N6 Limited

They are running more than the MTA would have been at this point in time. LIB has always had break down issues,they've inherited those buses. Bunching is a major issue, it seems that everytime I use the N6 they're late and bunched, quite irritating.

The N6X is a cut in running time/milage, but moves just as many people. On Paper it makes sense, everyone going the distance to the Subway or Hempstead will be in the Express bus which will leave room in the Local to pick up everyone else, we shall see.

As a off & on regular rider of the N20/21, i can make comments about the route.

 

I compared the schedule changes & its not too bad at all. The cuts aren't very noticeable. Minor cuts on the limtied. Some adjustment on lengthening the route or shortening it. The current schedule is out of whacked a little imo. I noticed sometimes there isn't enough buses and other times 2-4 buses comes at once which is annoying to say the least. Its combination of scheduling issues & delays causing all this.

 

Weekend schedule seem to be an increase in service. I notice the lenghening its routes as well.

 

I don't know if the N21/27 connection is planned or is a coincidence.

 

The N21 would be cut to run during rush hours only, so there wouldn't be any interlining on Saturday.

 

I'm too lazy to check. Do they have the N27-N20 connection on the timetable as well (for N21 riders)?

The N21 would be cut to run during rush hours only, so there wouldn't be any interlining on Saturday.

 

I'm too lazy to check. Do they have the N27-N20 connection on the timetable as well (for N21 riders)?

The only connecting service on the N27 timetable is with N23 because N23 is a continuation of former N27 service.

Right, they don't mention any timed connections between the N20 and N27 at all, though they're scheduled to connect.

Looking at the schedules, during the hours that the currently N21 runs on they have eastbound N20's scheduled to arrive at Glen Cove Road about 10 mins before the N27 to Glen Cove on Weekdays and Saturdays. On Sunday's it's 5 mins.

South-westbound on Saturdays they have Roslyn LIRR Bound N27s' Scheduled to get to Northern Blvd 6 mins before the N20 to Flushing, Sundays and weekdays its 4 mins.

I hear Nassau is having another Fiscal emergency

I think it should be sticky'ed for reference. Its actually not a tedious contract to read and it's interesting.

http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/documents/584-11pt1.pdf

There it is.

Look at the column headings for Saturday and Sunday. You'll see that the M-F don't match. M-F has Arrive Roslyn on BOTH sides of the Y/N.

 

Below is cut and paste from my message to NICE:

 

I found more typos but not as serious. Look at the N23 and N27 schedules The arrival time at Roslyn for the northbound N23 in the N23 schedule should be the same arrival time for the northbound N23 in the N27 schedule. The N23 shows arrival time at Roslyn at :00 and :30 but the N27 shows arrival time at Roslyn at :59 and :29. They're only off one minute but they should be the same times.

 

Saturday and Sunday schedules look OK in terms of no typos. However, in terms of the Saturday schedule, there is no connection from the southbound N27 to the northbound N23. On other days, you can make a Glen Cove to Manhorhaven connection at Roslyn.

Ah I see some of those issues now.

I don't believe there is supposed to be an intentional connection between the southbound N27 and northbound N23, only in the same direction.

Is anyone going to try the N23/N27 hybrid route just to see how it works?

There are typos in the N27 schedule and on Saturdays, Glen Cove passengers miss the connecting N23 to Port Washington and points north. I wrote to NICE. I expect the internet version of the schedules to be corrected. I don't know if it's too late to correct the paper timetables. NICE hasn't indicated what's going to be done about the missing Saturday connection, which isn't a typo but a planning problem.

Which typos are you referring to? Also, I don't see a missing connection to or from the N23 on Saturday.

http://www.nicebus.com/Maps_and_Schedules/Route_Information/index.html

 

"It is with a great sense of pride that we take on this opportunity to operate your transit system. Our goal is to be transparent and honest at every turn. The benefit to passengers is that our proposed service adjustments are less than one quarter of MTA's proposal. And we have included many improvements that passengers will appreciate."

 

Michael Setzer,

CEO, NICE

 

How come the news never reports stuff like that? haha

N43 is non stop from RFM to HTC. That's what happens in change of lost service on the n16.The n23/n27 should be combined in one, since I don't see the point ofThe N23 to be onBoth n23 and n27 schedules.

I believe the Non-stop run on the N43 is to make the travel time to NCC very close to the N16 and N35. The move makes sense because it uses existing capacity on on the N43 which already travels through the campus. From an efficiency standpoint it makes sense.

The N23/N27 schedules are fine the way they are. Both of them entirely on one schedule would be too much of a mess. The N27 schedule informs them if and which N23 they'll be connecting to/from and its time points.

Another Article:

Newsday: Lawmaker seeks hearing on NICE Bus cuts

He just wants attention

Have you checked the new schedules and how to get home using the N43/16/35? and which one gets you to a N32 in a reasonable time?

True they may sound biased, but I don't think I've seen a Mocker segment that has not been biased against the .

 

All I'm saying is these journalists see people are upset about cuts/adjustments and stir the pot so people tune in to watch them, they continue the hysteria so they can be sure they have a segment on the air every night.

 

What about informing the public who is upset about these servic cuts that there is no money to keep service as it is, and they are actually going to be getting more with less from NICE over the . I wonder how much of the general public know that, because it seems the news we here is "omg NICE cutting/changing service, tune in at 11 so I still have a job." lol

Precisely! This is why NICE said "we'll tell you the details at the Community Meeting"

The first N22 I was on that broke down was an Orion V, the one we saw at Hillside and Marcus was a wrapped Orion VII and the bus I was on when it broke down at Jamaica was also an Orion VII, both 18xx, I don't remember exact numbers.

Are Orion's crap?

*coughN8081cough*

 

 

 

 

 

I've thought of every alternative and more likely than not tried it, and I found that the 31/32 and 6 take a similar amount of time to reach their transfer points to the 25, but the wait for the 25 coming down (as opposed to going up) is godawful. The N43 and anything involving Freeport are out of the question because that's another 20-30 minutes to a trip which takes an hour and a half as is. At least before, if I had missed the 2:32, the 2:52 was always there. Now if I miss the 2:40 I have to fight just to stay awake and their smart idea to reduce the afternoon headways to 20 minutes from 15 will only create more crowded buses.

We all know that Veolia had "problems" when trying to make changes to the N80/N81 and we all know why. We also know that if more adjustments need to be made the N81/N81 will not be spared/omitted.

I've been on the N32 many times between Lynbrook and Hempstead, it was RARE that I had to stand on the bus. The public must realize that filled seat's are not a "problem" nor is it "crowded".

Have you tried the N22/N24 to the N25?

Well of course you know it's because they're using the old Orion V's with the orange and blue stripes, they have always had breakdown problems. I heard it was because of LIB's maintenance and that the more break-downs they got, the more grant money they received.

With the new bus delivery they'll retire the O5's.

When I forst saw mocker, I liked him, yea standing up against the ridiculous crap. & more importantly questioning it and not just accepting the answers we are force fed.

 

But now he just seems to pick petty shit arguments or "points" just to get people to watch.

 

"People are already complaining that service will be cut, or adjusted..." Really Mocker? Maybe a private company is supposed to foot the bill to keep service as it is, that the County, State, or Federal governments will not pay for! How about informing the "upset" public that they are still better off than the "skeleton system" the wanted to run for more money!

 

This is Journalism!?! Mocker could have asked any question BUT instead asked an objective question (not even on topic) to stir the pot and hope to get "upset" viewers to tune in!

I agree with your thoughts on Mocker. As for the section I bolded, why is it that the Media doesn't actually inform the public with facts such as that? Would they not seem "neutral", would it sound "opinionated"?

Mangano knows nothing, Veolia knows nothing, or they both know something but ran the cuts due to politics because of dysfunctional Mangano and Schmitt, SMH!!!

It's simple, running light buses is not conducive to maintaining the budget.

I'm still baffled as to why I don't get transfers from the N31 when I get them from the N32 just fine and why they reduced the headways. I always end up in Hempstead just minutes after that N32 leaves at 2:40 PM, and I'm forced to either take the N6 or wait 30 minutes in the middle of the ghetto, with few places to sit. Before, the headways went to 20 minutes after 2:12 so there was a 2:32 bus and a 2:52 bus. As I've said before, I wish a swift ****kick to the geniuses who thought of that.

 

 

I tried taking the N6 again. While the Orion V I got on had an empty seat and the bus operator got to NHP Road on time, I had to wait another 25 minutes for the N25.

When the buses were on 20 min headways how full were they? Also, do you reverse engineer your trips? Use the schedules to plan your trips out and and see which routes have you wait the least amount of time, etc.

Vote urged on proposed NICE Bus cuts

The "riders union" needs to realize this is what's best for riders. Adjusting service to the budget now is better than waiting until the deficit huge then drastically start cutting routes like the MTA likes to do.

These service adjustments may also increase ridership while saving money. If the system has a surplus this can hold down fares for a longer period of time, and/or let Veolia do capital improvements such as experimenting with new services/routes, etc.

Anyone who's interested, Mocker said he'll have a report on the privatization of Long Island Bus on tonight at 10 on PIX 11. Can only wonder what information we already know he'll point out.

Lame, he asked Mangano if "Privitization is working for the bus Contract?".

Mangano said its going well or something like that.

Then Mocker says "The riders are already upset about the service adjustments".

Mangano then says: "There are actually less adjustments then were required contractually by law". The report was about Parking Meters, and Nassau outsourcing some services.

What Mangano said was true, the contract gave Veolia to cut a certain amount of routes in the first 6 months (or something?) I think this is it: http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/documents/584-11pt1.pdf

It appears that everyone who says that 'this and that said that there will be no service changes for a year" is talking out of their arse. The contract clearly states :

"Veolia shal begin to operate and maintain the Transit System on January 1, 2012 and by April 1, 2012 implement a route and service network adjusted to the available Federal, State, and County resources budgeted for the Transit System"

Oh and here is the thing I mentioned above:

"during the first two quarters after the Commencement Date, up to six routes may be eliminated if such service is duplicative in that the majority of passengers on such route have access to another route within one mile."

Hmm, no routes were "FULLY" eliminated .but under those terms

1-the N22/N24/N78/N79 are duplicative between Mineola and RFM.

2-The N21/N23/N27 are "duplicative".

3-N48 on Sat

4-N51 on Sat

5-N45 on sat

6-N74 on sat

And, since they have the first two quaters and those aren't full eliminations, they probably have more room to work with for early July service adjustments. Every quarter and annually they have to view the budget and make sure service is inline with the budget.

The budget year starts April 1st and ends March 31'st. So basically look out for adjustments Early April, July, October and January, if necessary. Which is not too different from any agencies "new picks". LIB's adjustments tended to be End March, June, September and Early Jan/end Dec.

But the problem is that it's at the expense of the local passengers.

 

Instead of having a local every 8-10 minutes and an express every 10 minutes, what they should've done was have a local every 15 minutes, a limited every 15 minutes, and an express every 15 minutes. At least the problem of crushloaded locals vs. relatively empty expresses wouldn't occur, and it would cost roughly the same amount of money.

They're doing something like that with the N22.

Most of the crowding on the N6 are from those going from the Subway to Hempstead. In between those points there are passengers that get on and off but not enough to fill a bus to the crush loads that are present today. (side anecdote:The N6 was not packed during the NYCT strike.)

If the majority of those thru-riders are on their "own bus" out of the way, the locals then have room to pick everyone up and handle the turn over of passengers, and because the buses shouldn't be crush loaded, dwell times should decrease. Now, because there are no stops between 179th and Westminster Road, that speeds up the trip and entices riders to choose the Express It's going to attract riders from other routes and the N31.N32, N15 etc that could take the N4 or N22 instead (the N22X is reverse peak direction). so that may increase ridership. And so, with those people out of the way, the bus Local can pick up riders all the way through to the Queens Border going west and all the way through Hempstead going east. Much less flagging (during rush hour). I mean, I've seen people at Springfield Blvd get flagged, by multiple buses!

Also, by going only as far as 179th street, the bus can swing around and do another trip to Hempstead rather quickly. It's basically a money-saving quick people mover. Less running time, no time wasted going to the Terminal, moving large amounts of people quickly, while improving service, making passengers happy (perhaps not some Limited customers), and speeding up their commutes.

Initially I didn't like the idea of the Limited being replaced, but I can respect the premise. Having each service (N6/L/X)every 15 mins with it's known bunching problems would not bode well.

I see from the N6 and N70/N1/72 schedules they time their buses smartly. With the N6 they time the N6X to come first after a gap. So the waiting passengers build up then the first choice they get is the Express. then a few mins later the Local comes.

With he N70/1/2 they're evenly spaced along the trunk. But westbound, they're timed at Route 110 for there to be a gap in service, with the first westbound bus being a N70 followed a lil bit later by a 72. This way the most empty bus will arrive and pick up the waiting passengers and those along the way, then the N72 behind it with passengers already on from Babylon can pick up the residuals.

And its always an 1800 hurt, isn't it?

 

 

I don't think much will change. NICE is probably still stressing the drivers with making many runs.

It does always seem to be an 1800.

They're probably squeezing out a lot of runs with the N6X. They save time by having no stops between 179th st and Westminster Rd, and it short turns at 179th street. One round trip will be like the length(time wise) of one local trip. Also, being that they're express, they don't have to worry about time points and can go as fast as they want,

Ah, ok.

Is that fast?

The Schedule says it should take 8 mins from Westminster Rd to NHP road, so that how fast it "should" take.

Well I think there will be more 6xs then 22xs so I think they would go for the 6x unless they need to go to the bus terminal which only the 22x will go to.

Makes sense. BTW the last couple of N6X's in the evening will go to the 165th st terminal

Correct many people take the 6 from the 16 but which is faster that or going to the Mall for the 22 to Jamaica? I didn't mention 24 BTW cause it takes too long during the rush.

I wonder what will be faster for them, the N6X or the N22X

They have the new schedules printed?

lol I was just joking.

Is it possible that the shortage of drivers is just until April 8th since they will be using less buses then?

It seems that the big hoopla is over now and commuters are getting used to it. And perhaps some are learning the subway more extensively, as they should.

I found this information on bus bay assignments: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks_Hempstead_Transit_Center :cool:

Nice find! Since they appear to put similar destinations together, the N43 would have to go next to the N16 or N35, or use their slots, they're all on 30 min headways anyway.

too much service to NCC 640 am a 16 and 43 leave at the same time from RF.

Early birds can study at the library . Maybe those runs are to get people to the Babylon Branch LIRR Stations?