RollOver Posted February 1, 2014 Share #5426 Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) There are some R143s which still have the V, W and the brown M. And also some R142s have the , Brown , and . Seen it this morning on the last car of a You both are right. Fewer of the strip maps on the NTTs haven't got updated yet. (Or should I say replaced?) I can also remember a few months back when I saw some R142As with the eliminated routes too. Edited February 1, 2014 by RollOverMyHead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E For Erica Posted February 1, 2014 Share #5427 Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) I hate the which is why I now take the . Much more reliable. Basically! I mean I feel a way the most because I feel like I'm the only one in this community that knows the the most. I just hate how one of my home lines suck so much ass! The will always be my orginal home line tho. And the isn't perfect but it's still a wavey line lml Edited February 1, 2014 by E For Erica 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted February 1, 2014 Share #5428 Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) Basically! I mean I feel a way the most because I feel like I'm the only one in this community that knows the the most. I just hate how one of my home lines suck so much ass! The will always be my orginal home line tho. And the isn't perfect but it's still a wavey line lml Lets hope then CBTC on the IND Queens Blvd Line will finally nail the problem on the in the long run. I dont see any other solution, infrastructure-wise. Come to think about it the ultimate reason why there may be delays on the either way is the QBL in itself, it should have been built six tracks. Also the Bergen St interlocking it should be rebuilt. If you look at the current track configuration the has to switch tracks if upper level to get to Jay Street while the lower level has direct access. It should be redone but it will be expensive to do. Dont know how the IND could have screwed that up, but QBL CBTC should be the answer to make up for the oversight as did the 63rd Street Line in part historically under the MTA, post plan for action. Edited February 1, 2014 by realizm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted February 1, 2014 Share #5429 Posted February 1, 2014 Forgot to post this... Yesterday I went RFWing on the northbound from its southern end to its northern end (and then back). There was an that came into the junction as we pulled out and it left us at Utica. Another passes after Lafayette but both that train and my got held near the Hoyt interlocking due to a sick passenger at Hoyt-Schermerhorn (on the first that I saw). After the issue was cleared, the second across proceeded into the station before my local train did. We went at 30 miles per hour midway through the Cranberry Street tube. As we then got held at Canal to let the proceed. Then at 59th Street, we made a connection with a Bronx-bound . But my local train was sent express (via the local track) due to lateness from the earlier two issues mention. Many passengers got off to wait for the next or for local service via CPW. The operator went very slow from 103rd through 110th and finally came to a complete stop outside of 116th (due to a infront). IMO, it didn't made any difference since the signals were clear for the train to come into the station. We could have just came into and pick up the passengers from the station, instead of sitting outside of it while waiting for the red signal at the end of said station to clear. My local train got held for like about 6 minutes. I think it was better for us to just came into the station and wait for the signals north of said station to clear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted February 1, 2014 Share #5430 Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) Forgot to post this... Yesterday I went RFWing on the northbound from its southern end to its northern end (and then back). There was an that came into the junction as we pulled out and it left us at Utica. Another passes after Lafayette but both that train and my got held near the Hoyt interlocking due to a sick passenger at Hoyt-Schermerhorn (on the first that I saw). After the issue was cleared, the second across proceeded into the station before my local train did. We went at 30 miles per hour midway through the Cranberry Street tube. As we then got held at Canal to let the proceed. Then at 59th Street, we made a connection with a Bronx-bound . But my local train was sent express (via the local track) due to lateness from the earlier two issues mention. Many passengers got off to wait for the next or for local service via CPW. The operator went very slow from 103rd through 110th and finally came to a complete stop outside of 116th (due to a infront). IMO, it didn't made any difference since the signals were clear for the train to come into the station. We could have just came into and pick up the passengers from the station, instead of sitting outside of it while waiting for the red signal at the end of said station to clear. My local train got held for like about 6 minutes. I think it was better for us to just came into the station and wait for the signals north of said station to clear. I agree, I dont understand why the T/D at the towers directed the T/O to do that at all. Perhaps he or she really should have sent that through the CPW express tracks if it was that delayed, otherwise leave the local as it is, without bypassing stops. Edited February 1, 2014 by realizm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E For Erica Posted February 1, 2014 Share #5431 Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) Lets hope then CBTC on the IND Queens Blvd Line will finally nail the problem on the in the long run. I dont see any other solution, infrastructure-wise. Come to think about it the ultimate reason why there may be delays on the either way is the QBL in itself, it should have been built six tracks. Also the Bergen St interlocking it should be rebuilt. If you look at the current track configuration the has to switch tracks if upper level to get to Jay Street while the lower level has direct access. It should be redone but it will be expensive to do. Dont know how the IND could have screwed that up, but QBL CBTC should be the answer to make up for the oversight as did the 63rd Street Line in part historically under the MTA, post plan for action. You're totally right. So with the CBTC the will be ALL R160 right? Not even an occasional R46 anymore right? And Bergen Street should be an express station (4 Tracks & everything). That's been like the key thing that's been stopping the from being Culver Exp all along. And that's one of my most favorite / stops. Bewteen that stop & Smith-9th it was nothing but back to back R46's from both lines back in the day. With the exception of R32's that were on the Edited February 1, 2014 by E For Erica 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted February 1, 2014 Share #5432 Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) The would most likely get the R211s to replace the R46s running on it. I agree, I dont understand why the T/D at the towers directed the T/O to do that at all. Perhaps he or she really should have sent that through the CPW express tracks if it was that delayed, otherwise leave the local as it is, without bypassing stops. They probably didn't want to delay the that we made a connection with at 59th Street. My train was like say 25 minutes late (?) I think. This was during the morning rush hour. Edited February 1, 2014 by RollOverMyHead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted February 1, 2014 Share #5433 Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) You're totally right. So with the CBTC the will be ALL R160 right? Not even an occasional R46 anymore right? And Bergen Street should be an express station (4 Tracks & everything). That's been like the key thing that's been stopping the from being Culver Exp all along. And that's one of my most favorite / stops. Bewteen that stop & Smith-9th it was nothing but back to back R46's from both lines back in the day. With the exception of R32's that were on the Bergen Street is an express station but here's the problem: Due to a screw up in IND design (long story on IND Second System plans) the Culver local is forced to switch to lower level north of Bergen to get to the Rutgers Street Tunnel, which is a waste of time. That creates a bottlenecking point. Yup the IND QBL should have been six tracks. And what RollOverMyHead stated as well, the R211's in development to replace the R46's. The MTA needs cars that can run on both fixed signal block and CBTC environments as the scope of the QBL CBTC project only goes from the interlocking points of the 8th Avenue and 6th Avenue lines in Manhattan for the and to Union Tpke on the IND QBL. Edited February 1, 2014 by realizm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreechyFlange Posted February 1, 2014 Share #5434 Posted February 1, 2014 The really flies along the QBL, but it's not even close to touching a or along 7th avenue with all greens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted February 1, 2014 Share #5435 Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) The really flies along the QBL, but it's not even close to touching a or along 7th avenue with all greens. True, some of the fastest speed zones in the system exists along the IRT Seventh Ave Line. The or between Times Square and 72nd then 96th is a serious joyride in terms of speed. 50+ MPH easy. The R160's are beast along the and on Queens Blvd. esp Jamaica bound on all greens but it cannot compare, for now... (45+ MPH vs 50+) Now imagine how that may improve with CBTC allowing for even spacing of trains and faster speeds. Edited February 1, 2014 by realizm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted February 1, 2014 Share #5436 Posted February 1, 2014 Whom ever decided to slow my R142A ,led by 7780,should be fired.8 minutes thru Joralemon? Come on!And I boarded that train only to hear that MITRAC propulsion sing thru Joralemon! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted February 2, 2014 Share #5437 Posted February 2, 2014 Riding the train today... Funny thing, R32 cars 3444 and 3777 are still coupled together... Been that way ever since I can remember. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreechyFlange Posted February 2, 2014 Share #5438 Posted February 2, 2014 Whom ever decided to slow my R142A ,led by 7780,should be fired.8 minutes thru Joralemon? Come on!And I boarded that train only to hear that MITRAC propulsion sing thru Joralemon! LMAO! I'm sorry today was my first solo run I didn't want to get written up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreechyFlange Posted February 2, 2014 Share #5439 Posted February 2, 2014 True, some of the fastest speed zones in the system exists along the IRT Seventh Ave Line. The or between Times Square and 72nd then 96th is a serious joyride in terms of speed. 50+ MPH easy. The R160's are beast along the and on Queens Blvd. esp Jamaica bound on all greens but it cannot compare, for now... (45+ MPH vs 50+) Now imagine how that may improve with CBTC allowing for even spacing of trains and faster speeds. Cbtc will be awesome when it hits the qbl, imagine cbtc on the with those godly R211's that might be the R10 days 2.0 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl94 Posted February 2, 2014 Share #5440 Posted February 2, 2014 Cbtc will be awesome when it hits the qbl, imagine cbtc on the with those godly R211's that might be the R10 days 2.0 New cars on the ? Now you're talking crazy. The are where trains go to die. I don't know if the is getting any of the 65 R179 4-car sets, but one would think so because there are enough short sets to replace every R32 and R42 still in service. I fully expect the R211s to go to Concourse, Jamaica, and CI with the displaced R68/As going to the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E For Erica Posted February 2, 2014 Share #5441 Posted February 2, 2014 New cars on the ? Now you're talking crazy. The are where trains go to die. I don't know if the is getting any of the 65 R179 4-car sets, but one would think so because there are enough short sets to replace every R32 and R42 still in service. I fully expect the R211s to go to Concourse, Jamaica, and CI with the displaced R68/As going to the . Lmao that's messed up. riders be like "Never gonna get it (En Vouge voice)" But isn't the & suppose to get the 179's anyway? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrylbaniaga38 Posted February 2, 2014 Share #5442 Posted February 2, 2014 I heard from somewhere that the was supposed to get a set of R160's but that didn't happen due to power issues at the Rockaways. But who knows? The and may get the new cars in future. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32sdabest Posted February 2, 2014 Share #5443 Posted February 2, 2014 The R32 on the ran today 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl94 Posted February 2, 2014 Share #5444 Posted February 2, 2014 Lmao that's messed up. riders be like "Never gonna get it (En Vouge voice)" But isn't the & suppose to get the 179's anyway? I heard from somewhere that the was supposed to get a set of R160's but that didn't happen due to power issues at the Rockaways. But who knows? The and may get the new cars in future. I thought the 5-car R179s were going to Jamiaca so a few sets of R46s could go to the . The did have sets of R160s for in-service testing, and when reroutes sent the to Euclid or Lefferts, a few C/Rs changed to the program at Jay Street. The got R160s from the last summer for the air conditioning. I fully expect the majority of the incoming 4-car sets to go to the , making it entirely NTT by the middle of 2017. I know the 32s, 38s, 44s, and a good amount of 40/Ms and 42s spent their last days on the , mainly because Eighth Avenue has some of the better shop facilities (the ones not in the Eastern Division were out of CI for the same reason). The 46s are going to be there until the R211s come in. Knowing the , they might just send all the 4-cars to ENY and give the "old" R160s to the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreechyFlange Posted February 2, 2014 Share #5445 Posted February 2, 2014 New cars on the ? Now you're talking crazy. The are where trains go to die. I don't know if the is getting any of the 65 R179 4-car sets, but one would think so because there are enough short sets to replace every R32 and R42 still in service. I fully expect the R211s to go to Concourse, Jamaica, and CI with the displaced R68/As going to the . Where are you getting your info from? Outside of the BMT eastern division the is the only line that runs trains of 8 car units therefore that's where the majority of the 179's will go along with the to bump of those r42's and the 5 car sets going on the and . Why would the go through the hassle of keeping Ntt's off the to put them on the and when the isn't even a full time route and the r68's are fine? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl94 Posted February 2, 2014 Share #5446 Posted February 2, 2014 Where are you getting your info from? Outside of the BMT eastern division the is the only line that runs trains of 8 car units therefore that's where the majority of the 179's will go along with the to bump of those r42's and the 5 car sets going on the and . Why would the go through the hassle of keeping Ntt's off the to put them on the and when the isn't even a full time route and the r68's are fine? As I said in a later post, the will certainly get NTTs when the R179 order comes in. With the , I'm going with history. The R68s are fine, but the and haven't gotten new cars since the R46s, which mostly went to CI and Jamaica. Historically, the trend has been to send new cars to CI and Jamaica with the old cars being transferred to Pitkin and 207th. Did I say it was logical? No. How long did the go without getting new cars? When the R142/As came in, they displaced R62As which were sent to Corona. Instead of giving the R160s to replace its R44s, it got Jamaica's discarded R46s. In a logical world, the would have a full fleet of R211s at the end of the decade, as every car currently on that line is being retired at that point. But, the does not run logically. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted February 2, 2014 Share #5447 Posted February 2, 2014 So what type of nightmare will happen on the QBL during CBTC installation? Will it be just the express tracks? or all four tracks? Will all trains go local instead of a line shut down? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreechyFlange Posted February 2, 2014 Share #5448 Posted February 2, 2014 As I said in a later post, the will certainly get NTTs when the R179 order comes in. With the , I'm going with history. The R68s are fine, but the and haven't gotten new cars since the R46s, which mostly went to CI and Jamaica. Historically, the trend has been to send new cars to CI and Jamaica with the old cars being transferred to Pitkin and 207th. Did I say it was logical? No. How long did the go without getting new cars? When the R142/As came in, they displaced R62As which were sent to Corona. Instead of giving the R160s to replace its R44s, it got Jamaica's discarded R46s. In a logical world, the would have a full fleet of R211s at the end of the decade, as every car currently on that line is being retired at that point. But, the does not run logically. Exactamoondo, I still don't see them purposefully putting R68's on the and just to keep the using old equipment. The had clearance and power issues when the R142/a's came in. We'll most definitely the R211's spread out between Jamaica, 207, Pitkin, and CI for the and lines but as far as them going to Concourse, NO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted February 2, 2014 Share #5449 Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) Instead of giving the R160s to replace its R44s, it got Jamaica's discarded R46s. In a logical world, the would have a full fleet of R211s at the end of the decade, as every car currently on that line is being retired at that point. But, the does not run logically. The R160's cannot run on the because of the problems concerning the IND Rockaways and electrical power supplied by LIPA. Originally it was Jamaica that was to receive the dying SMEEs and the car assignments started to take effect with SMEEs being reassigned to the and . That changed because of the premature retirement of the R44s. Many of the R160's ended up in Jamaica as a change of plans. The rest is history. So what type of nightmare will happen on the QBL during CBTC installation? Will it be just the express tracks? or all four tracks? Will all trains go local instead of a line shut down? Express tracks only for the and , from Union Tpke on the QBL to the 53rd Street Corridor and the 63rd Street Line to its respective trunk lines where CBTC ends. Edited February 2, 2014 by realizm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted February 2, 2014 Share #5450 Posted February 2, 2014 We don't even know who is building the 211s, let alone how they are gonna look. It's way too early to tell where they are going... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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