36 makes an additional limited stop at 169th St. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share #3128 Posted January 13, 2014 As a 43 regular, I don't think that the Jamaica Station and east-of-Springfield ridership bases really overlap. If anything, a bus going to Jamaica Station is probably more useful for passengers closer to 179th St. Someone here said that the Q1 uses two bays at 165th, which is ridiculous considering how infrequent the route is. With this information in mind, this proposal: Q43 LTD is all-day, from 165th to 268th (with short turns at 179th, and an additional LTD stop at the 169th St station) Q1 turned into the Q43 local from Jamaica Station to Springfield/Hillside, and probably into QV. Q36 makes an additional limited stop at 169th St. Yes the Q1 has two bays at 165. One for Bellerose, the other for Queens Village. Same for the N6 which has 3, the Q6 has 3 and its fellow JFK brethren have 2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted January 13, 2014 Share #3129 Posted January 13, 2014 Honestly I believe the Q1 should be eliminated and just have some Q43`s serve Braddock. I would not worry about Springfield as much because the Q27 and Q88 go to Queens Village LIRR and the Q36 passes it. As far as bays in Jamaica 165 I don't think the Q76 and Q77 should share a bay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted January 13, 2014 Share #3130 Posted January 13, 2014 How many riders does the Q1 get on Braddock or Springfield? As for the Q77/Q76, one bay should be enough for their service levels. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3131 Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) How many riders does the Q1 get on Braddock or Springfield? As for the Q77/Q76, one bay should be enough for their service levels. Q1s during the PM Peak have very few people after Springfield, and you could probably count them using your hands. Edited January 14, 2014 by bobtehpanda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3132 Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) How many riders does the Q1 get on Braddock or Springfield? As for the Q77/Q76, one bay should be enough for their service levels. There has been many times when I've seen the Q76 and Q77 at 165st at the same time. The Q1 I think needs to go has the Q43 and Q36 as replacements.How does the Q1 turn around from Braddock Ave? Edited January 14, 2014 by College Pt Man 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share #3133 Posted January 14, 2014 Honestly I believe the Q1 should be eliminated and just have some Q43`s serve Braddock. I would not worry about Springfield as much because the Q27 and Q88 go to Queens Village LIRR and the Q36 passes it. As far as bays in Jamaica 165 I don't think the Q76 and Q77 should share a bay.The 76 and 77 never shared a bay... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3134 Posted January 14, 2014 The 76 and 77 never shared a bay... I know but someone said that the Q77 and Q76 should share a bay and I don't agree with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share #3135 Posted January 14, 2014 I know but someone said that the Q77 and Q76 should share a bay and I don't agree with it.I know they don't run all that frequent, but doesn't warrant a reason to share a lane. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3136 Posted January 14, 2014 The problem with this sort of thinking is that NST is composed of primarily people from Nassau and Suffolk Counties, which both have atrocious levels of transit service (and atrocious attitudes towards transit to match) I also don't think that many of them are looking for Manhattan, since they prize themselves on having everything on-site and the community there isn't that young. And you say that's people from Nassau and Suffolk? Sounds more like they're from the Breezy Point area. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted January 15, 2014 Share #3137 Posted January 15, 2014 I know but someone said that the Q77 and Q76 should share a bay and I don't agree with it. Not a bay at 165th St, but a bus stand at the 179th St stops (and I'm pretty positive they already do, actually) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted January 16, 2014 Share #3138 Posted January 16, 2014 What is all this about the Q76/Q77 sharing a lane/bay inside 165th st terminal? They don't.... They're adjacent (next to) each other..... The Q3 has the northern-most lane, then it's the 77, then the 76...... Then next to the Q76 (due south) are those (unwarranted, IMO) 2 Q1 lanes; Q1 via Braddock, Q1 to LIRR QV, respectively..... Anyway.... As a 43 regular, I don't think that the Jamaica Station and east-of-Springfield ridership bases really overlap. If anything, a bus going to Jamaica Station is probably more useful for passengers closer to 179th St. Someone here said that the Q1 uses two bays at 165th, which is ridiculous considering how infrequent the route is. With this information in mind, this proposal:Q43 LTD is all-day, from 165th to 268th (with short turns at 179th, and an additional LTD stop at the 169th St station)Q1 turned into the Q43 local from Jamaica Station to Springfield/Hillside, and probably into QV.Q36 makes an additional limited stop at 169th St. 1) On the Q43? The riderbases on your route [those boarding east of Springfield riding to the F & anyone riding toward Sutphin (meaning, anyone boarding from 268th on & are riding past the F, due west] definitely overlap... Yes, the majority are folks west of Springfield (not disputing that)... However, the only real question is, to what extent of the east of springfield folks ride past the F.... I can't say/believe it is that little to put it out there that I don't think they really overlap...... Essentially what you're alluding to with that statement is that the Q43 & the Q1 should perhaps swap eastern terminals (to better suit riders needs).... 2) As for the other part of the post, yeh, there are 2 separate lanes for the Q1 inside 165.... 1 for each branch; funny to see ppl. walking back & forth wondering which Q1 is going where - b/c you get b/o's that just pull up & pull out of either of the lanes... The MTABus part of the terminal is even worse with that - you have buses pulling into any ole lane & leaving as any ole bus sometimes (example: an incoming Q6 pulling into one of the Q8 bays [as if the 3 lanes that's designated for the Q6 aren't enough] to terminate, & then leaving 165th as a Q9... something like that).... There has been many times when I've seen the Q76 and Q77 at 165st at the same time. The Q1 I think needs to go has the Q43 and Q36 as replacements.How does the Q1 turn around from Braddock Ave? So you should know for certain those 2 routes don't share the same lane inside 165th...... Anyway, for the Braddock buses back towards 165th, there's a u-turn lane just north of Jamaica av that it uses..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share #3139 Posted January 16, 2014 What is all this about the Q76/Q77 sharing a lane/bay inside 165th st terminal? They don't.... They're adjacent (next to) each other..... The Q3 has the northern-most lane, then it's the 77, then the 76...... Then next to the Q76 (due south) are those (unwarranted, IMO) 2 Q1 lanes; Q1 via Braddock, Q1 to LIRR QV, respectively..... Anyway.... 1) On the Q43? The riderbases on your route [those boarding east of Springfield riding to the F & anyone riding toward Sutphin (meaning, anyone boarding from 268th on & are riding past the F, due west] definitely overlap... Yes, the majority are folks west of Springfield (not disputing that)... However, the only real question is, to what extent of the east of springfield folks ride past the F.... I can't say/believe it is that little to put it out there that I don't think they really overlap...... Essentially what you're alluding to with that statement is that the Q43 & the Q1 should perhaps swap eastern terminals (to better suit riders needs).... 2) As for the other part of the post, yeh, there are 2 separate lanes for the Q1 inside 165.... 1 for each branch; funny to see ppl. walking back & forth wondering which Q1 is going where - b/c you get b/o's that just pull up & pull out of either of the lanes... The MTABus part of the terminal is even worse with that - you have buses pulling into any ole lane & leaving as any ole bus sometimes (example: an incoming Q6 pulling into one of the Q8 bays [as if the 3 lanes that's designated for the Q6 aren't enough] to terminate, & then leaving 165th as a Q9... something like that).... So you should know for certain those 2 routes don't share the same lane inside 165th...... Anyway, for the Braddock buses back towards 165th, there's a u-turn lane just north of Jamaica av that it uses..... Ok. Here's the lane assignments at 165, prior to 2010: Q3 Q75 Q76 Q1 Bellerose Q1 Queens Village Q36 Q2 Q77 N6 3 lanes N22/22A 2 lanes N24 N1/2/3/26 2010-12 Q3 Q77 Q76 Q1 Bellerose Q1 Queens Village Q36 Q2 empty lane N6 3 lanes N22/22A 2 lanes N24 N1/2/3/26 2012-present Q1 Bellerose Q1 Queens Village Q36 Q76 Q36 Q3 Q77 Q2 The Q76 and 77 share a stop at 169 St . At 179, the Q77 stops with the Q17, (at Hillside and 178) the stop formerly occupied by the defunct Q75. The Q76 stops with the Q3 at the corner of 179 and Hillside. A little off topic but here's Jamaica Ctr until 1996 Q85 N4 Q5 Q4 Q42 Q84 Q83 Q6/8/9/41 to Jamaica 1996-1999 Q5 N4 Q85 Q4 Q42 Q84 Q83 Q6/8/9/41 1999-2001 N4 Q5 Q5 LTD Q85 Q4 Q42 Q84 Q83 Q6/8/9/41 2001-2004 N4 Q5 Q5 LTD Q85 Q85 LTD Q4 Q4 LTD Q83 LCL/LTD Q6/8/9/41 The Q42 and 84 received passengers at Archer and 153 Present day Q5 Green Acres/233 Q5 LTD Q85 Green Acres/Rochdale Q85 LTD Q4 Q4 LTD Q83 LCL/LTD Q25/34/65 across 158 St... Q84 Q42 N4 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted January 16, 2014 Share #3140 Posted January 16, 2014 The Q1 appears to be another way to provide service to Hillside where there is most demand. Technically it may be cheaper to keep it because it's basically an inner looping Q43 bus with short turns on both ends. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted January 17, 2014 Share #3141 Posted January 17, 2014 Is there a reason why the N4 was moved from the front bays at Parsons and Archer to the back at Archer and 158th Street? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted January 17, 2014 Share #3142 Posted January 17, 2014 I remember hopping on the N4 at Parsons/ Archer. I wonder why they moved it back to 158th/Archer From tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted January 18, 2014 Share #3143 Posted January 18, 2014 Probably to reduce bus congestion in Jamaica. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 21, 2014 Share #3144 Posted January 21, 2014 correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like jamaica center's current bus bay assignments reflect the most used routes being closest to the parsons blvd enterance. with the exception of the N4. Sent from my BlackBerry PlayBook using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted January 21, 2014 Share #3145 Posted January 21, 2014 The N4's all the way back in the boondocks... almost creepy down there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted January 21, 2014 Share #3146 Posted January 21, 2014 Q32: Extend via Northern Blvd to 94th St. Q72: Runs every 20 minutes during weekend. Q101: Extend to 3rd Av/60th St. Manhattan-bound: Via Queensboro Bridge, exit to 60th St ramp, stop at 2nd Av, then 3rd Av, then terminate. Queens-bound: Begin at BxM1 bus stop at 3rd Av/60th-61st St, turn right at 62nd St, turn right at 2nd Av, regular route. Q103: Extend to Long Island City Pier via Borden Av and 2nd St. Borden Av/2nd St and East River Ferry Parking Lot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted January 21, 2014 Share #3147 Posted January 21, 2014 Q32: Extend via Northern Blvd to 94th St. Q72: Runs every 20 minutes during weekend. Q101: Extend to 3rd Av/60th St. Manhattan-bound: Via Queensboro Bridge, exit to 60th St ramp, stop at 2nd Av, then 3rd Av, then terminate. Queens-bound: Begin at BxM1 bus stop at 3rd Av/60th-61st St, turn right at 62nd St, turn right at 2nd Av, regular route. Q103: Extend to Long Island City Pier via Borden Av and 2nd St. Borden Av/2nd St and East River Ferry Parking Lot. The first two won't happen, I honestly think the Q72 is fine with its 30 minute headways. The Q32 is also long, so I don't think it should be extended. The Q101, I have to ask, what is the exact purpose? Not many people take the 101 into and out of Manhattan. The Q32 already runs to 3 Avenue. I don't think it makes a stop on 3 Avenue, but if it doesn't, then add the stop and that's it. The Q103 one isn't pretty bad. It has to connect to the ferry, and also during middays also, if extended to the ferry, and if it connects to the ferry, you can bring some more ridership. It may, but during the rush hour, it will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted January 22, 2014 Share #3148 Posted January 22, 2014 The first two won't happen, I honestly think the Q72 is fine with its 30 minute headways. The Q32 is also long, so I don't think it should be extended. The Q101, I have to ask, what is the exact purpose? Not many people take the 101 into and out of Manhattan. The Q32 already runs to 3 Avenue. I don't think it makes a stop on 3 Avenue, but if it doesn't, then add the stop and that's it. The Q103 one isn't pretty bad. It has to connect to the ferry, and also during middays also, if extended to the ferry, and if it connects to the ferry, you can bring some more ridership. It may, but during the rush hour, it will. Actually Q72 already has 20 minute headways on weekends. Plus people are fed up with it's unreliablity that is on par with some Manhattan buses which is just plain sad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted January 22, 2014 Share #3149 Posted January 22, 2014 Actually Q72 already has 20 minute headways on weekends. Plus people are fed up with it's unreliablity that is on par with some Manhattan buses which is just plain sad. Well only on saturdays. It doesn't need anymore service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted January 22, 2014 Share #3150 Posted January 22, 2014 The N4's all the way back in the boondocks... almost creepy down there. Good enough to be used as a public bathroom during the wee hours of the morning.... Lol..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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