Vistausss Posted March 20, 2011 Share #501 Posted March 20, 2011 Instead of thoughts or opinions, may I ask a question? Is a bar car really needed at MNRR? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexis4Jersey Posted March 21, 2011 Share #502 Posted March 21, 2011 Instead of thoughts or opinions, may I ask a question? Is a bar car really needed at MNRR? Yes to keep the Connecticut Commuters sane after a long day at work. Its also a bit of tradition for some...... The Newer cars will be more of a cafe car then a bar car.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutgers Tube Posted March 21, 2011 Share #503 Posted March 21, 2011 Instead of thoughts or opinions, may I ask a question? Is a bar car really needed at MNRR? From a fiscal point of view, yes. It's a huge source of revenue for MNR, and Metro-North is one of the last, possibly THE last commuter railroad in the US to still offer an open bar car service. Here's a question for Truckie: Are bar cars a hot topic for customer service reps to respond to for whatever reason, and did C.S. receive a lot of "We want our bar cars!" last year before it was announced that some of the new M8 cars would become bar/cafe cars? Here's a question for Homeball: I generally see bar cars placed in the middle of a consist, whenever possible. Is this for ease of access from both ends of the train, or to minimize inebriated passengers from passing between cars by usually having the bar car platform, or for ease of car-cuts at short platforms, or am I completely off with my observation? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted March 21, 2011 Share #504 Posted March 21, 2011 Here's a question for Homeball: I generally see bar cars placed in the middle of a consist, whenever possible. Is this for ease of access from both ends of the train, or to minimize inebriated passengers from passing between cars by usually having the bar car platform, or for ease of car-cuts at short platforms, or am I completely off with my observation? Barcars are also found on the front of the consist 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutgers Tube Posted March 21, 2011 Share #505 Posted March 21, 2011 Barcars are also found on the front of the consist Good point, and there have been a few times this past winter in which the head car on my 1503 train was a bar car, due to equipment shortages. However, considering that said train departs New Haven at 4:12 am and arrives at GCT at 5:47 am, food and beverages were not being vended. To be honest, I'm not sure I've ever seen a bar car with food and beverage service at the head of a consist in excess of six cars. That's not to say that it never happens, but generally a bar car at the head end seems to be more of an equipment move or to provide extra equipment during times of excess equipment shortages. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeBall Posted March 21, 2011 Share #506 Posted March 21, 2011 If there is any reason for bar car placement it's probably so that it's closer to the block at GCT more foot traffic most people pass through from the south end. Perhaps even they're easier to load from the south end of the platforms in GCT since the commissary is by the elevators. Though it's mentioned in MNR OBSM(On-Board Service Manual) that bar cars are placed in the train in an area that would normally be open for service, I can't imagine any bar car trains having closed cars during the rush hour, so all the cars on a train would be open anyway. But more than that I would think it's purely coincidental. Sort of like bathroom cars on bomb trains, they could be anywhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutgers Tube Posted March 22, 2011 Share #507 Posted March 22, 2011 ...Sort of like bathroom cars on bomb trains, they could be anywhere. Speaking of the Bombs, weren't a few of the CDOT-owned Shoreliners in the 6200 #'s outfitted as bar/cafe cars at one point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeBall Posted March 22, 2011 Share #508 Posted March 22, 2011 Yes, there were but car #'s are not my specialty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted March 22, 2011 Share #509 Posted March 22, 2011 Second set consists of 9121-20 - 9119-18 - 9111-10 - 9123-22 There are 6 cars in Yonkers 4 still from pantograph damage and one pair for other modifications, believed to be one first pairs. Currently two cars at sea, and two more on Boat but has not left Japan yet, 6 cars ready for shipping on next boat and last pair sometime in May 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share #510 Posted March 22, 2011 Good point, and there have been a few times this past winter in which the head car on my 1503 train was a bar car, due to equipment shortages. However, considering that said train departs New Haven at 4:12 am and arrives at GCT at 5:47 am, food and beverages were not being vended. To be honest, I'm not sure I've ever seen a bar car with food and beverage service at the head of a consist in excess of six cars. That's not to say that it never happens, but generally a bar car at the head end seems to be more of an equipment move or to provide extra equipment during times of excess equipment shortages.Funny you mentioned that because on one of my previous trips to NYC,the lead car was a bar car.Very odd ride I must add. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted March 25, 2011 Share #511 Posted March 25, 2011 Caught them twice while fanning Stamford before going up to Danbury. Also got to chat with the engineer. Photos: http://gregorygrice.rrpicturearchives.net/archivethumbs.aspx?id=65944 And a bonus, Bar car leading to GCT: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted March 25, 2011 Share #512 Posted March 25, 2011 Sorry about the double post, but I got this video yesterday when catching them the second time. You can read the video description for more details 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted March 25, 2011 Share #513 Posted March 25, 2011 I wouldn't call that a door malfunction.. Looks like the doors weren't closing somewhere else on the consist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted March 25, 2011 Share #514 Posted March 25, 2011 I wouldn't call that a door malfunction.. Looks like the doors weren't closing somewhere else on the consist. Conductor confirmed it. He was in the cab of the same car I was filming from. Conductor himself: http://gregorygrice.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2456971 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted March 25, 2011 Share #515 Posted March 25, 2011 Conductor confirmed it. He was in the cab of the same car I was filming from. Conductor himself: http://gregorygrice.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2456971 Ah ok. Fair enough... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted March 25, 2011 Share #516 Posted March 25, 2011 Ah ok. Fair enough... He said it was no big deal, nothing to worry about. All equipment has its days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernRailway Posted March 26, 2011 Share #517 Posted March 26, 2011 Do we have a rough idea of what the M-8s' schedule is, at least arriving and leaving Grand Central? Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted March 26, 2011 Share #518 Posted March 26, 2011 Do we have a rough idea of what the M-8s' schedule is, at least arriving and leaving Grand Central? Thanks. They have been running on different times particualrly during rush hour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernRailway Posted March 27, 2011 Share #519 Posted March 27, 2011 Thanks- I meant to say "weekend" schedule- that varies too, I take it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernRailway Posted April 1, 2011 Share #520 Posted April 1, 2011 Do we have ideas about the M-8s' schedule for this weekend? Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted April 9, 2011 Share #521 Posted April 9, 2011 Caught them again, And this time I rode both of the revenue sets, in one day!: Here are the cab shots (Other M8 videos can be seen on my Youtube Page): And Both sets leaving GCT next to each other: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernRailway Posted May 1, 2011 Share #522 Posted May 1, 2011 I've seen M-8s on the Saturday 1:37 train from GCT to Stamford, and the Sunday 5:37 train from GCT to I think New Haven (or maybe Stamford). Are these schedules fixed as always M-8s? Any other trains that definitely are? Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted May 1, 2011 Share #523 Posted May 1, 2011 Yes, if you see them on a train, they are 99% of the time doing that run everyday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted May 2, 2011 Share #524 Posted May 2, 2011 For those of you foamers The M8s run on theses trains: Weekday: 1511 1521 1340 1244 1451 1375 (arrives on Track 108 in GCT) 1570 (Track 109 in GCT) 1370 (Track 108 in GCT) 1387 1588 1595 1594 Thats all for now. More later 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutgers Tube Posted May 2, 2011 Share #525 Posted May 2, 2011 As a sign that things are truly changing... Several weeks ago I was aboard the 1570 (6:29 pm GCT-NHV), an eight-car consist of M8's, waiting for it to depart from 109 Track. About ten minutes before it departed, the 1577 (4:24 pm NHV-GCT) arrived on 108 Track, another eight-car consist of M8's and nothing but. After a brutal winter, Hell has begun to thaw. :cool: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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