paulrivera Posted October 16, 2015 Share #16251 Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Maybe one broke down? Isn't that the bus line with all of the old buses? Actually upon further research the way they schedule the route (and the combined schedule in general if you're going from Pelham Bay to any non-Bay Plaza Co-op City destination in general) is horrible. Look at this: Bx29 to BP: 1:14 Bx23 1-2-3-4-5: 1:15 Q50 1-2-3-4-5: 1:16 Bx23 5-4-3-2-1: 1:18 Then a 26 minute gap until: Bx29 to BP: 1:44 Bx23 1-2-3-4-5: 1:45 Q50 1-2-3-4-5: 1:46 Bx23 5-4-3-2-1: 1:48 I just assumed there was a 1:30 bus since there was a Guide-a-Ride at the Q50/Bx23 1-5 stop that had buses on the quarter hour, and this is the way they are scheduled during the weekends. In regards to the old buses, yeah they have RTS buses nowadays, but I saw an Orion V with EC stickers laying over as well. Edited October 16, 2015 by paulrivera 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 16, 2015 Share #16252 Posted October 16, 2015 Actually upon further research the way they schedule the route (and the combined schedule in general if you're going from Pelham Bay to any non-Bay Plaza Co-op City destination in general) is horrible. Look at this: Bx29 to BP: 1:14 Bx23 1-2-3-4-5: 1:15 Q50 1-2-3-4-5: 1:16 Bx23 5-4-3-2-1: 1:18 Then a 26 minute gap until: Bx29 to BP: 1:44 Bx23 1-2-3-4-5: 1:45 Q50 1-2-3-4-5: 1:46 Bx23 5-4-3-2-1: 1:48 I just assumed there was a 1:30 bus since there was a Guide-a-Ride at the Q50/Bx23 1-5 stop that had buses on the quarter hour, and this is the way they are scheduled during the weekends. In regards to the old buses, yeah they have RTS buses nowadays, but I saw an Orion V with EC stickers laying over as well. Weird schedule... The only time I see buses set up like that is if two bus loads of people get on. Is that the case here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted October 17, 2015 Share #16253 Posted October 17, 2015 Rode 8093 on the Q5 today. The interior kind of looks like the XD's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted October 17, 2015 Share #16254 Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) I know the 1-2-3-4-5 loop Bx23 went full and the Bx29 I went on (I needed section 5) went full and both arrived on time. I'm guessing the 5-4-3-2-1 Bx23 went empty since it was late and the 29 took most of its load, while the Q50 (which was also late) probably wasn't too crowded either since the other 23 relieved its load; all it had was probably some riders left over from Queens and the occasional Gun Hill employee. I'm actually looking at the Bx24 and the Bee-Line schedule as well and it seems those low frequency routes actually connect well with each other: Bx24 from Country Club: 1:07 Bx29 from BP: 1:10 BL-45 arrival: 1:12 Bx29 to BP: 1:14 Bx23 to 1-2-3-4-5: 1:15 Q50 to 1-2-3-4-5: 1:16 Bx23 to 5-4-3-2-1: 1:18 Bx24 to Country Club: 1:18 BL-45 departure: 1:20 Bx24 from Country Club: 1:37 Bx29 from BP: 1:40 Bx29 to BP: 1:44 Bx23 1-2-3-4-5: 1:45 Q50 1-2-3-4-5: 1:46 Bx24 to Country Club: 1:47 Bx23 5-4-3-2-1: 1:48 Reminds me of the schedules out of the Ferry terminal on SI... Edited October 17, 2015 by paulrivera 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted October 17, 2015 Share #16255 Posted October 17, 2015 I've noticed on quite a few artics from CS no longer have rear billboards but now retrofitted with side vents as similar to the septa novas. Also. I spotted 8111 and 8116 out of East New York with rear ads. Those small ads look real tacky and they need to take a note from Septa. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted October 17, 2015 Share #16256 Posted October 17, 2015 I've noticed on quite a few artics from CS no longer have rear billboards but now retrofitted with side vents as similar to the septa novas. Also. I spotted 8111 and 8116 out of East New York with rear ads. Those small ads look real tacky and they need to take a note from Septa. I saw one ad on 8119 on the B15, and yes, they look horrible. Rather leave that space empty and put it right below that spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted October 17, 2015 Share #16257 Posted October 17, 2015 I saw one ad on 8119 on the B15, and yes, they look horrible. Rather leave that space empty and put it right below that spot. Right now the ads on those buses look really disgusting and needs to take a note from (SEPTA) What you will see on a septa bus and not on a bus is exterior roof ads on the newer novas, and I highly doubt they can fit a full 30x215 ad Honestly the needs to invest on (SEPTA) like ads which could mean a change of advertising firms I believe Titan Outdoor is the vendor for SEPTA, and CBS outdoor is for the - Please someone correct me on this. While I'm on the subject of ads for a second. This may be a bit complexed but why does Manhattan division get all of the good exterior 30x240 (without covering the battery panel) + roof ads than Brooklyn and Queens Divisions. I believe they are rules when it comes to these forms of practices. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted October 17, 2015 Share #16258 Posted October 17, 2015 They (CBS Outdoor) don't have an ad that size yet. Pretty sure you'll see one that fits back there eventually 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetSMART45 Posted October 17, 2015 Share #16259 Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) They (CBS Outdoor) don't have an ad that size yet. Pretty sure you'll see one that fits back there eventually Outfront (CBS Outdoor) is only selling what MTA wants. Tails are 17.5"h x 50"w, and Tail XLs are 18"h x 68.5"w. In fact, Tails have the drawing of an RTS with the ad centered and a pic of 6687 as an example (running an M3). Tail XL is also pictured with an Orion (no number visible). In the Detroit market (also Outfront), the following: --Tails: 18"h x 84"w SMART (Gilligs), 21"h x 84"w DDOT (New Flyers); --Supertails (covers all of engine door only): 35"h x 84"w SMART and Ann Arbor, 35"h x 82"w DDOT; --Supertail XL (covers engine door and upper panel to vent level): 52"h x 84"w Ann Arbor only; --Full Backs (entire rear panel): 85"h x 100"w but varies by bus model -- all agencies. These are from the current production handbooks. Detroit is "Version 1.0", since I think they recently changed to Outfront within the past couple years, and New York's is "Revised November 2014". Have to look to see if a new one is up, since "L-sides" were only available on Orions but from some of the pics shared here, they're on MCIs as well, so MTA must have changed some things. Edited October 17, 2015 by DetSMART45 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted October 17, 2015 Share #16260 Posted October 17, 2015 Speaking of ads, I don't think 6037 is going to be retired anytime soon. It seems to me like they recently put a new ad on that bus, and it's no regular ad. It's that ad that covers The WHOLE space from wheel to wheel, and stretches all the way to the very bottom of the bus. Looks horrible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted October 17, 2015 Share #16261 Posted October 17, 2015 Speaking of ads, I don't think 6037 is going to be retired anytime soon. It seems to me like they recently put a new ad on that bus, and it's no regular ad. It's that ad that covers The WHOLE space from wheel to wheel, and stretches all the way to the very bottom of the bus. Looks horrible. Doesn't necessarily mean it won't get retired anytime soon. They've repainted buses before and retired them shortly after. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3238 RFW Posted October 17, 2015 Share #16262 Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) I think that bus will get retired I agree with Cait sit they have retired buses that they have painted and covered with ads before. Edited October 17, 2015 by R3238 RFW 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 17, 2015 Share #16263 Posted October 17, 2015 Speaking of ads, I don't think 6037 is going to be retired anytime soon. It seems to me like they recently put a new ad on that bus, and it's no regular ad. It's that ad that covers The WHOLE space from wheel to wheel, and stretches all the way to the very bottom of the bus. Looks horrible. Heh please... They can't retire those damn Orions soon enough. It's definitely nice to see those new buses on the Q32. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted October 18, 2015 Share #16264 Posted October 18, 2015 Q27 also has school trippers from CS I see them when I get off the 7 with xd40 sucks cause they used always be OV's. It reminded me when I was young and the 27 always had OV's on them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 18, 2015 Share #16265 Posted October 18, 2015 Q27 also has school trippers from CS I see them when I get off the 7 with xd40 sucks cause they used always be OV's. It reminded me when I was young and the 27 always had OV's on them It only sucks because those kids will destroy those buses. Should use older buses on those lines.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted October 18, 2015 Share #16266 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) delete Edited October 18, 2015 by ttcsubwayfan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3238 RFW Posted October 18, 2015 Share #16267 Posted October 18, 2015 Do any of you know if Nova ever passed an initial audit inspection with the RTS, LFSA or Prevost? The XD40s are gold on the Q27 Although I do miss the Orion Vs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted October 18, 2015 Share #16268 Posted October 18, 2015 It only sucks because those kids will destroy those buses. Should use older buses on those lines....Not necessarily. Ignorant folks destroy buses. People who just don't care about others things. Not all kids are bad. Adults can destroy stuff too, it is just based on how you were raised up. I tend to feel that kids between 8-13 are more likely to do crazier than high school and older but it's just based on how a child was raised if they were taught to respect property. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 18, 2015 Share #16269 Posted October 18, 2015 Not necessarily. Ignorant folks destroy buses. People who just don't care about others things. Not all kids are bad. Adults can destroy stuff too, it is just based on how you were raised up. I tend to feel that kids between 8-13 are more likely to do crazier than high school and older but it's just based on how a child was raised if they were taught to respect property. Yeah well for what it's worth, when I rode local buses on Staten Island, the school kids would trash those new buses. Ridiculous... They should put solely old buses on those trippers. Those kids already get free passes for which taxpayers pay for. Let the taxpayers enjoy the new buses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16270 Posted October 19, 2015 Yeah well for what it's worth, when I rode local buses on Staten Island, the school kids would trash those new buses. Ridiculous... They should put solely old buses on those trippers. Those kids already get free passes for which taxpayers pay for. Let the taxpayers enjoy the new buses. Not so fast. Those trippers eventually do other regular trips after the school run. So you will have a plethora of old buses running around just because one part of the run consists of a school tripper. There's a significant portion of runs which have a school tripper on the "open" schedule. This would be worse in SI, since those buses usually just DH to Manhattan after their school trip (in most cases), and then riders get stuck taking those same Orion V's that were used on the school trippers. That would not be a good sight. Furthermore, you increase the chances of them breaking down, and more lost trips, when you have other newer buses there to be used. Depots will give drivers what's available, not what they prefer to give, so that service runs as efficient as possible. That's how logistics works. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16271 Posted October 19, 2015 Not so fast. Those trippers eventually do other regular trips after the school run. So you will have a plethora of old buses running around just because one part of the run consists of a school tripper. There's a significant portion of runs which have a school tripper on the "open" schedule. This would be worse in SI, since those buses usually just DH to Manhattan after their school trip (in most cases), and then riders get stuck taking those same Orion V's that were used on the school trippers. That would not be a good sight. Furthermore, you increase the chances of them breaking down, and more lost trips, when you have other newer buses there to be used. Depots will give drivers what's available, not what they prefer to give, so that service runs as efficient as possible. That's how logistics works. I don't need a whole story about "logistics". I'm well aware of how things work. Quite frankly the shouldn't even be doing trippers. I would have it set up where each school deals with their school buses. Give them old Orions or what have you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16272 Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Yeah well for what it's worth, when I rode local buses on Staten Island, the school kids would trash those new buses. Ridiculous... They should put solely old buses on those trippers. Those kids already get free passes for which taxpayers pay for. Let the taxpayers enjoy the new buses.Middle schools kids are the worst in my opinion. Many of them are disrespectful and loud and they throw stuff on buses. It is also the parents responsibility to raise their child and teach their kid how to act in public and around authority figures. I never throw trash on buses. I appreciate buses and I literally can be on a train or bus for a half an hour and still hold my garbage until I find a garbage can. It is pathetic how you have people throwing cans on the back of buses. The other day I took the M34SBS and there was this beer can in the back part where the little window is and every time we stopped we would hear the beer can hit the window. It startled us the first few times it happened. Edited October 19, 2015 by NewFlyer 230 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16273 Posted October 19, 2015 Yeah well for what it's worth, when I rode local buses on Staten Island, the school kids would trash those new buses. Ridiculous... They should put solely old buses on those trippers. Those kids already get free passes for which taxpayers pay for. Let the taxpayers enjoy the new buses. I agree with this, to a degree. There's no reason to put new equipment on tripper routes, and historically the TA did try to keep the old buses on those lines, knowing they would be trashed by the kids. It's not just an SI thing--this has been a major issue for of a lot depots. Ulmer Park has had it particularly bad, I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetSMART45 Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16274 Posted October 19, 2015 MTA should be about city transit, not shuttling schoolkids a little ways down the road. NYC Schools should be providing their own transit for kids coming from outside of a certain radius of the school. If a kid wants to do the "school of choice" and go outside their own neighborhood/local school, then if part of that choice means taking regular public transit, they should pay fare, not get a free ride. Kids should either walk or take the school bus, and if they opt to take MTA instead, then they should have to pay just like everyone else. Lots of kids nowadays -- even in urban cities -- are being driven by parents to/from school, too, over safety concerns. It's worked for decades in suburban areas where school districts provide bus transportation for all K-12, but cities try to "save money" by having the older kids use public transit and send all of the school buses for the younger ones. It doesn't save anything though. Instill some responsibility and respect for other peoples' things by charging for use. That would put a major dent in the problems. (P.S. If you want to downvote me for expressing my opinion, come up with something better or look a fool. Just because you disagree with what I say doesn't mean you need to be petulant. Be an adult and opine.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16275 Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Instill some responsibility and respect for other peoples' things by charging for use. That would put a major dent in the problems.That wouldn't help at all. If it did, vehicles on paid fare routes would be in pristine shape and wouldn't be vandalized and ruined, which is just not true. To clarify - I am not against the idea of making school trips paid for, the fact that they are free currently is a load of nonsense, but you won't see any benefits to doing so besides putting more big ones in the MTA'S pockets. Vandals will not be deterred by having a cash fare. If they were, the subway wouldn't be vandalized. Edited October 19, 2015 by ttcsubwayfan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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