Nature Posted November 8, 2009 Share #1 Posted November 8, 2009 I was wondering like i feel bad for the super skinny T/O's that have to deal with thoes throttle handles i sometimes see them struggle with 2 hands to turn the thing fully around to brake i wonder why they brake so early and hard i wonder how the P handle felt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted November 8, 2009 Share #2 Posted November 8, 2009 The R46 controller is ugly.The throttle sits on a big box,while the R44 sits on a turntable like plattform.I liked the old R46 console before GOH with the sliding p-wire throttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paniagua Posted November 8, 2009 Share #3 Posted November 8, 2009 The R46 controller is ugly.The throttle sits on a big box,while the R44 sits on a turntable like plattform.I liked the old R46 console before GOH with the sliding p-wire throttle. I actually like the controller on the R46, it's professional looking and it's similar to the single master controller on the MBTA Red Line 015/01600s and 01700s, althought their controller's logo is the big "W" for WABCO while the R46's Master Controller has my favorite logo of it's maker, Newtran, and it looks cute on the base of the R46 cab's MC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted November 8, 2009 Share #4 Posted November 8, 2009 Does anyone have a pic of the R46 controller before GOH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted November 9, 2009 Share #5 Posted November 9, 2009 Does anyone have a pic of the R46 controller before GOH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted November 9, 2009 Share #6 Posted November 9, 2009 That controller looks much better,minus the speedometer design.It looks like an oven range knob.Very modern for its time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted November 9, 2009 Share #7 Posted November 9, 2009 Do not quote the picture, just press the 3rd button that allows you to 'quick reply' instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted November 9, 2009 Share #8 Posted November 9, 2009 Don't tell me they used that small controller to drive the train!... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted November 9, 2009 Share #9 Posted November 9, 2009 I wish 44's and 46's had this: The Westcode is close, but this one is more like the GE's in the SMEE's, and doesn't pop up like th eWestcode. Looks much more comfortable to hold down and rotate than either the Westcode or NYAB's in the 46's. (Nobody on the LIRR forum knew what model this was. Does anyone know here?) Really, the 44's and 46's should have slide controllers as that's wht they started with, and the M1 style controller should go to the 62's and 68's and replace the brake handles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted November 9, 2009 Share #10 Posted November 9, 2009 Yup.They used that tiny controller.Not much different from the R160. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted November 9, 2009 Share #11 Posted November 9, 2009 Yup they did use that type controller, and it was that small. Worked *similar* to an NTT controller except for the way you held it. The M1/M2/M3 controllers are nice. I think they'd have been good as well, so agreed with Eric B. Seem to have a smaller swing radius and stayed down unlike the popping Westcodes. Going forward I'd think it'd be interesting if they ever considered a standard "SMEE Type" brake stand in each cab, with a brake handle (though it would be electric brakes like any other NTT), with a separate "NTT style" master controller for power/coast so it'd be two hand operation, but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted November 9, 2009 Share #12 Posted November 9, 2009 (Nobody on the LIRR forum knew what model this was. Does anyone know here?) M3 cab I believe. Going forward I'd think it'd be interesting if they ever considered a standard "SMEE Type" brake stand in each cab, with a brake handle (though it would be electric brakes like any other NTT), with a separate "NTT style" master controller for power/coast so it'd be two hand operation, but that's just me.Isn't that how the Track Geometry controls is set up as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted November 9, 2009 Share #13 Posted November 9, 2009 I think he means the name of the specific master controller component, which I'm not sure of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted November 9, 2009 Share #14 Posted November 9, 2009 That`s a nice cab.Looks refurbished they must have spruced it up for the tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNIGHTRIDER3:16 Posted November 9, 2009 Share #15 Posted November 9, 2009 (G)ive me (W)estco any day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutgers Tube Posted November 11, 2009 Share #16 Posted November 11, 2009 How was the older-style master controller on the 46's held during operation, and why was it changed during the GOH? And is that the reverser on the bottom right of the operator's panel, almost looking like a three-way toggle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted November 11, 2009 Share #17 Posted November 11, 2009 Does anyone have pics of the R44 control console?I mean most of this talk is about the R46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted November 12, 2009 Share #18 Posted November 12, 2009 Does anyone have pics of the R44 control console?I mean most of this talk is about the R46 I could only find a SIRT R44 Cab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted November 12, 2009 Share #19 Posted November 12, 2009 I could only find a SIRT R44 Cab. Wow this pic is even better,because I personally never seen this cineston version on the R44 I only heard of it.It look sooo primitive and its structured similar to a commuter car`s control.I know the (NYCT) Version on the uses the westcode version which sits on that turntable looking console.Thanks for the upload:tup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted November 12, 2009 Share #20 Posted November 12, 2009 Yes the toggle dial on the bottom right of the R46 console was the reverser. Now the reverser is on the stand the master controller handle is mounted on. As for the R44 cab post GOH with the Westcode master controller, here is is (reverser is underneath the console, in the front): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted November 12, 2009 Share #21 Posted November 12, 2009 That speedometer is out of wack, lol 26MPH standing still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted November 12, 2009 Share #22 Posted November 12, 2009 Heh...maybe someone forgot to set a handbrake Can never go by those things..."just a guide nothing more" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutgers Tube Posted November 12, 2009 Share #23 Posted November 12, 2009 If anyone is familiar with the air brake system in a large truck, a diamond-shaped valve handle is used to set the parking brake, as shown in the linked picture: http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/v/vr/vroombroom/435903_parking_brake.jpg I've never seen such a knob on operator's console. How do operators and engineers lock a train's brakes? Do they move the controller to the emergency position and then set hand brakes, or is there a similar valve handle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted November 12, 2009 Share #24 Posted November 12, 2009 If anyone is familiar with the air brake system in a large truck, a diamond-shaped valve handle is used to set the parking brake, as shown in the linked picture: http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/v/vr/vroombroom/435903_parking_brake.jpg I've never seen such a knob on operator's console. How do operators and engineers lock a train's brakes? Do they move the controller to the emergency position and then set hand brakes, or is there a similar valve handle? yep, move controller into emergency, let go so it goes into the deadmans, and deactivate the reverser switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted November 12, 2009 Share #25 Posted November 12, 2009 If anyone is familiar with the air brake system in a large truck, a diamond-shaped valve handle is used to set the parking brake, as shown in the linked picture: http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/v/vr/vroombroom/435903_parking_brake.jpg I've never seen such a knob on operator's console. How do operators and engineers lock a train's brakes? Do they move the controller to the emergency position and then set hand brakes, or is there a similar valve handle? I've seen those on old AmTran school buses as well from the 90s. All I know is that when the driver puts on the parking brake, it releases a lot of air much in the manner of subway trains after they were parked at their termius. Are you saying that the T/Os put on the emergency brakes as parking brakes after the train is stopped at the termius? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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