darkstar8983 Posted October 15, 2017 Share #16801 Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Union Tpke said: I understand, but what are they going to do with the CBTC-ready R160s. What I could see happening is having some R211s replace some of the R160s if the timing is right, but only a few, which would go to the E and F. That would make the most sense. The R211s would have more capacity (desperately needed on the ) and displace any of the R160s to the . So the R211s would fill up the express trains and The CBTC ready R160s can be used for when the Broadway Line goes online for CBTC if it happens sometime before 2300 Edited October 15, 2017 by darkstar8983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted October 15, 2017 Share #16802 Posted October 15, 2017 On 10/13/2017 at 4:50 PM, R32 3838 said: Starting to see numerous jamaica R46's in numeral order, i wonder why? Swap perhaps? I have noticed that there are R46s in numerical order (the 5800s that have a blue diamond). These are probably the R46s that are likely replacing some of the R160s from Jamaica that have been sent to Coney Island during the “cuomo wrapping” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16803 Posted October 16, 2017 Those been at jamaica for awhile. 5798-5821 were sent back to jamaica in may of 2010 to replace the last remaining R32's. January of this year jamaica lost 9193-9222 to CI and got 5822-5838 from pitkin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16804 Posted October 16, 2017 Oh btw this swap isn't really because of just cbtc. Its politics, take this with a grain of salt but im hearing that people are complaining about the R46's on mainly the R line. I have no idea how true this is so again take it with a grain of salt. Btw cbtc isn't gonna be active until the 2020's. Also they want R46's on the due to mileage. Its not just because of cbtc, imo the real reason why they want to do this is dwell times and the fact they want the R46's on a part time line ( I wish they can take half of them off the ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16805 Posted October 16, 2017 7 hours ago, Union Tpke said: I have heard multiple transit employees confirm this. Jamaica will be 100% R160s. By when? Any sort of estimate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj Hammers Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16806 Posted October 16, 2017 Union Tpke is on to something, and I think he is aware of the same exact plans that I am aware of as well. Once the R179s start arriving en-masse, expect to see some changes in car assignments. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16807 Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) Overnight train bunching, also provides a rare transfer from shuttle to another at E 180 St https://screenshots.firefox.com/nqH1DCqMeTFFe5sI/subwaytime.mta.info Edited October 16, 2017 by GreatOne2k 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16808 Posted October 16, 2017 RIP 6th Avenue. Delays are extensive this morning because of two signal malfunctions and a train with mechanical problems. Every line that has a 6th Avenue service will experience delays as well sooner or later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16809 Posted October 16, 2017 It was a domino effect, with 6th AV being out and the and being rerouted all over the place, the issue spread to Broadway, 8th Avenue, 4th Avenue, West End, Culver, Sea Beach and Brighton. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16810 Posted October 16, 2017 14 hours ago, R32 3838 said: Oh btw this swap isn't really because of just cbtc. Its politics, take this with a grain of salt but im hearing that people are complaining about the R46's on mainly the R line. I have no idea how true this is so again take it with a grain of salt. Btw cbtc isn't gonna be active until the 2020's. Also they want R46's on the due to mileage. Its not just because of cbtc, imo the real reason why they want to do this is dwell times and the fact they want the R46's on a part time line ( I wish they can take half of them off the ) Yeah Gentile's been going on and on about the train's R46s for years... At this rate, I'd just take R68As over R46s... Of course when its about the train and not express buses, Golden is nowhere to be found... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16811 Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, R32 3838 said: Oh btw this swap isn't really because of just cbtc. Its politics, take this with a grain of salt but im hearing that people are complaining about the R46's on mainly the line. I have no idea how true this is so again take it with a grain of salt. Btw cbtc isn't gonna be active until the 2020's. Also they want R46's on the due to mileage. Its not just because of cbtc, imo the real reason why they want to do this is dwell times and the fact they want the R46's on a part time line ( I wish they can take half of them off the ) 75ft cars should not be on the , there are too many sharp curves which makes the route a drag. Edited October 16, 2017 by N6 Limited Updated train bullet 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16812 Posted October 16, 2017 I'd pretty much do the following if the swap needed to be done now: CI: R46 R68 R160 Jamaica: R68A R160 I think too many people would complain if CI lost all of their R160's... I would imagine they'd have to keep enough for the at least... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16813 Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, N6 Limited said: 75ft cars should not be on the , there are too many sharp curves which makes the route a drag. But at the same time, R160’s are more efficient with busier routes such as the and as they have more doors and cars that passengers can go into. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassTransitHonchkrow Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16814 Posted October 16, 2017 20 hours ago, darkstar8983 said: and the has yet to go online even though it was expected to go up in 2015. I was told by a platform controller last June [2017] that CBTC is already on halfway between Hudson Yards and Woodside. I asked as a way to pass the time while the FDNY used jaws of life to remove a family trapped in an elevator and to avoid laughing with a constructive conversation. Is there a way to reverse-engineer the beacon system for countdown clocks as bat-like sonar so trains can talk to each other, as well as platforms? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16815 Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, paulrivera said: I'd pretty much do the following if the swap needed to be done now: CI: R46 R68 R160 Jamaica: R68A R160 I think too many people would complain if CI lost all of their R160's... I would imagine they'd have to keep enough for the at least... Nope Jamaica is becoming all R160's, CI will have 100+ R160's left. Heres what the assignments would look like after the swaps. R160's R32,R68 (full length) R46 maybe a few R32's R68/68A R46/R160 I This might be the case once everything is done. The is rumored to get the R32's for the shutdown plus no need to change rollsigns unlike the But this based on my opinion, and based on what i heard so take this with a grain of salt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16816 Posted October 16, 2017 I thought 32's were not allowed on the G because of their tunnel clearance 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16817 Posted October 16, 2017 There’s no way R46’s are getting assigned to the and the riders will really throw tantrums. This isn’t like the R142A for R62A swap. The R46’s need to be at 207st and all of 207 Street/East New York’s R32’s can be sent back to CI in exchange for some R160’s. Why would MTA down grade the back to R68’s? Especially via the Second Avenue Line... -R46 - R68/A -R32 R68/A - R160 - R32 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16818 Posted October 16, 2017 @VIP the doesn't have any other northern terminal, the is gonna get the R68's back anyway since the rollsigns have been updated. The swap trains from time to time and if CI has the R46's it would be wise to put most of them on the and the remaining on the alongside the remaining R160's. Plus the can't use the R32's because of the Montague Street tube Plus an R32 can run on the (G), the garbage trains through the line daily When it comes to operations its smart for the majority of the R46's to be on the lines since they have digital signs and have all the remaining R160's on the as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16819 Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, R32 3838 said: @VIP the doesn't have any other northern terminal, the is gonna get the R68's back anyway since the rollsigns have been updated. The swap trains from time to time and if CI has the R46's it would be wise to put most of them on the and the remaining on the alongside the remaining R160's. Plus the can't use the R32's because of the Montague Street tube Plus an R32 can run on the (G), the garbage trains through the line daily When it comes to operations its smart for the majority of the R46's to be on the lines since they have digital signs and have all the remaining R160's on the as well. How can we be so sure that Cuomo won't intervene and force them to keep running new trains on his 2nd Avenue line? He's intervened on a couple of bus orders (diesel bus orders changed to CNG and electric) and the countdown clock rollout recently, so I wouldn't put it past him to make the MTA change planned assignments last minute... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted October 16, 2017 Share #16820 Posted October 16, 2017 2 hours ago, VIP said: There’s no way R46’s are getting assigned to the and the riders will really throw tantrums. This isn’t like the R142A for R62A swap. The R46’s need to be at 207st and all of 207 Street/East New York’s R32’s can be sent back to CI in exchange for some R160’s. Why would MTA down grade the back to R68’s? Especially via the Second Avenue Line... -R46 - R68/A -R32 R68/A - R160 - R32 R32's are banned from Broadway. It has to be R46s or R68's in this scenario. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted October 17, 2017 Share #16821 Posted October 17, 2017 At least now we can speculate that the R211s will be assigned to the and lines (along with the and Rockaway Park . ever since the R46s and not including the R143s the line has always had the chance to get factory fresh cars and it seems like it will continue. Maybe they’ll wait for the R211s to start arriving to start displacing the R160s to Jamaica so that they don’t have to waste effort transferring the R46s to Coney Island, having the repairmen learn to maintain a car class that has never been repaired in that yard all for nothing. And the Jamaica R46s can retire on the and 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68OnBroadway Posted October 17, 2017 Share #16822 Posted October 17, 2017 4 hours ago, Around the Horn said: R32's are banned from Broadway. It has to be R46s or R68's in this scenario. Do you mean mechanically or as in the riders will go crazy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted October 17, 2017 Share #16823 Posted October 17, 2017 There's a swap between Jamaica Yard and C.I Yard b/c of the Cuomo scheme. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted October 17, 2017 Share #16824 Posted October 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, R68OnBroadway said: Do you mean mechanically or as in the riders will go crazy? They are banned because the rebuilt Montague tunnel doesn't have clearances for straight sided cars... 1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said: At least now we can speculate that the R211s will be assigned to the and lines (along with the and Rockaway Park . ever since the R46s and not including the R143s the line has always had the chance to get factory fresh cars and it seems like it will continue. Maybe they’ll wait for the R211s to start arriving to start displacing the R160s to Jamaica so that they don’t have to waste effort transferring the R46s to Coney Island, having the repairmen learn to maintain a car class that has never been repaired in that yard all for nothing. And the Jamaica R46s can retire on the and As far as I'm aware, Jamaica is still getting the majority of the R211s, but that doesn't mean the aren't getting any at all (I could see the R68 sets getting pushed out by R211s, plus whatever extra sets are needed for additional frequency to Astoria) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDNQ2345 Posted October 17, 2017 Share #16825 Posted October 17, 2017 So unchange r179? r46 unchange r179? unchange r160 r160 100% r32? unchanged r179? r160 r46/r160 r68/a/r160? r160 100% r46/160 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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