Jova42R Posted August 29, 2019 Share #22076 Posted August 29, 2019 When will service start? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyclonicTrainLookout Posted August 30, 2019 Share #22077 Posted August 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Jova42R said: When will service start? I'm not sure of an exact date, but it should start early next month as planned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 30, 2019 Share #22078 Posted August 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, CyclonicTrainLookout said: I'm not sure of an exact date, but it should start early next month as planned. Ok, thanks! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axis Posted August 30, 2019 Share #22079 Posted August 30, 2019 Here’s a bright idea. How about run trains to Bedford Park during middays to compensate for the once every 1̶6̶ 30 minute train bs. FOH with the 20 bus going too slow and making me just miss the last train for 15 minutes. I propose we crowdfund buffed weekday midday Manhattan to Bedford Park/Woodlawn/Cross County scope of service (or at least begin by bringing back all-day full-time bidirectional BxM4C). Or...tell people to stop going up here when there aren’t enough trains & buses to go around in the first place, so everything stops being too crowded AND slow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 via Mosholu Posted August 31, 2019 Share #22080 Posted August 31, 2019 I have passed by the Dyre platform of Gun Hill when I was on the Manhattan bound train and while I was on the Dyre train. I don't know why they never replaced the 1980's wall over there near the main exit. I really believed that it was going to be replaced, but I think that is more or less one of the disappointing renovations I have ever witnessed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted September 2, 2019 Share #22081 Posted September 2, 2019 (edited) While I'm not a daily or rider, I personally believe that after the officially made both lines on weekends each run at every 12 minute headways (5 tph) instead of the previous respective 7-8 minute headways (8 tph) on the former and 10 minute headways (6 tph) on the latter, weekend ridership on both lines probably went down slightly or a whole alot. Most and riders at their respective Queens ends commute via other modes of public transportation. Up to half-hour and/or even an hour plus ride on buses before finally boarding a train to Manhattan that they expect to run express and have shorter headways. Instead, they are local in terms of making all stops, slow in terms of speed, and/or have longer headways due to ever-lasting GOs and flagging. Edited September 2, 2019 by Jemorie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted September 2, 2019 Share #22082 Posted September 2, 2019 On 5/26/2019 at 7:41 PM, Around the Horn said: One of the statements that constantly get repeated around here is the idea that "The old was empty" (and/or useless or whatever description you choose). So since I found an old schedule of mine this afternoon, I decided to look up the schedule from the same time period in the Wayback machine, and I found that might have been partially by design. I'll explain: The and all ran every ten minutes or 6 TPH each, coming out to a combined 18 TPH during the morning and evening peaks (8 to 9 AM and 5 to 6 PM). Now obviously that doesn't divide evenly. 60/18= 3 and a third. So how do you insert that third service in between the or coming every five minutes? Looking at the schedule, downtown trains arrived at Essex Street on the 3's (so that's 8:13, 8:23, 8:33, etc). trains arrived on the 7's (8:17, 8:27, 8:37, etc) and trains arrived on the 2's (8:12, 8:22, 8:32, etc) Going back uptown in the evening, trains left Broad Street on the 0's (5:00, 5:10, 5:20, etc) and trains left on the 5's (5:05, 5:15, 5:25, etc) and trains arrived at Broad Street on the 6's (5:06, 5:16, 5:26, etc). Now what looks off there? That's right. The was always scheduled to be only one minute behind a ! This means in a ten minute period you had headways of 5, 1 and 4 minutes. No wonder the was so "empty", the directly in front was taking on 5 minutes worth of passengers and the was directly behind it, not picking up much and then the would be 4 minutes behind that . I'd also imagine that would kill reliability on the to be scheduled directly behind a train especially going Downtown when it would be fumigating at Broad Street. Only saw this a few months after it was posted. It explains a LOT on the old and why it wasn't that popular. Also makes a case for my "Brown " running from Bay Ridge-Essex that can supplement the and actually replace the shuttle in the overnights (essentially running the old route 24/7). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted September 2, 2019 Share #22083 Posted September 2, 2019 I believe the reason why the brown (M) was like that was because of how the (R) was scheduled and the capacity restraints in Mountague. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted September 2, 2019 Share #22084 Posted September 2, 2019 33 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: I believe the reason why the brown was like that was because of how the was scheduled and the capacity restraints in Mountague. The Montague Street Tube had no capacity constraints back then. The is officially scheduled to come every 6 minutes rush hours and 10 minutes all other times. Still is today. Like I told @Around the Horn that day when he made that statement, the old was lightly loaded because more people are headed to Midtown Manhattan from South Brooklyn than Lower Manhattan. However, going from Metropolitan Avenue to Manhattan, crowds were heavily loaded and still are the same as they were back then. Only difference is that instead of changing trains to reach Midtown, Chelsea, SoHo etc, they stay on the train, relieving crowding on those other lines going to Midtown, Chelsea, SoHo, etc. The , , , and are also much more crowded than the during the AM Rush out of Brooklyn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted September 3, 2019 Share #22085 Posted September 3, 2019 You guys been noticing the removal of "Off Hours" signs in the subway? Astor Place had its huge yellow enamel "Off Hours Waiting Area" signs that date to ~1986 finally covered up with black sheet metal recently. The old signs are still there, but clearly the MTA just wants them hidden away. There was an article in the Times a couple years ago about the MTA's decision to do away with the signs. They were first installed in 1982 or so, and there was supposed to be one in every station by 1987. As a result most of them are in Akzidenz-Grotesk and nearly all are porcelain enamel. They're being slowly eliminated, but there are tons of them to deal with. I have to check if the ones at 79th are still there–those used to be prominent too. Those were the stations with on-platform waiting areas, whereas there were a ton of stations with mezzanine areas. Woodside and Grand Central had a maze of them near fare control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted September 3, 2019 Share #22086 Posted September 3, 2019 I was on a train that got held up a good 5 minutes each at two different stops because of an incident that happened BEHIND us. Someone tell the they run trains, NOT conveyor belts or trams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted September 3, 2019 Share #22087 Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, paulrivera said: I was on a train that got held up a good 5 minutes each at two different stops because of an incident that happened BEHIND us. Someone tell the they run trains, NOT conveyor belts or trams. I mean, it could be a case of extended dwells to try to keep people at those stations from experiencing ridiculous wait times due to not knowing when the incident will be resolved. That's probably too positive, though. It's more likely a case of people not knowing what the hell is going on and entering panic mode... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted September 3, 2019 Share #22088 Posted September 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, Lex said: I mean, it could be a case of extended dwells to try to keep people at those stations from experiencing ridiculous wait times due to not knowing when the incident will be resolved. That's probably too positive, though. It's more likely a case of people not knowing what the hell is going on and entering panic mode... I don't even know anymore... My credit card can only digest so many Metro-North trips due to the subway system's impotence. Hell, even a delay on Metro-North itself is more tolerable than this shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted September 3, 2019 Share #22089 Posted September 3, 2019 Do trains run local on CPW at any time? I have seen some running local on Google maps. Is this correct? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted September 3, 2019 Share #22090 Posted September 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jova42R said: Do trains run local on CPW at any time? I have seen some running local on Google maps. Is this correct? Normally, they don’t, but the past few weekends as well a few times this year, they’ve been running local due to planned work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted September 3, 2019 Share #22091 Posted September 3, 2019 Yeah, because otherwise, leave the express. There’s no reason why its Bronx-bound customers should have to add an extra 15+ minutes to their travel time when both Central Park and the Museum of Natural History are closed at night anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted September 3, 2019 Share #22092 Posted September 3, 2019 16 hours ago, Lex said: I mean, it could be a case of extended dwells to try to keep people at those stations from experiencing ridiculous wait times due to not knowing when the incident will be resolved. That's probably too positive, though. It's more likely a case of people not knowing what the hell is going on and entering panic mode... That’s what the SOP was when I was there. If you don’t hold the train(s) directly ahead of the incident whenever things clear up there will be a gap which will impact the incident train and it’s followers depending on how long the delay is. I was held at 96th and Broadway one Saturday night while working the . The people working the Grand Concourse tower missed me because my follower was delayed at Allerton Avenue, in the Bronx, by the skating rink crowd. We were on a 12 minute headway so you can imagine how large the gap was. We had trains laid up on the structure from Pelham Parkway down to Bronx Park East so there was no way to bypass the incident. I’ve actually operated the 148th St- 135th St Lenox shuttle down to 96th and to Times Square at different times to cover the gap in similar situations and we only had 5 cars. It really boils down to what the Command Center (RCC) or local supervision decides. I know that feeling when you catch the right train but because of a delay on another train you miss that connection to the railroad at Penn or Grand Central, the Ferry, or the last bus of the night to your house. It’s happened to me. Carry on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted September 3, 2019 Share #22093 Posted September 3, 2019 When the runs to Coney Island, why isn't the northern terminal extended to Forest Hills? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted September 3, 2019 Share #22094 Posted September 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: When the runs to Coney Island, why isn't the northern terminal extended to Forest Hills? Because of ever-lasting GOs and flagging on Queens Blvd.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 via Mosholu Posted September 3, 2019 Share #22095 Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Lawrence St said: When the runs to Coney Island, why isn't the northern terminal extended to Forest Hills? They deem that the train can handle Continental by itself, even when the train runs to either Essex, Myrtle, or East Side - 96 Street. Because of constant General Orders along Queens Boulevard, it would be even slower for the train to run alongside it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted September 3, 2019 Share #22096 Posted September 3, 2019 35 minutes ago, 4 via Mosholu said: They deem that the train can handle Continental by itself, even when the train runs to either Essex, Myrtle, or East Side - 96 Street. Because of constant General Orders along Queens Boulevard, it would be even slower for the train to run alongside it. And they can't pause the QBL General Orders like they did with the along CPW? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted September 3, 2019 Share #22097 Posted September 3, 2019 57 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: When the runs to Coney Island, why isn't the northern terminal extended to Forest Hills? I’m confused, why _would_ it be extended to Forest Hills...? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted September 3, 2019 Share #22098 Posted September 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: And they can't pause the QBL General Orders like they did with the along CPW? Are you low key just obsessed with wanting to see the back on Queens Blvd or what lol. You know the Queens Blvd Line’s signaling system has to be upgraded anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted September 3, 2019 Share #22099 Posted September 3, 2019 2 hours ago, RR503 said: I’m confused, why _would_ it be extended to Forest Hills...? At least from my understanding, customers along QBL who want to go to Coney Island can take the directly without transferring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted September 3, 2019 Share #22100 Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: At least from my understanding, customers along QBL who want to go to Coney Island can take the directly without transferring. Customers along QBL wanting to go to Culver are an extremely small demographic, and do not require an expensive and capital project-disrupting service change to save them a simple transfer at Hoyt Schermerhorn or Court Square. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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