N6 Limited

Without notice, additional cuts have been added:

 

 

http://www.nicebus.com/Passenger-Information/Schedule-Changes.aspx

Wow

The n48 no longer going to the Quad will surprise absolutely no one. I also believe that n27 weekend cut was discussed at the meeting with the public, but never listed on the website until now.

 

As for the other three:

-The n1 being cut on weekends is not good, to say the least. There is absolutely no other bus service in most of Elmont and Valley Stream, and both areas have sizable populations of lower-income folks. They're going to need to walk either to Hempstead Turnpike or Merrick Road for service.

 

-The n16 being eliminated on Saturdays at first seemed very alarming, but in all reality, it isn't inexcusable. While the n1 has few alternates, the n16 has lots of redundancies. The n35 runs twice as often on Saturdays (as of now - not sure how the frequencies will be once April rolls around), and effectively serves most of the same destinations from the Southern State northwards (though between the Southern State and Hempstead terminal, it's a few blocks away in a not-so-great area). The n15 also provides service to/from Rockville Centre as well. The real losers here are those whom live south of the Southern State and north of Lakeview Avenue, as well as those who work at Mercy Medical on Saturdays and walk to/from the n16 (though I'm not sure how many people do this).

 

-The n33 being eliminated on Sundays is... an odd one. The n33 certainly doesn't get great ridership from what I am aware of, but it's a reasonably short route and fills in a very important gap in the network. Without the n33, a person whom wants to go from Far Rockaway to Long Beach will have to go up to Lynbrook on the n32, transfer to the n4, and then board the n15, or they can fork over a few extra dollars for the train from Lynbrook to Long Beach. I'd personally keep service on this route on Sundays, but end it at the Long Beach city line and time trips to connect with Long Beach Bus service.

Or they'd have to take the n N32 to Hempstead and transfer to the N15

The n16 was always a weekday route for the NCC students and the people the heading towards DSS to take, which is why I'm not surprised that Saturday Service on the route is going to be cut. The riders heading towards Roosevelt Field just don't want to put up with the indirect route around Mitchel Field, and the loop around the college just to get to the Mall. By the time the n16 arrives that Roosvelt Field, the n15, n35, and 27 have already left the the Ring Road.

 

I do wonder what took NICE so long to notice that weekend ridership on the n1 has been anemic. Without the extension into Jamaica, it's hardly useful as a North-South inter Nassau route.

N1 ridership is fair on the weekends. Riders also use it to get to the Mall. Maybe the bus routing is the issue as it gets stuck in traffic leaving the mall by Best Buy/Walmart.

The Transit App has a Yellow line extending past 71st Ave to 179th Street on the QB line. Is the MTA planning to extend the ?

"On January 3, 2017, the handful of N trains that short-turned at 57th Street–Seventh Avenue during rush hours were extended to 96th Street using the Second Avenue Subway."

 

You're wrong.

What  happened to those trains?

I believe someone mentioned they were waiting for this service change to happen.

 

Well, here's a picture.

 

 

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Yeah, got totally f**ked over by the delay today. Tons of people waiting at 96th without any announcements, only on the digital readout. And had to walk to Lexington in pouring rain...

The must have been PACKED.  I wonder if they get two trains in a row to get to 96th do they send  one empty to 72nd and have a train make all stops behind it? or  do they have it pick up at 96th an 86th and bypass 72nd to have an empty train behind it, or just let the trains be stuffed  on the way to Lexington/63rd?

The buses can't enter the terminal, so they will be making stops on Jackson St in Hempstead, and Merrick Blvd in Jamaica. They didn't say which villages are opposed to the bus lanes.

Why can't they enter the terminal?

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7112218,-73.6240792,139m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

The bus lay over area and that one thru- bay loading is perfect? 

According to NICE on their Facebook page, the articulated buses will pick up/drop off outside of the Terminals at DOT approved stops.  On an related note, they also said that the villages in Nassau are opposed to bus lanes and signal prioritization for BRT.

Doesn't the Hempstead Bus Terminal have a stop for articulated buses? Or do they not want people walking in front of buses to get to that stop?

Which villages are opposed to bus lanes? Off the top of my head I'd say maybe Hempstead Turnpike (n6) and Northern Blvd(n20G/H) may need one?

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How'd I do there?

Intreresting.

How much would it cost to extend the train to Jamaica anyway?

I wonder how they'll be written into the schedule, or will they just be put out there as a regular bus.

There's no way that the n6 will have 20 minute frequencies (or even less) outside of late nights. 12-minute frequencies are likely, as they fall below the threshold of the 25% reduction in service required for presentation in front of the Committee (12-minute frequencies are roughly a 20% reduction).

We were talking about N6x. Wouldn't it be interesting if the artics are just used for standby if a bus breaks down? lol

Right, but I'm just saying that 5 artics won't cover all of the n6x trips, which he's inquiring about. That would be a little extreme.

 

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It might If they reduce headways to 20 mins

What exactly are they doing on 6th Ave over these past few weekends? It's interesting that the 2 week Fast Track coincided with two of the weekends.

Meaning that on April 9th, they'll only be running on the n6 and not the n4?

Correct, they only have 5 artics. It wouldn't make since to split their use, especially since the N6 has the most passengers by far.

They might, except for the n22X. I'm thinking it's more likely for the n6 or n6X than the n4 or n4X. The n6/X is probably the most overcrowded route.

 

 

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Nice said the artics will be running on the N6

Too bad nobody like the cabs in Nassau. It's getting to the point that folks would prefer Uber operating in Nassau to All Island Taxi.

That's because the prices are crazy. it's like $20 to go two towns over.

I found this article, though I wonder where the 7 million of the county's undesignated fund is coming from.

http://liherald.com/stories/NICE-to-cut-reduce-routes,88140

They show the N6 in the pic with a caption "The Elmont Flexi of the Nassau Inter-County Express is one line among several routes expected to be reduced because of budget constraints."

The Elmont Flexi line, which transports residents back and forth from Green Acres Mall along Hempstead Turnpike, is one of the lines that could see reduced service - from a bus every half-hour to one every hour -- in both the morning and afternoon.

 

Inaccurate

Interesting... 

 

My only concern with this, is how the wheel rotations (which trigger the announcements) would be calibrated. 

Some of the announcements have been off lately, announcing stations late or early, even when the conductor resets it in the station

Is the going Express on Broadway?

Do you remember anything of the old N2 and N3 when they followed the N1 and N6 to Jamaica during the rush?

The N2 and N3 were useful.  If you were flagged by the N1 or N6 you could always get on the N2 or N3, they usually had room available. Sometimes they'd have a full seated load especially the N2(which had standees at times). The N3 wasn't as full most of the time.

I just found two schedules Effective June 22, 2003:

The N2 had 6 trips to Jamaica in the Morning, 5 from Jamaica in the evening.

Starting at N Fletcher Ave and VS State Park Entrance:

6:14 Arrived at Jamaica Bus Terminal at 6:50

6:26 Arrived at Jamaica Bus Terminal at 7:04

6:47 Arrived at Jamaica Bus Terminal at 7:25

7:01 Arrived at Jamaica Bus Terminal at 7:39

7:19 Arrived at Jamaica Bus Terminal at 7:59

7:42 Arrived at Jamaica Bus Terminal at 8:22 

From Jamaica to Valley Stream:

4:51 Arrived in Valley Stream at  5:30

5:25 Arrived in Valley Stream at  6:04

5:58 Arrived in Valley Stream at  6:36

6:20 Arrived in Valley Stream at  6:58

6:52 Arrived in Valley Stream at  7:29

The N3 had 3 runs to Jamaica in the Morning, 3 runs from Jamaica in the evening.

Starting in Malverne at Franklin Ave & Hempstead Ave:

6:18  Arrived at Jamaica Bus Terminal at 7:01

6:46  Arrived at Jamaica Bus Terminal at 7:29

7:16  Arrived at Jamaica Bus Terminal at 8:02

Malverne bound N3 from Jamaica Bus Terminal:

5:21 Arrived in Malverne at  6:08

5:55 Arrived in Malverne at  6:42

6:27 Arrived in Malverne at  7:13

Many times the Westbound N1 is able to pick up people west of Elmont Road that get flagged by packed N6 buses.  There are mornings where people have been flagged by Jamaica bound N1 and N6 buses. They may consider cutting peak N1 service when Artics go into service though

I have a question about Canal St on the Nassau Line. The Southbound Tracks & platform are being used for service in both directions, and the northbound tracks are decommissioned or whatever, but on the street level there is no evidence of an entrance to the northbound platform, where was the entrance?

The train would be better if it went to cars every 5 min mins.

I wonder if the Artics are in preparation for 15 min headway on the N6.

I wonder if the Artics are in preparation for 15 min headway on the N6.

Yesterday, I took 3pm n62 Freeport Shuttle and it was EMPTY. I was only one and B/O told me n62 gets busy around 5pm.

I think PM trip should begin at 5:00pm.

Maybe n62 could be extended down to Woodcliff Av.

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The funny thing is if they try to do what you've suggested the LIBRU might come out complaining about service cuts

I find it interesting that because I know the track layout of the subway, when I see a "lost train" on a different trunk route it doesn't utterly confuse me like it does other riders and I have an Idea where it's going, and where it'll change trunk lines , etc.

Last week there were trains running on 6th Ave and I knew where it came from and that it was probably going over the line to Dekalb, but other people were just staring at the train like