N6 Limited

They still have no idea what they're doing with the ? 

I thought the plan was to have the run to Broadway Junction?

What does "Select Bus Service" even mean? How did the MTA come up with that?

Not this merry-go-round again.

The neighborhood can go without a park for a blip in time for a new subway line,  I mean really. 

But they shouldn't have to destroy any buildings:

I just saw a sign for the artics at Hempstead Transit Center. They will be departing at Jackson starting at 4:15am to 7:30pm. Some runs will be express.

I wonder if they went by the APC's and decided to put out the Artics for the most full runs.

 Even better if the MTA had a cross platform transfer.

Yeah the shallow option allows for that, they just have to flank the existing station with tracks

As for Grand Street, the MTA should just dig up Chrystie Street, put the tracks down and get it out of the way.

I'd like to see an actual estimated cost difference between building the current version of Phase II and sending it up to 149th Street & Third Avenue. Surely the must have studied this option.

 

 

Especially since 'The Hub' is already an established center of activity, which itself validates the need for another subway line, connections aside. Maybe if the neighborhood were pumped and trumped up even more, it would catch more serious attention from the .

 

If Phase II does get built as currently planned, I hope they at least come around to building tail tracks on Second Avenue. We'll have both the and the services, so one can go to 125th Street and the other can go to 149th Street.

That may allow better service, since there are two terminals in case there is an issue at one of the terminals, and also with each train going to separate terminals it minimizes delays and conga lines.

Nice, the signs should show more than the next 2 trains. 

There were two proposals for a Staten Island Tunnel, both of which used the BMT Fourth Ave Line. The northern route diverges from the BMT Fourth Ave Line local tracks south of 59 St and would have run to Tompkinsville. An incomplete tunnel still exists today. The southern route would be an extension of the BMT line to Grasmere via the ROW currently occupied by the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge. The BMT 4th Ave line tracks were extended from 86 St to a temporary terminal at 95 St, and it's assumed that the express tracks would have been extended south from 59 St along the east side of 4 Ave.

 

The most likely pattern is simply extending the local tracks to Staten Island, making the services along the BMT 4 Ave

• unchanged
• unchanged
• extended to SI
• extended to SI

Staten Island via the Culver line is too circuitous compared to the BMT line, so it was never considered.

I think the 2nd Subway plans had a Fort Hamilton Parkway line to Staten Island.

i think he is basing it off the old proposal that had the tunnel split off at 59th street the other one through 95th is more simple to build plus the SIR will have a lot of work for integration with the subway 

Correct, I remember a plan with a turn off south of 59th Street. In the case that they'd have to work on the SIRit's possible that they could build a line to a terminal transfer station with the SIR as a cost saving measure. But not as a big intermodal station, but like a quick platform to platform transfer.

If the MTA is gonna throw away money this often, the Q70 might as well be sold to PANYNJ and the Q70 uses their shuttle buses on the route.

If they're getting free transfers to the subway anyway, then what money are they throwing away?

Supposedly express. Their wording is vague.

 

Should be for both honestly.

 

(I'm still not riding that n6, Hempstead Turnpike can be a nightmare)

Hempstead Turnpike used to be fine, but all of the out of sync signals has turned it into a NYC thoroughfare.

Just n6 for now. Changes for these artics are subject to ridership levels.

 

 

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Will it be for the local and/or the express?

I'm noticing some discrepancies. For instance, the n58 that leaves Great Neck at 21:00 weekdays is not in the GTFS.

Are the artics noted on the GTFS?

If Subway went to Staten Island how would they have handled it with today's service patterns?

If they used the turn out from the 4th Ave line, the or the would have to be local because they'd probably send a route to Staten Island via 4th Ave Express.

If they extended a Fort Hamilton Parkway line from the Culver line, where would it have branched off? and what service could they have used. Would the have gone to Staten Island and the to Coney Island?

Does NICE release the Passenger Counter data to the public? It would be interesting to see  ridership patterns and loss, N6 is only full during rush hour basically, it used to be full ALL DAY.

So if they're closing RVC, and they need to increase bus service in the future, how could they do it if the RVC property is sold? Would changing the fleet to mostly artics work? Would would a bunch of artics be too much for Mitchel Field?

The April Service cuts don't look too bad in comparison to the ones in the past. The n70 actually gained more service on Weekdays at the expense of the n72, which is reduced to a weeknight and weekend route. Somewhere down the line they have to get rid of that number and just call the Conklin/110 short turns the n70 for the sake of simplicity.  The schedule is actually easier to read without the time points for Newsday and Babylon Trips, and calling the Rt110 short turns the n70 would lessen the confusion more. Even with more funding, I can't imagine the n72 ever going back to running to Babylon.

If all N70s go to Suny Farmingdale and all N72s are short turns at RT110 that's pretty straight forward.

Was the B44 slammed?

Perhaps since NICE seems to have discovered warping technology, perhaps they could sell that off and use it to fill the budget gap?

It would be cool if they implement it on the Queens/Nassau Routes. Warp from the county Line to the Subway Station, they'd see a big increase in ridership, lol.

N70/71/72: Basically, SUNY Farmingdale got an increase in service, and the N72 route number is only used for RT110 short turns. 

N6: No clear indication of when the artics will be running.

An addition to the above, because NICE is really underfunded:

 

n21: Midday service on weekdays is discontinued

 

n24: 10:15 PM bus from Jamaica weekday extended to Hicksville, will teleport to Mineola Intermodel Terminal once bus reaches Jericho Turnpike & Nassau Boulevard at 10:46 PM. Arrives Hicksville at 11:10 PM.

 

n55: All westbound buses after 11:00 AM will time warp at Uniondale, and then proceed to HTC. Forget the car, forget the LIRR, here are new sample running times from Sunrise Mall to HTC:

11:49 AM trip: 28 minutes

2:49 PM trip:  4 minutes

5:34 PM trip: 10 minutes

8:38 PM trip:  -27 minutes

10:32 PM trip: -80 minutes.

LOL! I had to see that for myself. Looks like there needs to be a "v4" PDF

I saw an Artic on Hempstead Turnpike today heading eastbound in Elmont. Must be training B\Os on the actual route now.

The programs are being updated to remove the scrolling effect from the signs. As always, it's a slow process.

How long does it take to update the R160's? Could they just have someone stationed at terminals updating trains as they come in?

One Local Station

I can confirm that. At Jackson Heights–Roosevelt Avenue, when such an announcement is made, the express train usually comes around 2 minutes later.

Thanks

When the station announcements say "there is an express train one station away" does that mean one local station or one express station?

Speaking of N20G/H , how are those routes doing? Has the N20G improved Flushing-Great Neck service?

Without notice, additional cuts have been added:

 

 

http://www.nicebus.com/Passenger-Information/Schedule-Changes.aspx

Wow

The n48 no longer going to the Quad will surprise absolutely no one. I also believe that n27 weekend cut was discussed at the meeting with the public, but never listed on the website until now.

 

As for the other three:

-The n1 being cut on weekends is not good, to say the least. There is absolutely no other bus service in most of Elmont and Valley Stream, and both areas have sizable populations of lower-income folks. They're going to need to walk either to Hempstead Turnpike or Merrick Road for service.

 

-The n16 being eliminated on Saturdays at first seemed very alarming, but in all reality, it isn't inexcusable. While the n1 has few alternates, the n16 has lots of redundancies. The n35 runs twice as often on Saturdays (as of now - not sure how the frequencies will be once April rolls around), and effectively serves most of the same destinations from the Southern State northwards (though between the Southern State and Hempstead terminal, it's a few blocks away in a not-so-great area). The n15 also provides service to/from Rockville Centre as well. The real losers here are those whom live south of the Southern State and north of Lakeview Avenue, as well as those who work at Mercy Medical on Saturdays and walk to/from the n16 (though I'm not sure how many people do this).

 

-The n33 being eliminated on Sundays is... an odd one. The n33 certainly doesn't get great ridership from what I am aware of, but it's a reasonably short route and fills in a very important gap in the network. Without the n33, a person whom wants to go from Far Rockaway to Long Beach will have to go up to Lynbrook on the n32, transfer to the n4, and then board the n15, or they can fork over a few extra dollars for the train from Lynbrook to Long Beach. I'd personally keep service on this route on Sundays, but end it at the Long Beach city line and time trips to connect with Long Beach Bus service.

Or they'd have to take the n N32 to Hempstead and transfer to the N15

The n16 was always a weekday route for the NCC students and the people the heading towards DSS to take, which is why I'm not surprised that Saturday Service on the route is going to be cut. The riders heading towards Roosevelt Field just don't want to put up with the indirect route around Mitchel Field, and the loop around the college just to get to the Mall. By the time the n16 arrives that Roosvelt Field, the n15, n35, and 27 have already left the the Ring Road.

 

I do wonder what took NICE so long to notice that weekend ridership on the n1 has been anemic. Without the extension into Jamaica, it's hardly useful as a North-South inter Nassau route.

N1 ridership is fair on the weekends. Riders also use it to get to the Mall. Maybe the bus routing is the issue as it gets stuck in traffic leaving the mall by Best Buy/Walmart.