Cait Sith Posted January 10, 2019 Share #7001 Posted January 10, 2019 Folks.....ya'll gotta realize that the R179s aren't the ONLY TRAINS that have had issues when they were brand new..... R142s had similar problems when they were being delivered...it took them years(almost 10 years to be precise) to work out the problems, and now they are the most reliable NTTs in the IRT. R62As(or R62s, I forgot which ones) also had problems when they were brand new. Same for the R46s and some of the other subway cars in the fleet. Everything has their own issues when they are brand new out of the game......the R142s did, the R143s did, and the R160s did, and a bunch of other subway car fleets did. The R179s are not exempt from that. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted January 10, 2019 Share #7002 Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cait Sith said: Folks.....ya'll gotta realize that the R179s aren't the ONLY TRAINS that have had issues when they were brand new..... R142s had similar problems when they were being delivered...it took them years(almost 10 years to be precise) to work out the problems, and now they are the most reliable NTTs in the IRT. R62As(or R62s, I forgot which ones) also had problems when they were brand new. Same for the R46s and some of the other subway cars in the fleet. Everything has their own issues when they are brand new out of the game......the R142s did, the R143s did, and the R160s did, and a bunch of other subway car fleets did. The R179s are not exempt from that. I think people are just “zeroing” in at the fact that these cars were delivered extremely late. They’re using the delayed order as Ammo to point out flaws in the cars. I’m sure in time, they’ll be fine, and reliable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted January 10, 2019 Share #7003 Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cait Sith said: Folks.....ya'll gotta realize that the R179s aren't the ONLY TRAINS that have had issues when they were brand new..... R142s had similar problems when they were being delivered...it took them years(almost 10 years to be precise) to work out the problems, and now they are the most reliable NTTs in the IRT. R62As(or R62s, I forgot which ones) also had problems when they were brand new. Same for the R46s and some of the other subway cars in the fleet. Everything has their own issues when they are brand new out of the game......the R142s did, the R143s did, and the R160s did, and a bunch of other subway car fleets did. The R179s are not exempt from that. The R68s as well. The R32s, because they were so much lighter, initially didn't have enough clearance in the tunnels. Edited January 10, 2019 by Union Tpke 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted January 10, 2019 Share #7004 Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, VIP said: I think people are just “zeroing” in at the fact that these cars were delivered extremely late. I would know that because I pick on the cars for that reason. Bombardier almost always has delays with orders, specifically NYC. But I admit the cars are fine, but definitely not my favorite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jchambers2120 Posted January 10, 2019 Share #7005 Posted January 10, 2019 I saw a pic of 3010-19 doing some testing on the Apple today in one of the RTO groups I’m in. Happy hunting... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted January 10, 2019 Share #7006 Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, MysteriousBtrain said: I would know that because I pick on the cars for that reason. Bombardier almost always has delays with orders, specifically NYC. But I admit the cars are fine, but definitely not my favorite. That's not true. This is the only delivery that they've actually been late with.....the only mishap was with the R62As, as there were damaged cars that were delivered a year or two later. They were also on-time with the M-7 deliveries. But, if we're gonna go that route.... Alstom was late with the R160 order by almost a year. Westinghouse was late with the R68s by a little over a year after failing tests numerous times. Pullman Standard was late with the full delivery of the R46s by 2-3 years.(when you think about it, the R179s are almost like that, just not with the same problems). Edited January 10, 2019 by Cait Sith 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHacksJustKhaks Posted January 10, 2019 Share #7007 Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, VIP said: I think people are just “zeroing” in at the fact that these cars were delivered extremely late. They’re using the delayed order as Ammo to point out flaws in the cars. I’m sure in time, they’ll be fine, and reliable. In a way, yes. These are two different issues entirely, the fact that their late isn’t obviously good in any way and I don’t respect Bombardier for these mistakes they’ve failed to adapt upon lately (not just in NY). But honestly, all trains have kinks that need to be worked with time, being perfect out of the gate can almost be classified as luck . So with that, it isn’t exactly the end of the world at all. Edited January 10, 2019 by NoHacksJustKhaks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Railfanning Posted January 11, 2019 Share #7008 Posted January 11, 2019 Are 3182-3189 and 3190-3197 still testing? Also, has 3202-3205 been delivered yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted January 11, 2019 Share #7009 Posted January 11, 2019 There was one back in service on the today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted January 11, 2019 Share #7010 Posted January 11, 2019 I think the is going to have the R179’s for awhile... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R179 8258 Posted January 11, 2019 Share #7011 Posted January 11, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 10:14 PM, Jemorie said: 3202-3205 is at Pitkin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whz1995 Posted January 11, 2019 Share #7012 Posted January 11, 2019 On 1/10/2019 at 2:49 PM, Cait Sith said: Folks.....ya'll gotta realize that the R179s aren't the ONLY TRAINS that have had issues when they were brand new..... R142s had similar problems when they were being delivered...it took them years(almost 10 years to be precise) to work out the problems, and now they are the most reliable NTTs in the IRT. R62As(or R62s, I forgot which ones) also had problems when they were brand new. Same for the R46s and some of the other subway cars in the fleet. Everything has their own issues when they are brand new out of the game......the R142s did, the R143s did, and the R160s did, and a bunch of other subway car fleets did. The R179s are not exempt from that. The thing is the manufactures hasn't gain any experiences from the past especially R179 is only a newer version of R160. If you take closer look of the interior of R179, there are lots of things that they should have them done better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 11, 2019 Share #7013 Posted January 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, whz1995 said: The thing is the manufactures hasn't gain any experiences from the past especially R179 is only a newer version of R160. If you take closer look of the interior of R179, there are lots of things that they should have them done better. That's not the issue here. Every class has a slightly different interior. The point with the 179s has been mechanical, electrical and the Construction of them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted January 13, 2019 Share #7014 Posted January 13, 2019 Check out this video that I found on YouTube. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjineer Posted January 14, 2019 Share #7015 Posted January 14, 2019 I've been following the issues with the R179s, and someone said they waited along the C for an hour during the Friday rush and saw no 179s. Have they all been pulled from the C due to the intercar spring issues? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coney Island Av Posted January 15, 2019 Share #7016 Posted January 15, 2019 Heads up, 3206-3209 was recently delivered. Can't believe no one including me noticed until just now... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted January 15, 2019 Share #7017 Posted January 15, 2019 10 hours ago, Enjineer said: I've been following the issues with the R179s, and someone said they waited along the C for an hour during the Friday rush and saw no 179s. Have they all been pulled from the C due to the intercar spring issues? Their was one set in service on the line today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 15, 2019 Share #7018 Posted January 15, 2019 Last night on the all I saw were R160's, not a single R179. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjineer Posted January 15, 2019 Share #7019 Posted January 15, 2019 51 minutes ago, trainfan22 said: Their was one set in service on the line today. Ah, thanks for the info. Any idea if the 179s will be assigned permanently to the C, or if they'll move back to ENY once these kinks are worked out. Additionally, any timeframe for when the pulled cars will go back into service? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V886132 Posted January 16, 2019 Share #7020 Posted January 16, 2019 On 1/14/2019 at 11:23 PM, Enjineer said: Ah, thanks for the info. Any idea if the 179s will be assigned permanently to the C, or if they'll move back to ENY once these kinks are worked out. Just amateur speculation on my end, but I wouldn't be surprised if the is staying at 480' after all, with the 4-car R179s. But, wouldn't the only other places they could theoretically go be ENY or the , where the former already has an abundance of 4-car sets? Again, I could be wrong, but it seems that the Eastern Division will soon have more than enough cars on its hands--and it wouldn't be a shock for the to scrap their 600' plans without fair warning. It will also be interesting to see the 5-car sets running. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjineer Posted January 16, 2019 Share #7021 Posted January 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, V886132 said: Just amateur speculation on my end, but I wouldn't be surprised if the is staying at 480' after all, with the 4-car R179s. My understanding was that the R32s being moved to the , as well as the incoming 5-car R179 sets (to make 10-car trains on the ) would push R46s to the for supplemental 600' service, but that the would still have a mix of both 480' and 600' trains. If the R32s and the 10-car R179s can push enough R46s to the from the , that would make sense, but I'm not sure whether or not the numbers would work out in that case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 16, 2019 Share #7022 Posted January 16, 2019 The is still going full length. Any leftover 480 foot train would be moved to the (G). The is supposed to be 10 car R32,R46 and R179's, basically sharing with the (A). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjineer Posted January 16, 2019 Share #7023 Posted January 16, 2019 Huh, I had no idea. That's gonna be real nice. So will the 179s move back to ENY to move R160s to CI, or will they go to CI for the G? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted January 16, 2019 Share #7024 Posted January 16, 2019 7 hours ago, Enjineer said: My understanding was that the R32s being moved to the , as well as the incoming 5-car R179 sets (to make 10-car trains on the ) would push R46s to the for supplemental 600' service, but that the would still have a mix of both 480' and 600' trains. If the R32s and the 10-car R179s can push enough R46s to the from the , that would make sense, but I'm not sure whether or not the numbers would work out in that case. That may be modified as a result of Canarsie shutdown not happening. In fact, the A has been running mostly r46's and the C has been running mostly r32's. Let's see what happens once all issues on the 8 car r179's have been fixed and all 10 car r179's are in service. But, I wouldn't be surprised if the C keeps some 8 car trains until the r211's. 12 full length trains won't cover the entire C fleet and the C needs more than 17 trains. As for the G becoming 100% full length this year?? I still see that happening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjineer Posted January 16, 2019 Share #7025 Posted January 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: As for the G becoming 100% full length this year?? I still see that happening. I do too. I remember Byford said even with the Canarsie shutdown up in the air he still wanted to see service improvements like full-length G trains happen regardless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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