SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

[Kamen Rider]

Looks like more than half the L platforms have been marked up for the new barriers to be put in. Currently Morgan and 1st have them and it looks like they will be added quickly.

[Jemorie]

Glad the extended summer weekend  is back until Labor Day, although I wonder what work they did at the Euclid Avenue relay that made them delayed the summer weekend  for a month while forcing  trains to relay on the middle track on Liberty El east of 80 St-Hudson St.

[NBTA]

The  is heading to Bedford Park during middays. Every other train will be extended during the 9AM-3PM hours. Trains will run every 16 minutes to accommodate helping the  line during those hours (especially during the games in YS).

Edited Friday at 08:47 PM by NBTA

[Lawrence St]

On 6/24/2024 at 12:58 AM, Kamen Rider said:

The so far this summer, no. C trains were long relaying via 80th street because we were replacing the switches on the yard lead. So the shuttle, even though full length, only went to broad channel.

It just so happened it coincided with a heat wave. It’s no so much “is it a holiday”, so much as “what is everyone else doing.” If most businesses are open, we have to operate at weekday levels and sometimes can’t devote the resources necessary. All those people could have just as much stayed on the A to get to the peninsula.

 

that being said, under normal circumstances, running the extended shuttle requires a lot of extra people. Switch train operators. Platform personnel. 
 

then there’s having the shuttle discharging at Rockaway Blvd, possibly holding up A service. 

At that point why not just run the  to Euclid? Makes it easier for everyone involved.

[Lawrence St]

On 6/24/2024 at 11:09 PM, Kamen Rider said:

Dude… seriously… you make that sound so simple on paper… but real life does not work that way.

 

service patters are the way they are for a reason. You just need to learn to accept we don’t do things because we feel like it.

”well, you did (thing) in the past…”

We did… and it probably wasn’t a good idea or a good use of resources. 

I just saw this, disregard my previous message lmao.

However, how much more crews would be needed to run the  to Rock Park on weekends?

[Lawrence St]

18 minutes ago, NBTA said:

The  is heading to Bedford Park during middays. Every other train will be extended during the 9AM-3PM hours. Trains will run every 16 minutes to accommodate helping the  line during those hours (especially during the games in YS).

Where's the proof for this?

 

[GreatOne2k]

6 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Where's the proof for this?

 

https://new.mta.info/document/9481

[Calvin]

1 hour ago, NBTA said:

The  is heading to Bedford Park during middays. Every other train will be extended during the 9AM-3PM hours. Trains will run every 16 minutes to accommodate helping the  line during those hours (especially during the games in YS).

Also, not much of a change but the  from Brighton Beach now leaves at 9:13 PM. Two extra trains for the night, used to be at 8:53 PM

 

The  now has 8-10 minute headways during weekends. Question is will it be on the schedule due to G/Os from other subway lines. 

Edited Friday at 10:02 PM by Calvin

[Calvin]

That's it for the R68/A for the  train. After today, the  to 207 St Yard trip has been removed. 

[Ex696]

There are still a couple of times during the weekend with 12 minute gaps for the 5. The B, D, J and M trains are getting 8 minute headways during middays now, so the M, like the C, will have better service during midday than during rush hour.

[jon2305]

5 hours ago, Calvin said:

That's it for the R68/A for the  train. After today, the  to 207 St Yard trip has been removed. 

When did the R68/A "Unicorn Trip" originally start?

I wanna say summer of 2015 but maybe somebody else knows when.

[Kamen Rider]

The name change at Christopher Street has officially gone into effect, the station is now listed on maps as “Christopher Street-Stonewall”… which, again, as a Queer person, I appreciate… but I would much rather the state had found a way to give us the billion dollars they owe us…

[Jemorie]

13 hours ago, Ex696 said:

There are still a couple of times during the weekend with 12 minute gaps for the 5. The B, D, J and M trains are getting 8 minute headways during middays now, so the M, like the C, will have better service during midday than during rush hour.

Well actually, the  was always every 8 minutes at rush hour. It’s just that during the previous 63rd Street Renovation Work, they reduced the  by two trains to make it a full 10 (sometimes 12) minute headway train, given that all trains were single tracking at 57th Street-6th Avenue at the time. But yes, so far, most, if not, everything is surprisingly going from 10 minutes to 8 minutes to evenly match with those that are already 8 minutes just months to a year prior.

I think the  out of Met in the AM and back into Met in the PM should be 5 minutes to match the , which is of course only will last for an hour, but folks were saying otherwise when I suggested that….I forgot which page. I’ll re-check later on or so.

[DaPr03]

15 hours ago, jon2305 said:

When did the R68/A "Unicorn Trip" originally start?

I wanna say summer of 2015 but maybe somebody else knows when.

IIRC It started on June 9th, 2014, just seen it from a forum post here.

[TrainGamingKing9928]

This just came into my head. With the  train shutdown happening this summer, there will be no  trains between Court Sq and Bedford-Nostrand Avs between July 5th and August 12th (as stated on the MTA website). Given the fact that the  may not need as many trains as it usually does during this time period (as a result of its shorter route length), is it possible that the  would end up using some R160’s that might be freed up by this part of the shutdown (similar to how the  borrowed R160’s from the  in 2023)?

[LGA Link N Train]

On 6/28/2024 at 10:50 PM, Jemorie said:

Glad the extended summer weekend  is back until Labor Day, although I wonder what work they did at the Euclid Avenue relay that made them delayed the summer weekend  for a month while forcing  trains to relay on the middle track on Liberty El east of 80 St-Hudson St.

IIRC, Switch replacement on the Yard Leads headed to Pitkin

[Jemorie]

2 hours ago, LGA Link N Train said:

IIRC, Switch replacement on the Yard Leads headed to Pitkin

IMO, the NYCTA needs to do better in terms of planning/scheduling General Orders in general. But I know they never will anyways so.

Edited 22 hours ago by Jemorie

[Lawrence St]

So the  will not run to Bedford Park during the midday all the time, it will alternate between Bedford Park and 145th St during the midday.

Not sure how car equipment will manage this especially with the rollsigns, unless they will keep the same sets on the 145th portion and the same sets on the BPB portion.

[Kamen Rider]

1 hour ago, Jemorie said:

IMO, the NYCTA needs to do better in terms of planning/scheduling General Orders in general. But I know they never will anyways so.

You try to keep a 120 year old system running and then you get to complain. 

[Jemorie]

2 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

You try to keep a 120 year old system running and then you get to complain. 

🙄

[Calvin]

I wonder if the  train will consider having platform conductors at Brighton Beach like the for now like Astoria-Ditmars Blvd in-case to double check which of their trains will go to Bedford Park Blvd during the midday hours. * Some trains may get scrolled to Harlem-145 St at that time. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Calvin

[LGA Link N Train]

13 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

You try to keep a 120 year old system running and then you get to complain. 

I kind of get where Jemorie is coming from. Multiple (much needed) G.O.’s happen per Weekend and Overnight. And while you can’t exactly shut down multiple portions of the System for longer than a Weekend at a Time, it does raise a few eyebrows when you have multiple upgrades or improvements happening along the same Corridor’s and not taking full advantage of piggybacking G.O.’s to try and crank out as much work as possible, or spreading that work out throughout multiple weekends. Having to set up and take down the work zone each time for multiple weekends in a row. Surely a Cost Saving measure can be taken advantage of here.

[CenSin]

18 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

20 hours ago, Jemorie said:

IMO, the NYCTA needs to do better in terms of planning/scheduling General Orders in general. But I know they never will anyways so.

You try to keep a 120 year old system running and then you get to complain.

I’m on the fence regarding which side to agree with.

On one hand, I work with people on all levels of highly technical projects who ask for things which would result in technically convoluted solutions and/or sacrificing expediency of completion.

On the other hand, you don’t have to be able to sing yourself to tell that someone else also sucks. Nor do you have to be able to cook your own meals to complain about the school food.

In my line of work, I like to explain limitations and seemingly “” design choices for projects I work on, but my patience stretches only so far before I stop fielding stupid questions for the day. I’m not sure anyone is able to explain these convoluted MTA plans or would even volunteer to dig into it, but it’s not a concern to dismiss as “you try doing that job.”

[Calvin]

Sunday, June 30th and July 1st, first weekday for the new pick for the  New York City Subway: 

Changes that followed compared to last pick 

-  service during weekends middays and afternoons now falls at 10 minute headways instead of 12. 

- The  during weekends will be balanced to at least 8-10 minutes during the midday and afternoon hours. Some trains may be at the 12 minute mark depending on what time it arrives at Bowling Green going through the South Ferry loop. (Headway notice: 8-12 minutes)

- The  service during weekdays is the same. Nothing big but, the 6:47 PM trip from Inwood-207 St and 8:41 trip to 207 St out of Far Rockaway is the standard R46/R179/R211 fleet. 

- The  train now has 8 minute headways during middays compared to before that has 10 minutes. 

- Every 8 minutes per train, every day except Sunday, 10 minutes:  train service. 

 

* The  train now has 8 minute headways but during the evening and rush hour, more trips are added. 

The 5:35 AM trip from Bedford Park Blvd is now inserted between 5:25 AM and 5:45 AM. 

Selected drop-offs take place for this line, and 1-trippers for this line: 7:52 AM, 7:58 AM and 8:10 AM to Kingsbridge RD, Drop off trip: 7:39 AM from Brighton Beach to Bedford Park Blvd, 1-drop off from Stillwell Av Yard put-in: 7:07 AM from Brighton Beach. Put-ins for the PM rush: 4:05 PM, 4:23 PM, 4:47 PM, 5:33 PM from Bedford Pk Blvd. 

8 minute headways between Harlem-145 St and Brighton Beach middays. Between Harlem-145 St and Bronx, Bedford Park Blvd: 16 minute headways, 

Two extra express trains during the night hours from Brighton Beach to Harlem-145 St: 9:03 and 9:13 PM. 

Weekday only route, timetable made an error stating all times. Weekends, other option routes:  

 

- No changes made to the  : trains leave a bit early or later to accomindate 96 St and Coney Island train arrivals. The R160 from the  tripper remains to accomindate extra passengers on the Second Av line during the AM rush. 

 

Routes that still have 12 minute headways during weekends, no change to weekend service:  

No changes made or that it was done last year: , 42 St  ,  ,     

** Up to September 2024,  train shutdown due to CBTC modernization on its entire Crosstown line. 

***  train station work up to first quarter of 2025: Skips 111 St and 82 St, Main St bound, trains are local between 74 St-Broadway and Queensboro Plaza

 

Edited 9 minutes ago by Calvin