DaTransitMan4608 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20301 Posted April 13, 2017 Yeah, if they could only burn all of them I'd be a happy camper. I hate those buses with a passion. Lol you're buggin. Those D60HFs are the bomb. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20302 Posted April 13, 2017 Lol you're buggin. Those D60HFs are the bomb. Aren't they just the longer version of those 40 footer Orion buses that I also hated? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20303 Posted April 13, 2017 Aren't they just the longer version of those 40 footer Orion buses that I also hated?Both were built by different companies. The new flyers you are talking about did have a 40 foot counterpart that we never got in the city. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20304 Posted April 13, 2017 Both were built by different companies. The new flyers you are talking about did have a 40 foot counterpart that we never got in the city. Interesting. They have a very similar design to say the least. I surely won't miss them that's for sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20305 Posted April 13, 2017 The news article said the bus had no passengers, did that mean after they evacuated or before otherwise that M101 was running hot. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20306 Posted April 13, 2017 The news article said the bus had no passengers, did that mean after they evacuated or before otherwise that M101 was running hot. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app For whatever reason, sometimes those buses lay up over there, then come around via 42nd and start on 3rd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20307 Posted April 13, 2017 I was just on the Q44 and if you go north from the 39th ave/main st stop, idk if they're doing things to the machines but they had a lot of crewmen working, they might be moving them idk Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV184 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20308 Posted April 13, 2017 The news article said the bus had no passengers, did that mean after they evacuated or before otherwise that M101 was running hot. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app That's crazy.. But I believe they might fix it since these buses still look good and still have a few more years to go. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20309 Posted April 13, 2017 That's crazy.. But I believe they might fix it since these buses still look good and still have a few more years to go. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Highly doubt it. These buses have I'd say 2 more yrs max., one bad accident or fire and they are gone for good. If it took 1 hr to put out, certainly wasn't a small fire then and apparently there are charred remains. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20310 Posted April 13, 2017 That's crazy.. But I believe they might fix it since these buses still look good and still have a few more years to go. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app I doubt that it'll be rebuilt seeing how a few years ago 5615, also at Tuskegee at the time, was burned in a similar fashion to 5719 and it was scrapped shortly after it burned. Also, the new 6000's are being delivered to Tuskegee over the next few months so don't expect to see 5719 back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Former New Yorker Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20311 Posted April 13, 2017 How Do School Tripper Work In The Bronx 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV184 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20312 Posted April 13, 2017 I doubt that it'll be rebuilt seeing how a few years ago 5615, also at Tuskegee at the time, was burned in a similar fashion to 5719 and it was scrapped shortly after it burned. Also, the new 6000's are being delivered to Tuskegee over the next few months so don't expect to see 5719 back. So Depots don't fix buses when they go on fire but fix buses if like they crash into a car or building. I say this because I remember Manhattanville crashed in pizza shop and the whole front of the bus was destroyed but they fixed and that bus is still running so that's why I'm asking. Also what route are those 6000 going to run on when they arrive to TU? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20313 Posted April 13, 2017 So Depots don't fix buses when they go on fire but fix buses if like they crash into a car or building. I say this because I remember Manhattanville crashed in pizza shop and the whole front of the bus was destroyed but they fixed and that bus is still running so that's why I'm asking. Also what route are those 6000 going to run on when they arrive to TU? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Depends on how serious the fire is, and how old the bus is. If its gonna be retired soon, doesn't make sense spend money to fix it, for it to get scrapped in under 1000 days. 8017 was a fairly new Nova LFS from 2011, got into a serious fire, bus hasn't been fixed since. Some of the 2015 New Flyer XD40s are OOS for serious head on accidents, and they're expected to get fixed. Its easier to fix a frame than to fix charred parts and replace it with new parts. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20314 Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) So Depots don't fix buses when they go on fire but fix buses if like they crash into a car or building. I say this because I remember Manhattanville crashed in pizza shop and the whole front of the bus was destroyed but they fixed and that bus is still running so that's why I'm asking. Also what route are those 6000 going to run on when they arrive to TU? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app There's a difference with what you're talking about. That hybrid got rebuilt because there was another hybrid pending scrap, in which they used various parts from that to repair and rebuild the bus in question. This D60HF is one of many pending retirement, with XD60s coming very, very soon. As for your question with the 6000s running on, they only run artics on 4 routes, so that should answer your question. It's not worth the cost to repair this artic. Edited April 13, 2017 by Cait Sith 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Train92 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20315 Posted April 13, 2017 Yeah, if they could only burn all of them I'd be a happy camper. I hate those buses with a passion. April Fools was 2 weeks ago buddy... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20316 Posted April 13, 2017 April Fools was 2 weeks ago buddy... They'll be retired soon enough, so my wish will be granted one way or another. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV184 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20317 Posted April 13, 2017 There's a difference with what you're talking about. That hybrid got rebuilt because there was another hybrid pending scrap, in which they used various parts from that to repair and rebuild the bus in question. This D60HF is one of many pending retirement, with XD60s coming very, very soon. As for your question with the 6000s running on, they only run artics on 4 routes, so that should answer your question. It's not worth the cost to repair this artic. Oh Ok I understand. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20318 Posted April 13, 2017 Aren't they just the longer version of those 40 footer Orion buses that I also hated?We have the 40' CNG low floor cousins of them (C40s) running now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20319 Posted April 13, 2017 We have the 40' CNG low floor cousins of them (C40s) running now What's confusing to me is how the design is similar and yet they are made by different companies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20320 Posted April 13, 2017 This applies to subways as well. The R142 and R142A are similar in design but made by two different companies. The decision to scrap a bus vs. rebuild one is made on a case by case basis. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20321 Posted April 13, 2017 This applies to subways as well. The R142 and R142A are similar in design but made by two different companies. The decision to scrap a bus vs. rebuild one is made on a case by case basis. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app How exactly does that work though? I mean they're obviously not identical but pretty damn close. What I'm surprised about is that none of these companies have been hauled into court for patent infringement. I mean I would think the design and function of these buses would be protected for obvious reasons. Just curious since part of my job involves working with patents from time to time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20322 Posted April 13, 2017 How exactly does that work though? I mean they're obviously not identical but pretty damn close. What I'm surprised about is that none of these companies have been hauled into court for patent infringement. I mean I would think the design and function of these buses would be protected for obvious reasons. Just curious since part of my job involves working with patents from time to time. The D60HF and C40LF are both manufactured by New Flyer, unless you are comparing the D60HF with the Orion 5, which other than having the same engine-transmission combo (usually spec'd by the customer) are pretty different in design. As for the R142 and R142A comparison brought up earlier, the design was contracted out to Antenna Design which owns all the NTT designs (thats how the new WMATA trains look like R160s; WMATA contracted Antenna to make that design fit their specifications). Antenna also owns the design of the MetroCard Vending Machines and the turnstiles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20323 Posted April 13, 2017 The D60HF and C40LF are both manufactured by New Flyer, unless you are comparing the D60HF with the Orion 5, which other than having the same engine-transmission combo (usually spec'd by the customer) are pretty different in design. As for the R142 and R142A comparison brought up earlier, the design was contracted out to Antenna Design which owns all the NTT designs (thats how the new WMATA trains look like R160s; WMATA contracted Antenna to make that design fit their specifications). Antenna also owns the design of the MetroCard Vending Machines and the turnstiles. Yeah I'm talking about the D60HF and Orion 5. They don't look that different to me. If I took the D60HF and made it into a 40 footer, I don't see much of a difference, save the design of the back and the muffler. The front looks almost identical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20324 Posted April 13, 2017 Yeah I'm talking about the D60HF and Orion 5. They don't look that different to me. If I took the D60HF and made it into a 40 footer, I don't see much of a difference, save the design of the back and the muffler. The front looks almost identical. Just to show you the differences here is an Orion V and a D40HF (the 40 foot version of the D60HF). Specifically note the number of windows between the front and rear doors and the arrangements of the doors themselves and the arrangement of the front lights and locations of various other turning signals and reflective strips... That indented drivers window is also essentially an Orion trademark. Sure buses looked *somewhat* similar but under more scrutiny they aren't close really... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted April 13, 2017 Share #20325 Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) Just to show you the differences here is an Orion V and a D40HF (the 40 foot version of the D60HF). Specifically note the number of windows between the front and rear doors and the arrangements of the doors themselves and the arrangement of the front lights and locations of various other turning signals and reflective strips... That indented drivers window is also essentially an Orion trademark. Sure buses looked *somewhat* similar but under more scrutiny they aren't close really... You didn't even use two buses... Shakes finger and head... This is a much better comparison: Hell even the indented window is similar though the one on the 40 footer goes back in a bit more... lol It's hard to believe that these buses were created by two different companies. Edited April 13, 2017 by Via Garibaldi 8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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