JayJay85 Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7601 Posted February 23, 2019 On 11/1/2018 at 2:40 PM, subwaycommuter1983 said: Wow, thank you for sharing this information. There was a rumor years ago that the r160's were supposed to to the B/D trains. However, this information confirms that this rumor is not true. Is 318 cars now instead of 316 cars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7602 Posted February 23, 2019 There are more r32's on the A and more r46's on the C. If the C goes full length, but the G stays the same way, then the other option for the MTA to manage the surplus of 8 car trains at ENY is to extend the J past Broad street during rush hour. In fact according to an article in AMNY, the possibility of a J extension is already being explored. Click on this link to READ the article https://www.amny.com/transit/r-train-split-service-1.27559690 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B22viaAtlanticAv Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7603 Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: There are more r32's on the A and more r46's on the C. If the C goes full length, but the G stays the same way, then the other option for the MTA to manage the surplus of 8 car trains at ENY is to extend the J past Broad street during rush hour. In fact according to an article in AMNY, the possibility of a J extension is already being explored. Click on this link to READ the article https://www.amny.com/transit/r-train-split-service-1.27559690 Really?🤔the article had more to do with cutting the in two than exploring any possiblity of extending the because the have a surplus of 8car R179.... Side note: The MTA has been upgrading the Switches between Ditmas Ave and 18 Ave...Could be one of the reasons they ain't ready to out right push additional cars to the 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7604 Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, B22viaAtlanticAv said: Really?🤔the article had more to do with cutting the in two than exploring any possiblity of extending the because the have a surplus of 8car R179.... Side note: The MTA has been upgrading the Switches between Ditmas Ave and 18 Ave...Could be one of the reasons they ain't ready to out right push additional cars to the Yes, but I doubt the MTA would split the R unless R train riders in Queens, Manhattan and Brooklyn request the R to be split. The article mentions the J extension as an alternative to that idea as well as additional R train services. The MTA needs to find a way of managing the surplus of 8 car trains. If the G doesn't go full length, the other options would be the C until the r211's, the J extension or some secret way of making some 8 car r179's into 10 car trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B22viaAtlanticAv Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7605 Posted February 23, 2019 But one line tho... "Ben Kabak, of Second Avenue Sagas, said it would be much more fruitful to explore adding R service during rush hours or extending the J train down from lower Manhattan." Anyways, since Cuomo worked his magic...I don't think the MTA is in any rush to extend or improve anything right now... we just got wait and see... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m2fwannabe Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7606 Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 6:08 AM, Fan Railer said: 3214-3217; last night. A week late!......again!! That's 174 delivered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK Depot Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7607 Posted February 23, 2019 5 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: Yes, but I doubt the MTA would split the R unless R train riders in Queens, Manhattan and Brooklyn request the R to be split. The article mentions the J extension as an alternative to that idea as well as additional R train services. The MTA needs to find a way of managing the surplus of 8 car trains. If the G doesn't go full length, the other options would be the C until the r211's, the J extension or some secret way of making some 8 car r179's into 10 car trains. The M was cut from South Brooklyn because of no real demand for it.... sending the J down to South Brooklyn brings back the same issue and then where is it terminating at ? Bay Ridge ? Bay Parkway ? where 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7608 Posted February 23, 2019 Why was the not full length to begin with? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 6 Ave Local Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7609 Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Lawrence St said: Why was the not full length to begin with? I think it's because for a very long time (until 1988) the was part time and they never got around to putting it at full length. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7610 Posted February 23, 2019 2 hours ago, KK 6 Ave Local said: I think it's because for a very long time (until 1988) the was part time and they never got around to putting it at full length. He knows why. He just pretends like he doesn’t know why. And no. The reason is because the shops at 207th Street can only hold 480 feet long trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7611 Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, B22viaAtlanticAv said: But one line tho... "Ben Kabak, of Second Avenue Sagas, said it would be much more fruitful to explore adding R service during rush hours or extending the J train down from lower Manhattan." Anyways, since Cuomo worked his magic...I don't think the MTA is in any rush to extend or improve anything right now... we just got wait and see... I agree. The MTA has changed so many plans as a result of the cancellation of Canarsie shutdown. It's still unclear what's going to happen once all r179's are in service. The only thing the MTA has confirmed is that the G won't be full length. Edited February 23, 2019 by subwaycommuter1983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whz1995 Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7612 Posted February 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Lawrence St said: Why was the not full length to begin with? is not packed at all besides from lower Manhattan to mid town in rush hour. I am not seeing any benefit to have full length 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7613 Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, whz1995 said: is not packed at all besides from lower Manhattan to mid town in rush hour. I am not seeing any benefit to have full length You obviously are saying that just because. Just curious, do you ride the line from Brooklyn to Manhattan in the AM? And keep in mind that the being full length isn’t just extra capacity. It’s also basically a slight increase in service as well. For example, the uses 144 cars (18 trainsets of eight car trains). You add an extra 36 cars (four trains of eight car trains) and that’s a slight increase from 10 minute headways to 7.5 minute headways. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7614 Posted February 23, 2019 With the Westside developing, you're gonna need full length trains. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7615 Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, whz1995 said: is not packed at all besides from lower Manhattan to mid town in rush hour. I am not seeing any benefit to have full length Have you taken the C to any station along CPW?? The C gets really crowded especially during the weekends, when there's no B trains running and 81st street is always packed during the daytime (weekdays and weekends). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHacksJustKhaks Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7616 Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, whz1995 said: I am not seeing any benefit to have full length ridership has been amping up lately and sometimes, even on non rush hour runs, the trains can be packed. It may have been good before as a 4 car set, but you can't sing a song with Barney The Purple Dinosaur to ignore that the will need at least some 8 car sets to handle higher rider numbers for gods sake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7617 Posted February 23, 2019 38 minutes ago, Jemorie said: You obviously are saying that just because. Just curious, do you ride the line from Brooklyn to Manhattan in the AM? And keep in mind that the being full length isn’t just extra capacity. It’s also basically a slight increase in service as well. For example, the uses 144 cars (18 trainsets of eight car trains). You add an extra 36 cars (four trains of eight car trains) and that’s a slight increase from 10 minute headways to 7.5 minute headways. I agree. More C trains are needed and they need to be full length trains not just in Brooklyn, but also along CPW. 81st is overcrowded during the weekends, where the C headways are terrible and there is no B service. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7618 Posted February 23, 2019 Train is at Far Rock - Mott Ave right now. Wasn't even looking for it, since I didn't an chance to ride it on the Rockaway elevated structure the first time I rode it, Guess I'll do that now lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7619 Posted February 23, 2019 2 hours ago, whz1995 said: is not packed at all besides from lower Manhattan to mid town in rush hour. I am not seeing any benefit to have full length Are you out of your mind? I was crushed in a train just yesterday afternoon... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjineer Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7620 Posted February 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Jemorie said: He knows why. He just pretends like he doesn’t know why. Wasn't it also due to fleet shortages, at least until recently? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7621 Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Around the Horn said: Are you out of your mind? I was crushed in a train just yesterday afternoon... Hell, I've been on crushed trains all WEEK.....working around the UWS can be a pain in the ass because of that. Thank god for trains lol. 3198-3205 seems to be done with testing, it should hit service pretty soon. Edited February 23, 2019 by Cait Sith 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7622 Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Enjineer said: Wasn't it also due to fleet shortages, at least until recently? This was also the effect. Until more R179 trains enter service (as in the 3200s etc.) on the Fulton St line, that'll change. Edited February 23, 2019 by Calvin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjineer Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7623 Posted February 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Cait Sith said: Hell, I've been on crushed trains all WEEK.....working around the UWS can be a pain in the ass because of that. My local stops are 86th on both west side lines. Often on a weekend I'll opt for the just because I know the will be crowded, not stopping due to service changes, and running with lower frequencies than the . Often it's a mix of all three reasons. Weekend service either needs some sort of truncated along CPW (e.g. 145th St to 2 Av-Houston, maybe?), or at least more frequent service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7624 Posted February 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Enjineer said: My local stops are 86th on both west side lines. Often on a weekend I'll opt for the just because I know the will be crowded, not stopping due to service changes, and running with lower frequencies than the . Often it's a mix of all three reasons. Weekend service either needs some sort of truncated along CPW (e.g. 145th St to 2 Av-Houston, maybe?), or at least more frequent service. Thank you!!!! Yes!!!! You read my mind. Lol!!! I hope the MTA decides to do both. The sooner the better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whz1995 Posted February 23, 2019 Share #7625 Posted February 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Jemorie said: You obviously are saying that just because. Just curious, do you ride the line from Brooklyn to Manhattan in the AM? And keep in mind that the being full length isn’t just extra capacity. It’s also basically a slight increase in service as well. For example, the uses 144 cars (18 trainsets of eight car trains). You add an extra 36 cars (four trains of eight car trains) and that’s a slight increase from 10 minute headways to 7.5 minute headways. You are saying Capacity V.S. Frequency. MTA won't let you have both at the same time. Its better to have more trains(freq) with R179 although MTA needs more crews for that. 1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: Have you taken the C to any station along CPW?? The C gets really crowded especially during the weekends, when there's no B trains running and 81st street is always packed during the daytime (weekdays and weekends). I take from Broadway Junction to 145 st at 8AM and and the other way at 6PM almost every weekday. I agree that 81st st is packed sometimes because of the museum, But I dont agree other stations in CPW are packed from what I observed. I do think MTA needs to have more trains to run CPW local during the weekend while is not running at that time. Or they can just use R46 on the weekend. 1 hour ago, NoHacksJustKhaks said: ridership has been amping up lately and sometimes, even on non rush hour runs, the trains can be packed. It may have been good before as a 4 car set, but you can't sing a song with Barney The Purple Dinosaur to ignore that the will need at least some 8 car sets to handle higher rider numbers for gods sake. I mean with 8 car sets is good enough now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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