Fan Railer Posted July 15, 2017 Share #3851 Posted July 15, 2017 What was the GO they cancelled? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted July 15, 2017 Share #3852 Posted July 15, 2017 There was an express run on Coney Island-bound trains between Kings Highway and Sheepshead Bay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbfur Posted July 16, 2017 Share #3853 Posted July 16, 2017 It's 2017 now. Bombardier got the contract. Delivery was supposed to be in 2014. It got delayed to 2018. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share #3854 Posted July 16, 2017 It's 2017 now. Bombardier got the contract. Delivery was supposed to be in 2014. It got delayed to 2018. August 2017 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted July 17, 2017 Share #3855 Posted July 17, 2017 August 2017 That is good. Do you have any clue whether it is the beginning or end of August. I hope that it will be the latter so that I can be on the first trip, if possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share #3856 Posted July 17, 2017 That is good. Do you have any clue whether it is the beginning or end of August. I hope that it will be the latter so that I can be on the first trip, if possible. At this time I don't, as my specialty is Dept. of Buses. I don't keep up with the minor RTO details. However I can contact RTO or DCE and see what I can find out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted July 17, 2017 Share #3857 Posted July 17, 2017 Lol I’m the opposite, hope it’s earlier so I won’t miss it. I have a one week trip and I swear if it starts on that week.........[emoji35]. Prob just jinxed it as well[emoji17] Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted July 17, 2017 Share #3858 Posted July 17, 2017 At this time I don't, as my specialty is Dept. of Buses. I don't keep up with the minor RTO details. However I can contact RTO or DCE and see what I can find out. Thank you. I appreciate it! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted July 28, 2017 Share #3859 Posted July 28, 2017 In light of Joe Lhota's new initative with Lengthening the C train will they expand the 10 car part of this order or give punt it to the r211's or existing trains? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayJay85 Posted July 28, 2017 Share #3860 Posted July 28, 2017 In light of Joe Lhota's new initative with Lengthening the C train will they expand the 10 car part of this order or give punt it to the r211's or existing trains? I can see the last 180-200 cars R179's being change into 5 car sets right before they get built, that could leave 80 cars in 4 car units. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted July 28, 2017 Share #3861 Posted July 28, 2017 Can they even do that? The order has already been signed off on and it’s probably too late to change it. They haven’t made the cars yet but I doubt they can change it now. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted July 28, 2017 Share #3862 Posted July 28, 2017 I can see the last 180-200 cars R179's being change into 5 car sets right before they get built, that could leave 80 cars in 4 car units. Can they even do that? The order has already been signed off on and it’s probably too late to change it. They haven’t made the cars yet but I doubt they can change it now. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Does the contract have "option orders"? if it does add to the 5 car sets and then some 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted July 28, 2017 Share #3863 Posted July 28, 2017 There are no option orders. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted July 29, 2017 Share #3864 Posted July 29, 2017 There are no option orders. well that wasn't smart of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted July 29, 2017 Share #3865 Posted July 29, 2017 well that wasn't smart of them.It might just be the smarter option because bombardier takes so damn long. Do you want the last of the R179’s coming in when all the R211’s are up and running? It’s an exaggeration but seeing how far the delays pushed it back and their rushing testing, perhaps we missed a bullet. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted July 29, 2017 Share #3866 Posted July 29, 2017 The R179 order was changed so many times; the earlier iterations DID have option orders, and did call for a different balance of 4-car and 5-car sets. You can thank whichever smart person decided that it would be better to delete all the option orders from the contract lol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted July 30, 2017 Share #3867 Posted July 30, 2017 They can probably move 4 car trains over to the G train, the G train really needs them with increased ridership on this line.A 4 car train of 179s would be SHORTER than the 4 car sets of 68s they already use 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djtoro7 Posted July 30, 2017 Share #3868 Posted July 30, 2017 A 4 car train of 179s would be SHORTER than the 4 car sets of 68s they already useIt would likely be a full 8 car set Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted July 30, 2017 Share #3869 Posted July 30, 2017 It might just be the smarter option because bombardier takes so damn long. Do you want the last of the R179’s coming in when all the R211’s are up and running? It’s an exaggeration but seeing how far the delays pushed it back and their rushing testing, perhaps we missed a bullet. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app In that Case , i think i would put more options on the R211 plus what you are saying about BBD supposedly Siemens wants to buy them and the Chinese are collaborating with them who are totally unproven in north america plus Toronto's orders are way behind and they are close or have lost the new LRV contract from Toronto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted July 30, 2017 Share #3870 Posted July 30, 2017 In that Case , i think i would put more options on the R211 plus what you are saying about BBD supposedly Siemens wants to buy them and the Chinese are collaborating with them who are totally unproven in north america plus Toronto's orders are way behind and they are close or have lost the new LRV contract from Toronto I think the R211 contract is big enough as it is. It covers everything up to around 1985 so the B division can get caught up to the A division. I’m pretty sure MTA would account for most of the cars being taken out of service. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted July 30, 2017 Share #3871 Posted July 30, 2017 So the MTA said at one point the would remain 8 cars because the ridership doesn't warrant it. However I've used the plenty of times during the day where trains would be packed like sardines cars or the train would be SRO. But wasn't the real reason all the time that 207th could only service 8 car train lengths and not 10? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted July 30, 2017 Share #3872 Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) So the MTA said at one point the would remain 8 cars because the ridership doesn't warrant it. However I've used the plenty of times during the day where trains would be packed like sardines cars or the train would be SRO. But wasn't the real reason all the time that 207th could only service 8 car train lengths and not 10? IIMN, it has to do with the storage tracks at 174 Street Yard, because not all of them are long enough to accommodate 600' trains. I think the R211 contract is big enough as it is. It covers everything up to around 1985 so the B division can get caught up to the A division. I’m pretty sure MTA would account for most of the cars being taken out of service. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app The total order, with all options exercised, could be as big if not bigger than the entire R160 contract. There are a few factors that affect how many options, if any, will be exercised: • CBTC Installation (QBL, 8 and 6 Aves, Culver, etc, are being worked on ATM, even if just in design) • SAS Phase 2/3 (even Phase 2 is not likely to open before the last R211 wraps up, but they should have the cars at the ready anyway) • Fleet expansion to meet ridership demands ( , , , , and just to name a few) While the R211 is supposed to be a major contract anyway, I hope the MTA learns two things from the R160 and R179 projects. First, never scrap cars prematurely; if they aren't needed, at least keep them in working condition in case there is a problem with any cars that need to be taken OOS for an extended period of time for some reason (this happened with the R142s in 2006-7). And also, order more cars if needed rather than less to accommodate spare factor, CBTC, increase in ridership, etc. Edited July 30, 2017 by Bosco 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted July 30, 2017 Share #3873 Posted July 30, 2017 So the MTA said at one point the would remain 8 cars because the ridership doesn't warrant it. However I've used the plenty of times during the day where trains would be packed like sardines cars or the train would be SRO. But wasn't the real reason all the time that 207th could only service 8 car train lengths and not 10?A train being SRO wouldn't warrant note cars added. Thats how the trains are suppose to be with standard ridership. You're not reserved a seat for your fare. Now if the whole train was packed to the doors with no room, then it would be warranted. The see is rarely,outside of a delay- that packed. Maybe the first and last cars due to most of the exits in Brooklyn placed there, but the rest is usually SRO. Perfectly acceptable. Sent from my LGLS755 using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted July 31, 2017 Share #3874 Posted July 31, 2017 A train being SRO wouldn't warrant note cars added. Thats how the trains are suppose to be with standard ridership. You're not reserved a seat for your fare. Now if the whole train was packed to the doors with no room, then it would be warranted. The see is rarely,outside of a delay- that packed. Maybe the first and last cars due to most of the exits in Brooklyn placed there, but the rest is usually SRO. Perfectly acceptable. Sent from my LGLS755 using Tapatalk Agreed. I've never seen the crowded to the extent where people were left on the platform as I've said before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted July 31, 2017 Share #3875 Posted July 31, 2017 If they want to expand the C to 600-foot length trains in the *near* future, expect a fleet swap of some sort to accomplish that goal. Although I wouldn't rule it out, another change-order to the R179 contract at this stage is highly unlikely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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