SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

[Jemorie]

Why is the so slow? It's like it crawls for it's entire route.

 

how is the train so slow exactly (in terms of speed between stations on a daily basis)?

Edited May 25, 2017 by Jemorie

[N6 Limited]

If your talking about a specific car i would say its probably because the R46 it runs on are not in the very best condition. Work isn't going to be done on them, they would be fully replaced by R211s i guess. If not probably R160s.

Ah ok that would explain some of it.

 

how is the train so slow exactly (in terms of speed between stations on a daily basis)?

Yes

[Jemorie]

Ah ok that would explain some of it.

 

 

Yes

That's not really answering my question and there aren't any timers on the Queens Blvd Local and most of the 4th Ave Local (south of Atlantic).

[P3F]

The Rockaway Park Shuttle, Q35, and Bx12 local are going to see some improvements this summer.

 

 

Rockaway Park shuttle trains will be extended north to the Rockaway Blvd. station on the A line on weekends from June 12 through at least Labor Day. The extra service will run from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m.

That means all A riders — not just those on a Far Rockaway-bound train — will be able to transfer to the shuttle, cutting down on travel times.

Meanwhile, beachgoers who take the Q35 bus from Flatbush will also see extra service starting July 3. The MTA will add 35 trips to the route’s Saturday and Sunday schedule, with buses running every seven and a half minutes instead of every 10 minutes. In the Bronx, the Bx12 local route will run to Orchard Beach from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. beginning Saturday.

 

Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/mta-give-beachgoers-better-shuttle-service-buses-article-1.2652420

[Far Rock Depot]

They do that every summer.

 

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[MysteriousBtrain]

Unless they run more Bx12 shuttles and run artics on the Q35, it's just another summer day.

 

But I am glad the is still heading to Rockaway Avenue. That is definitely needed.

Edited May 27, 2017 by ShadeJay

[paulrivera]

Of course the is having problems right when the Yankee game lets out.

[Lawrence St]

The Rockaway Park Shuttle, Q35, and Bx12 local are going to see some improvements this summer.

 

 

 

Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/mta-give-beachgoers-better-shuttle-service-buses-article-1.2652420

Isn't the Bx12 SBS though? (I'm sorry i don't know buses that well mate.)

[Around the Horn]

Isn't the Bx12 SBS though? (I'm sorry i don't know buses that well mate.)

The Bx12 is one of the routes with both a local and SBS variant.

[Calvin]

Did Westchester removed the train announcement at Brooklyn Bridge? It used to say the next stop is the uptown platform. 

[CTK246]

Did Westchester removed the train announcement at Brooklyn Bridge? It used to say the next stop is the uptown platform.

This happened quite some time ago.

[BreeddekalbL]

This happened quite some time ago.

 

can people still ride around the loop or no?

[AdonisDimaggio]

can people still ride around the loop or no?

Not really. the tracks are abandoned because City Hall station was part of that loop. 6 Trains might use it to change to northbound or vice versa but im not sure on that.

[danielhg121]

Not really. the tracks are abandoned because City Hall station was part of that loop. 6 Trains might use it to change to northbound or vice versa but im not sure on that.

Bruh. Trains still go around the loop to get to the other side. I think you still can ride the loop as well. Just because City Hall is abandoned doesn't mean they can't use it.

 

 

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[Fresh Pond]

Not really. the tracks are abandoned because City Hall station was part of that loop. 6 Trains might use it to change to northbound or vice versa but im not sure on that.

You can legally still ride through City Hall loop. Bowling Green loop on the other hand, is illegal

[LongLiveRock]

can people still ride around the loop or no?

 

 

Sometimes the conductor will tell you to get out, especially if you're in a car adjacent to them. But it is technically legal, and I've done it many times since they took away the announcement. Just sometimes it takes a little perseverance.

[46Dover]

Did the had any Redbirds in service before it was all R62 from Kawasaki?

They actually had R62A (Bombardier) cars after the Redbirds. The reason the went to R62 is I think their 62As went to the when they finally retired their Worlds Fair Redbirds. When the R142s came on line, they went to the (for some strange reason), displacing the R62s they were previously assigned to to the

[Mysterious2train]

Since the Sandy work on the line includes a new Avenue A entrance to First Avenue station, and the Second Avenue Subway will include a new entrance to Third Avenue station at Second Avenue, at some point in the future, there'll be an entrance to an station at almost every single block along 14th Street from Broadway to Avenue A, except for Irving Place. That's six blocks all together (Broadway, Fourth Avenue, Third Avenue, Second Avenue, First Avenue and Avenue A). Crazy stuff. 

 

 

Why is the so slow? It's like it crawls for it's entire route.

 

- Makes a lot of stops, some of which are spaced fairly close together (e.g. DeKalb Av and Jay St, Rector St and Cortlandt St, 23 St, 28 St and 42 St)

 

- Merges with multiple other lines (the , , and at night) so big potential for merging delays (the latter two also merge with the , and the former with the , which can mean cascading delays potentially)

 

- Multiple areas where the route makes several turns, and some of those turns are sharp and slow, for example:

 

Downtown Brooklyn: After leaving Atlantic Av station the line turns from 4 Av onto Ashland Place, then Fulton St then Flatbush Av then Willoughby St, then it turns twice under Columbus Park to end up at Court Street. 

 

Lower Manhattan: Curves onto Whitehall Street, then the line curves twice to end up under Trinity Place/Church Street. Rector Street station itself is built on a curve. Then comes the ultimate slow, sharp turn onto Vesey Street, before finally turning again onto Broadway

 

Midtown: Turns from Seventh Avenue under Central Park South/59th St and again coming into Fifth Avenue station (which is actually located at a 45° angle to the streets and then turns again onto 60th St.

 

Long Island City: Lots of junctions and connections. Turns four times through the connection from the 60th St Tunnel coming into Queens Plaza, which is curved itself. Curves a few more times, from Northern Blvd onto Steinway St and then onto Broadway, and I recall that turn being fairly tight.

 

Also, the R46s and the other 75-foot cars accelerate more slowly than the 60-foot cars, don't they? 

 

Add all this up plus the psychological effect of riding a fully local line and it must feel pretty painful sometimes.

Edited May 27, 2017 by Mysterious2train

[46Dover]

Since the Sandy work on the line includes a new Avenue A entrance to First Avenue station, and the Second Avenue Subway will include a new entrance to Third Avenue station at Second Avenue, at some point in the future, there'll be an entrance to an station at almost every single block along 14th Street from Broadway to Avenue A, except for Irving Place. That's six blocks all together (Broadway, Fourth Avenue, Third Avenue, Second Avenue, First Avenue and Avenue A). Crazy stuff.

 

 

 

- Makes a lot of stops, some of which are spaced fairly close together (e.g. DeKalb Av and Jay St, Rector St and Cortlandt St, 23 St, 28 St and 42 St)

 

- Merges with multiple other lines (the , , and at night) so big potential for merging delays (the latter two also merge with the , and the former with the , which can mean cascading delays potentially)

 

- Multiple areas where the route makes several turns, and some of those turns are sharp and slow, for example:

 

Downtown Brooklyn: After leaving Atlantic Av station the line turns from 4 Av onto Ashland Place, then Fulton St then Flatbush Av then Willoughby St, then it turns twice under Columbus Park to end up at Court Street.

 

Lower Manhattan: Curves onto Whitehall Street, then the line curves twice to end up under Trinity Place/Church Street. Rector Street station itself is built on a curve. Then comes the ultimate slow, sharp turn onto Vesey Street, before finally turning again onto Broadway

 

Midtown: Turns from Seventh Avenue under Central Park South/59th St and again coming into Fifth Avenue station (which is actually located at a 45° angle to the streets and then turns again onto 60th St.

 

Long Island City: Lots of junctions and connections. Turns four times through the connection from the 60th St Tunnel coming into Queens Plaza, which is curved itself. Curves a few more times, from Northern Blvd onto Steinway St and then onto Broadway, and I recall that turn being fairly tight.

 

Also, the R46s and the other 75-foot cars accelerate more slowly than the 60-foot cars, don't they?

 

Add all this up plus the psychological effect of riding a fully local line and it must feel pretty painful sometimes.

The R46s look so ugly going through those reverse turns in Lower Manhattan. It's why I'd prefer the 160s on that line

[VIP]

I really want to know why Jamaica doesn't clean their cars regularly. R160 9663-9667 STILL has heavy water stains (right side of the car including the windows) since 2013!!

[CTK246]

I really want to know why Jamaica doesn't clean their cars regularly. R160 9663-9667 STILL has heavy water stains (right side of the car including the windows) since 2013!!

If you haven't experienced Westchester, then you ain't seen nothin' yet.

[Calvin]

The R142s are updated on the . Arriving at each stop till the stop before the last stop, it'll announce The Next Stop Is instead of This is a train. 

Edited May 28, 2017 by CH3348

[Daniel The Cool]

Did Westchester removed the train announcement at Brooklyn Bridge? It used to say the next stop is the uptown platform. 

No. They sometimes cut off that announcement.

[CTK246]

The R142s are updated on the . Arriving at each stop till the stop before the last stop, it'll announce The Next Stop Is instead of This is a train. 

No? I was on a couple the other day and they were the same old announcements.

[Calvin]

No? I was on a couple the other day and they were the same old announcements.

Well, that was just one train then just for this weekend