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Not all that many changes. Timetable ends April 8.

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I went down the station with my friend and a 96 Street-bound had just pulled out. Then 3 more came. Then a Brooklyn-bound came barreling down honking the horn and skipped our stop. some 5~10 minutes later, another came and made the stop.

 

It was not immediately following the battery train.

Oh it was skipping going downtown. Probably because the downtown gap in service was so large it had to catch up.

With all the testing they've been doing the past few months how come the automated announcements weren't ready?

Also, the announcement at Lex/63rd st hasn't been modified. They should single out the transfer then announce the "free" walking transfer.

Battery runs on the skipping the busiest station on the line? What idiot thought that was gonna be a good idea?

It probably make more sense to skip 72nd, so that a train can immediately follow and stop at 72nd

What about the columns?

Do you think a lot of out of system walking transfers will be made between 86th/Lex & 86/2nd? Perhaps for those continuing north from along the Q route or from Queens via the ?

Also, could phase 2 open in sections, if the most time consuming part will be the curve onto and the station on 125th, could they just open the 106th and 116th stations as they're done?

Plus they could still use M15SBS service for full length 2Av and 1Av doesn't take too long.

Has anyone noticed if a lot of people have been transferring to/from the M15SBS to/from say 96th st?

The second AV is doing really well! The is not as crowded but still crowded. But the and is still crowded. I think a lot of its ridership comes from the Bronx. I was on a train that was packed until Burnside Av

Isn't it! It's really interesting to see quick adoption so far. Yes, lot of ridership on the is from the Bronx, they don't want to sit through local stops through Manhattan, their ride is long enough, especially since most lines are all local in the Bronx.

What if their origin/destination was up by Columbus Circle, and 53rd & 7th is the easiest stop to get them into Queens? It's easier to just let them walk over to 57th & 6th if that's easier. (And it's easier than getting people to take the one stop to Lex/63rd)

Most people don't even check for re-routings before they enter the subway anyway. They might as well just take the to Rockefeller center and cross over for the or rerouted , or walk to 57th & 7th for the

3rd Avenue South of 60th st....

 

The connections are much better with other train lines and I think this alignment would take an unbelievable amount of pressure off the Lex line as you'd have a transfer at 149th st , 59th st , 51 st , 42nd St (4,5,6), Astor Place , Fulton st (4 and 5).

 

So you'd have a TRUE relief line. This is how I would do it.

 

 

Maybe....but the point of this topic was how I would design it.

Having connections at quite literally every stop is way too redundant, only at major hubs i would say 125th and 42nd. The cost of building connections at stops are gonna add up.

 

 

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I agree, the only relief the Lex needs is at 125th and 42nd. However, with regards to Phase 1 and 2, 125th is good enough. Many people on the Upper East side used the Lex because it was the only line, the 2nd Ave line is relieving that need, and an extension to 125 would help Bronx riders bypass the Lex all the way downtown and Metro North riders access the East Side while avoiding Grand Central.

The bypasses Grand Central but that can be accessed by the at Times Square.

• Offers Connections to virtually all lines except for the
• It cuts over to the west side Reducing # of transfers
• It stops at Times Square
• It stops at Herald Square
• It stops at Union Square
• It stops at Canal St where there are connections to the   for access further Downtown
• It goes to Brooklyn
• It stops at Atlantic Center/Barclay Center
• It goes straight to the Beach @ Coney Island

Essentially the Lex is no longer necessary for them unless they're trying to access the M60 at 125th Street.

Actually, if they could reduce the number of trains needed, that could reduce train traffic delays.

You can now go from the two newest terminals Hudson yards & 96th st with one transfer, and it may take like 15-20 mins total.

I heard the amount of crowding on the Lexington Av line during the rush hour was reduced since the Second Av line on the is open

People on the Upper east side are avoiding Lex like the plague, the trains be packed. Not to mention they're IND/BMT spec, so they hold more people.

I used the to 86th street about an hour ago and the train was packed from Times Square, a swarm of people got off at 72nd St and a little less at 86th.

I presume the system that feeds the clocks also gives information to the dispatchers, kind of like ATS. I would be shocked if it did not. 

 

That said, I doubt the "smart reroute" has a lot of viability. 

 

Sure, you could have the rerouted E skip 57th st because it doesn't normally stop there, but what about the passenger that was trying to go to 7av? If the train is rerouted via a line, it should make the stops on that line. Skipping the station, I don't think it would save all that much time, and the level of confusion it would cause seems not with it. 

Those going to 7th Ave could wait at Rockefeller center for the or

Has the 2nd Ave line affected the M15?

He's apparently talking about it connecting at 125th street.  There needs to be more focus on Crosstown connections because there are a lot of people backtracking to avoid dealing with traveling crosstown in Upper Manhattan, which can be a royal pain.  Hilly and/or crappy bus service.  125th has a ton of buses that can be useless, and getting from say Lex to the is no easy task.  

The Bus lanes help a lot, I use the M60 on 125th st frequently.

Going from downtown to Queens in the middle of all this I saw

 

via 63rd

via 63rd

via 6 ave

via 6 ave Exp

 

6 ave local and 53rd street was a complete conga line

Can they do "smart" service changes to increase the capacity of the line? For example, All 4 lines were running on 63rd. Could they have sent an to bypass 57th Street and Roosevelt Ave since it doesn't normally stop there, but stop at 21st Queensbridge because it's not far from Queens Plaza?  

Or send the and super express from Lexington Ave 63rd st to Roosevelt Ave, and let the go local behind them?

Were any trains sent via crosstown?

And there were switch delays earlier and an investigation at Lexington 59th street which caused trains to run via 2nd Ave and the via 63rd street. The was completely messed up.

63rd street was busy today. During the investigation at Lexington Ave/59th street, there was an investigation at Queens Plaza which had and trains go via 63rd Street. I saw the running on 6th Ave in both directions, probably to mitigate 63rd street switch delays, and to segregate the 2nd Ave conga delays.

Now they're saying due to an investigation at Queens plaza and are running over the line to Queens.

So all Queens blvd lines are running over 63rd st? Lol

I caught a train on the 6th Ave express uptown. The is conga lined.

Edit: wrong thread

Damn thing just opened. What the hell signal problems are there? 

Around the Horn said:

One of the signals near the crossover north of 72nd Street was acting up earlier.

They can take the to 63rd, walk a total of twenty feet across the platform, and get on an to Rockefeller.

 

People don't wait around for infrequent variations in service. No one waits for the to 179; no one waits for the odd Brooklyn IRT train that goes to the wrong terminal.

I see people in the morning at 179th street that specifically wait for the special trains.

Pardon my terrible screen cap abilities, but here is the Sunday times between 10:30 and 11 for those interested...

 

And could you make the blurb any wordier?

I guess the one going to 2nd will have it on display? I'll probably take the to Lex for an easy transfer.

I guess whoever wrote this was instructed to make the route as detailed as possible as it pertains to the new 2nd Avenue line. It is incredibly verbose when compared to other lines with similar service patterns though.

This is so that new users, and those who live on the Upper East Side will be familiar with where the goes. Many riders know only the routes they live on or need to use for commuting.  Also, it looks like it's designed to entice riders to choose the over the if it isn't absolutely necessary.

Do you think the first revenue train up 2nd Ave will be packed?