Around the Horn Posted September 5, 2021 Share #26426 Posted September 5, 2021 5 hours ago, Lawrence St said: service in Manhattan is a mess today. 20 minute waits and no rerouting of the via Lex Local to cover the gaps in service. Do they not have enough cars to run the or something? But they were running trains on the local... I happened to get one at Spring, and then later got another one at 23rd! I think the issue is that crews are calling out so they don't have enough manpower to run the full schedule. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActiveCity Posted September 5, 2021 Share #26427 Posted September 5, 2021 Aye new page. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted September 5, 2021 Share #26428 Posted September 5, 2021 22 minutes ago, Around the Horn said: But they were running trains on the local... I happened to get one at Spring, and then later got another one at 23rd! I think the issue is that crews are calling out so they don't have enough manpower to run the full schedule. Even so, it’s helping that they’re running the local. They might as well; the doesn’t run to Brooklyn on weekends and will be kept out of Brooklyn until they make repairs at Newkirk Avenue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActiveCity Posted September 5, 2021 Share #26429 Posted September 5, 2021 Build the Worth St line to Union Avenue. It can restore the South 4th St shell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 via Mosholu Posted September 5, 2021 Share #26430 Posted September 5, 2021 23 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said: How are they turn the at 149th on the 4, relay? The local bypasses the Bronx Park crossover to stop at the Mott Avenue upper level before crossing over to the bidirectional Mosholu Express track to relay. If I was in charge of dispatch, the local should have just went outside outbound and turned at Burnside Avenue (New York University) while bypassing 170, Belmont - 173 Streets (present day Mount Eden Avenue), and 176 Street towards Burnside. Brooklyn Bridge intervals inbound would call at those stops. It is better for the train so that it would cut down on unnecessary delays north of Mott Avenue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted September 6, 2021 Share #26431 Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, 4 via Mosholu said: The local bypasses the Bronx Park crossover to stop at the Mott Avenue upper level before crossing over to the bidirectional Mosholu Express track to relay. If I was in charge of dispatch, the local should have just went outside outbound and turned at Burnside Avenue (New York University) while bypassing 170, Belmont - 173 Streets (present day Mount Eden Avenue), and 176 Street towards Burnside. Brooklyn Bridge intervals inbound would call at those stops. It is better for the train so that it would cut down on unnecessary delays north of Mott Avenue. 20 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: Even so, it’s helping that they’re running the local. They might as well; the doesn’t run to Brooklyn on weekends and will be kept out of Brooklyn until they make repairs at Newkirk Avenue. If the is kept out of Brooklyn, they should keep it local during weekdays, seeing as how it’s route length will only be from Eastchester-Dyre Av to Bowling Green with likely no Nereid Av trips (until the is restored, which is TBD) Edited September 6, 2021 by darkstar8983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted September 6, 2021 Share #26432 Posted September 6, 2021 The supreme R143 set has been broken up, one half of an R143 set is the supreme cars, the other half is an regular R143 set. Figured this would happen when I saw an 4 car supreme set in ENY yard couple days ago. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted September 7, 2021 Share #26433 Posted September 7, 2021 3 hours ago, trainfan22 said: The supreme R143 set has been broken up, one half of an R143 set is the supreme cars, the other half is an regular R143 set. Figured this would happen when I saw an 4 car supreme set in ENY yard couple days ago. Imagine if the Supreme R143 was an R160 and it gets mated with a 1/2 cuomoish scheme R160. It's a wrap for that line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OIG119 Posted September 7, 2021 Share #26434 Posted September 7, 2021 The announcements for the 42nd Street are unchanged. The moving platform warning at Times Square is still there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted September 7, 2021 Share #26435 Posted September 7, 2021 1 hour ago, OIG119 said: The announcements for the 42nd Street are unchanged. The moving platform warning at Times Square is still there. I wouldn't be surprised if nothing has been changed when it comes to announcements. I'm pretty sure it would take a while or never for them to get around announcements for other lines not just the 42 St . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted September 7, 2021 Share #26436 Posted September 7, 2021 Lol a couple conquester teenagers just tried to get into the rear cab of a train. One kid jumps on the back to push the door open, while another gets in via platform and waits for his friend to open the interior cab door. Little did they know there was a C/R sitting in the cab rear-facing in the tunnel, who was not too impressed by the little operation. He kicked them out promptly. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted September 7, 2021 Share #26437 Posted September 7, 2021 The 6 Av station of 42 St-Bryant Park are somewhat joined together at Times Sq-42 St with more transfers. At Times Sq-42 St, there's the , going left through the west walkway of the , you'll get the at Port Authority 8 Av. Now, going right thru the new Shuttle platform, you'll walk to the 6 Av line: Bryant Park. Times Square is now the . Also, the old track 3 platform is now closed off, with track 1 now to board on its center platform. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActiveCity Posted September 7, 2021 Share #26438 Posted September 7, 2021 The 42 St shuttle is officially 6 cars long which means that the MTA can test the new tech trains, which would be very interesting to witness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted September 7, 2021 Share #26439 Posted September 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Calvin said: The 6 Av station of 42 St-Bryant Park are somewhat joined together at Times Sq-42 St with more transfers. At Times Sq-42 St, there's the , going left through the west walkway of the , you'll get the at Port Authority 8 Av. Now, going right thru the new Shuttle platform, you'll walk to the 6 Av line: Bryant Park. Times Square is now the . Also, the old track 3 platform is now closed off, with track 1 now to board on its center platform. Finally! There aren’t enough transfers between the 6th and 7th Avenue lines. This will help. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted September 7, 2021 Share #26440 Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, MHV9218 said: Lol a couple conquester teenagers just tried to get into the rear cab of a train. One kid jumps on the back to push the door open, while another gets in via platform and waits for his friend to open the interior cab door. Little did they know there was a C/R sitting in the cab rear-facing in the tunnel, who was not too impressed by the little operation. He kicked them out promptly. Someone also changed the rollsigns on one of the TS Shuttle cars to line readings... most likely a railfan trolling. Edited September 7, 2021 by trainfan22 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted September 8, 2021 Share #26441 Posted September 8, 2021 Can anyone confirm if the old platforms at Times Sq, along with the view of the 7th line, is now closed off? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted September 8, 2021 Share #26442 Posted September 8, 2021 25 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: Can anyone confirm if the old platforms at Times Sq, along with the view of the 7th line, is now closed off? It's completely blocked off. Can't see the platforms on the passenger view (except from a zoom-in), but a small glimpse from the and of the platforms no longer in-use 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted September 8, 2021 Share #26443 Posted September 8, 2021 Quick question have they given the r68's/ 68a's their rehabs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted September 8, 2021 Share #26444 Posted September 8, 2021 15 minutes ago, BreeddekalbL said: Quick question have they given the r68's/ 68a's their rehabs? They get SMS'd every six years, same goes for the other car classes. SMS is basically a rehab. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted September 8, 2021 Share #26445 Posted September 8, 2021 16 hours ago, trainfan22 said: They get SMS'd every six years, same goes for the other car classes. SMS is basically a rehab. I was thinking why in their rehabs don't they modify the rollsigns from the traditional key rollsigns to where like in chicago before most of the new cars are led (well the 2600 series are the only ones who do this now) make it to where the operator or conductor controls the signs for the whole train 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted September 9, 2021 Share #26446 Posted September 9, 2021 5 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said: I was thinking why in their rehabs don't they modify the rollsigns from the traditional key rollsigns to where like in chicago before most of the new cars are led (well the 2600 series are the only ones who do this now) make it to where the operator or conductor controls the signs for the whole train I would imagine the 68s are on borrowed time at this point (if all options are taken, there's enough R211s to replace ALL remaining B Div SMEEs) so at this point in there service life it isn't worth the expense to upgrade the R68s to do that. Also they could just retire the R68s before the R46s, 46s have digital signs and more modern couplers. Most of the general public doesn't realize the R46 is actually older than the R68s, so if they scrap the 68s first, won't have to worry about passengers complaining, etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted September 9, 2021 Share #26447 Posted September 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, trainfan22 said: I would imagine the 68s are on borrowed time at this point (if all options are taken, there's enough R211s to replace ALL remaining B Div SMEEs) so at this point in there service life it isn't worth the expense to upgrade the R68s to do that. Also they could just retire the R68s before the R46s, 46s have digital signs and more modern couplers. Most of the general public doesn't realize the R46 is actually older than the R68s, so if they scrap the 68s first, won't have to worry about passengers complaining, etc. The whole order (base + options) is for 1,612 cars. Of those, 102 will be reserved for lower-capacity operations (eight 4-car sets plus the 75 cars for Staten Island), leaving 1,510. Ignoring Staten Island, we're looking at 748 remaining R46s + 425 R68s + 200 R68As, for a total of 1,373 cars. Even if we take out the cars used for Franklin Avenue, the absolute best-case number is 1,367 cars. Oh, and the car equivalents are five 60-footers (which the R211s are) to four 75-footers. Sure, scrap the cars that aren't on their last legs before the ones that are. That'll definitely go over well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted September 9, 2021 Share #26448 Posted September 9, 2021 Going back to the 42nd St Shuttle, I wonder if they kept the same rush hour headways like they did with the 3-3-4 structure when the Shuttle itself had 3 tracks in service? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted September 9, 2021 Share #26449 Posted September 9, 2021 38 minutes ago, Lex said: The whole order (base + options) is for 1,612 cars. Of those, 102 will be reserved for lower-capacity operations (eight 4-car sets plus the 75 cars for Staten Island), leaving 1,510. Ignoring Staten Island, we're looking at 748 remaining R46s + 425 R68s + 200 R68As, for a total of 1,373 cars. Even if we take out the cars used for Franklin Avenue, the absolute best-case number is 1,367 cars. Oh, and the car equivalents are five 60-footers (which the R211s are) to four 75-footers. Sure, scrap the cars that aren't on their last legs before the ones that are. That'll definitely go over well. The R211s are 60-foot cars, and 940 cars are required to replace 748 R46 cars. To replace 625 R68 / R68A cars, you would need (625 / 😎* 10 = 781.25 ~ 790 cars. For every 8-car R46 or R68/R68A train, a 10-car R211 is needed to replace it (with limited exceptions if we are considering expanding the train to 480 foot trains, meaning more 8-car units of R211s would have to be created (184 cars in this configuration should suffice for both the in-service fleet and spare factor). 940 + 790 = 1730 R211 cars in 5-car sets needed just to replace the R46s and R68s. The R44 replacement needs 75 additional cars, and an additional 200 or so cars would be needed to expand the systems fleet to improve spare factors, meaning you would need 2005 R211 cars. Then a separate supplemental order would likely be needed to adjust for the second phase of SAS and Broadway Line service rearrangements (if any). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted September 9, 2021 Share #26450 Posted September 9, 2021 56 minutes ago, Lex said: The whole order (base + options) is for 1,612 cars. Of those, 102 will be reserved for lower-capacity operations (eight 4-car sets plus the 75 cars for Staten Island), leaving 1,510. Ignoring Staten Island, we're looking at 748 remaining R46s + 425 R68s + 200 R68As, for a total of 1,373 cars. Even if we take out the cars used for Franklin Avenue, the absolute best-case number is 1,367 cars. Oh, and the car equivalents are five 60-footers (which the R211s are) to four 75-footers. Sure, scrap the cars that aren't on their last legs before the ones that are. That'll definitely go over well. The R46s aren't on their last legs, that's just foamer folklore. Yes, the cars are on their last legs yet are the backbone of and provide reliable service on the longest line in the system. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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