TheSubwayStation Posted June 3, 2012 Share #951 Posted June 3, 2012 All I'm trying to say is that a bunch of people thought the stuck would not block 6th AND 8th Av service, but the nycsubway.org diagram shows that it would. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted June 3, 2012 Share #952 Posted June 3, 2012 All I'm trying to say is that a bunch of people thought the stuck would not block 6th AND 8th Av service, but the nycsubway.org diagram shows that it would. The diagram shows that no matter what, there would still be at least one path for trains to go through. Sure, it may block both regular and regular service, but it's not like no uptown local trains can move through the junction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted June 3, 2012 Share #953 Posted June 3, 2012 The diagram shows that no matter what, there would still be at least one path for trains to go through. Sure, it may block both regular and regular service, but it's not like no uptown local trains can move through the junction. Okay, that makes sense. NEXT: W 8 St-NY Aquarium Station collapses. No or trains can pass by. Try to solve this without suspending the , as the NIS trains would have to be put somewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted June 3, 2012 Share #954 Posted June 3, 2012 No trains between Kings Highway and Brighton Beach. No trains between Brighton Beach and Coney Island. No trains between Av X and Coney Island. NEXT Because of low-quality construction, South Ferry station floods. This affects both the new station and the loops. Affected: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted June 3, 2012 Share #955 Posted June 3, 2012 NEXT Because of low-quality construction, South Ferry station floods. This affects both the new station and the loops. Affected: Oh, gee... .Interesting challenge, though: downtown trains terminate at 34 St-Penn Station. Because of capacity constraints, some trains leave service and go to 137 St Yard runs normally to Flatbush Av most trains run via Manhattan Bridge, some Manhattan bound trains terminate at Court St 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lance Posted June 3, 2012 Share #956 Posted June 3, 2012 242 St to 14 St (express btwn 34 St & 14 St during the day); shuttle buses replace trains btwn Chambers St and South Ferry (2)/ local btwn 34 St-Penn Station and Chambers St Dyre Avenue to Brooklyn Bridge on weekends (weekday, overnight service unaffected) via Bridge in both directions (some trains terminate at Canal St s/b and Court St n/b to avoid having too many trains on the bridge); use trains for nearby stops 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted June 3, 2012 Share #957 Posted June 3, 2012 242 St to 14 St (express btwn 34 St & 14 St during the day); shuttle buses replace trains btwn Chambers St and South Ferry (2)/ local btwn 34 St-Penn Station and Chambers St Dyre Avenue to Brooklyn Bridge on weekends (weekday, overnight service unaffected) via Bridge in both directions (some trains terminate at Canal St s/b and Court St n/b to avoid having too many trains on the bridge); use trains for nearby stops Are you sure that the single track at 14 St can handle all of the service? BTW, I meant to run the local between 34 St-Penn Station and Chambers St. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted June 3, 2012 Share #958 Posted June 3, 2012 (edited) The together is around 40 tph. Terminating the in Manhattan won't work, since the three lines will have to cross somewhere. Since this is a long-term service change, here's what I'd do: to New Lots Av local south of 42 St terminates at 14 St terminates at Brooklyn Bridge instead of Bowling Green weekends Runs local on Broadway to avoid switching Runs via the bridge. If the fit into the 60 St tunnel, they can fit onto the bridge. Edited June 3, 2012 by NX Express 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted June 3, 2012 Share #959 Posted June 3, 2012 (edited) NEXT: W 8 St-NY Aquarium Station collapses. No or trains can pass by. Try to solve this without suspending the , as the NIS trains would have to be put somewhere. to Avenue X or Neptune Av to Brighton Beach B68 provides alternate service NEXT Because of low-quality construction, South Ferry station floods. This affects both the new station and the loops. Affected: to Rector St to New Lots Av to Flatbush Av via the Bridge Canal St to Rector St Edited June 3, 2012 by trainguy97 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted June 3, 2012 Share #960 Posted June 3, 2012 (edited) Even simpler than that NX. Remember when Coney Island was being re-built? The only catch is that both the and the can go to it. to Neptune/Van Sicklen Av to Ocean Parkway B68 provides alternate service How would the turn around? What about the ? to Rector St to New Lots Av via the Bridge Canal St to Rector St How would the turn around? How would New Lots handle the (I assume you mean 5, not 4)? And what would a shuttle accomplish? Passengers can take the 4/5 and transfer at 14th or Atlantic. Edited June 3, 2012 by NX Express 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted June 3, 2012 Share #961 Posted June 3, 2012 I don't see why people are suggesting the to New Lots or Brooklyn Bridge; it can just go to Flatbush as usual. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted June 3, 2012 Share #962 Posted June 3, 2012 (edited) How would the turn around? What about the ? Ok, I revised it some more, trains will go to Av X, some trains skip Av U. Ok, both the turn at Brighton Beach. And yes they can, I remember when the did it. How would the turn around? How would New Lots handle the (I assume you mean 5, not 4)? And what would a shuttle accomplish? Passengers can take the 4/5 and transfer at 14th or Atlantic. The turns at the track south of Rector St, and the would be extended to New Lots Av. I am assuming that there is nothing wrong with the normal track, just the loop at Bowling Green. Sure the could turn at Utica, fine by me. service to Brooklyn. I don't see why people are suggesting the to New Lots or Brooklyn Bridge; it can just go to Flatbush as usual. I made this unclear, but thank-you. Edited June 3, 2012 by trainguy97 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted June 3, 2012 Share #963 Posted June 3, 2012 (edited) The single switch south of Rector St would not be enough to handle 20tph service. And I suggested Brooklyn Bridge as that's cheaper for the MTA then sending the all the way to Flatbush Av. Edited June 3, 2012 by NX Express 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted June 3, 2012 Share #964 Posted June 3, 2012 The single switch south of Rector St would not be enough to handle 20tph service. And I suggested Brooklyn Bridge as that's cheaper for the MTA then sending the all the way to Flatbush Av. Usually emergency service changes are not designed to save the MTA cash; I think it's good to keep the route as normal as possible by sending it to its normal terminal, Flatbush Av. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted June 3, 2012 Share #965 Posted June 3, 2012 (edited) You're right. NEXT The MTA decides to rebuild its worst stations from scratch. As a result, South Ferry , Chambers St , and 21 St are closed. Note that the SF loop can be used (not the loop station, but the tracks). Edited June 3, 2012 by NX Express 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgor Posted June 3, 2012 Share #966 Posted June 3, 2012 NEXTBecause of low-quality construction, South Ferry station floods. This affects both the new station and the loops. Affected: By the train being affected, I assume you mean that it can't use the inner loop at the South Ferry station, and that the Bowling Green station is unaffected? (because you didn't mention the ) terminates at Rector Street terminates at Bowling Green by switching to the uptown track using the switches directly north of the station. Since trains only terminate at Bowling Green in the evening and on weekends there will be minimal delays. (Didn't they used to terminate like this? I remember many years ago seeing a train pull into Bowling Green the wrong way on the uptown platform) via the bridge 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted June 3, 2012 Share #967 Posted June 3, 2012 (edited) disregard Edited June 3, 2012 by TheSubwayStation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted June 3, 2012 Share #968 Posted June 3, 2012 (edited) By the train being affected, I assume you mean that it can't use the inner loop at the South Ferry station, and that the Bowling Green station is unaffected? (because you didn't mention the ) terminates at Rector Street Yes, I meant the inner loop. As I said above, Rector St's single switch can't handle the 20 tph of the . shuttle runs between Myrtle Av and Metropolitan Av other section runs between Forest Hills-71 Av and 2 Av Jamaica Center-Essex St Why would you break the ? The can terminate at Essex without obstructing the . Edited June 3, 2012 by NX Express 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted June 3, 2012 Share #969 Posted June 3, 2012 (edited) You're right. NEXT The MTA decides to rebuild its worst stations from scratch. As a result, South Ferry , Chambers St , and 21 St are closed. Note that the SF loop can be used (not the loop station, but the tracks). runs to New Lots Av runs local below Times Sq-42 St terminates at 14 St runs via Manhattan Bridge, with some trains terminating at Court St terminates at Essex St suspended terminates at Greenpoint Av runs local between 14 St-Union Sq and Brooklyn Bridge to provide transfer to at Bleecker St; then transfer to at Delancey/Essex Sts service runs less frequently Lower Manhattan customers can also take to W 4 St to transfer to Edited June 3, 2012 by TheSubwayStation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted June 3, 2012 Share #970 Posted June 3, 2012 Because of low-quality construction, South Ferry station floods. This affects both the new station and the loops.Affected: runs all times to Flatbush Avenue and replaces the in Brooklyn terminates at 34th Street-Penn Station all times normal service except local Chambers-Times Square when running to Brooklyn. unaffected runs local 14th Street-Brooklyn Bridge and terminates at BB when not running to Brooklyn. Select (J)/(Z) trains extended to 95th Street-Brooklyn station (normal (J)/(Z) skip-stop service suspended to accommodate this). split in the following manner: Some trains via the Bridge Canal Street-DeKalb Avenue Other trains terminate at Canal Street. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDTA Posted June 3, 2012 Share #971 Posted June 3, 2012 You're right. NEXT The MTA decides to rebuild its worst stations from scratch. As a result, South Ferry , Chambers St , and 21 St are closed. Note that the SF loop can be used (not the loop station, but the tracks). To Greenpoint Ave Terminate at Canal St using the abandoned tracks Via the bridge Via the loop 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted June 3, 2012 Share #972 Posted June 3, 2012 NEXT Because of a switch malfunction, no southbound local trains can pass Grand Central . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted June 3, 2012 Share #973 Posted June 3, 2012 NEXT Because of a switch malfunction, no southbound local trains can pass Grand Central . Oh gawd... trains go via local southbound only. trains run b/w 149th Street or E.180th Street-Dyre Avenue. Trains going to 149th Street run express and run every 35 minutes. service is unaffected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted June 3, 2012 Share #974 Posted June 3, 2012 Oh gawd... trains go via local southbound only. trains run b/w 149th Street or E.180th Street-Dyre Avenue. Trains going to 149th Street run express and run every 35 minutes. service is unaffected. You know what I am known for. Check the Quote below for red highlighting. Then revise your ish accordingly. NEXT Because of a switch malfunction, no southbound local trains can pass Grand Central . Some trains via 7 Av Local to Flatbush Av Some trains 3 Av to Pelham Bay Pkwy while others Express between 42 and 14 St 3 Av to Pelham Bay Pkwy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgor Posted June 3, 2012 Share #975 Posted June 3, 2012 NEXT Because of a switch malfunction, no southbound local trains can pass Grand Central . SOUTHBOUND trains run via the between the Bronx and Brooklyn SOUTHBOUND trains run express between Grand Central and Union Square There will only be minor delays ( are already pretty much always delayed around there rush hour anyways). And better to run trains with small delays than to have them terminate in the middle of nowhere, thus delaying commuters' trips by even more and causing great inconvenience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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