N6 Limited

Some people you just can't help. (maybe this belongs in the subway stories thread) 

This guy asked me if the train was going to Jamaica, I said yes, so he boarded. He told me he was trying to go to Long Island,  so I asked him if he's needs the LIRR or the N4?  He said N4, so told him to stay on to Jamaica Center.

But,  I looked up and saw that the train was going to 179th street. So naturally, I thought there must be some track work or something and was going to investigate on my phone.

The guy was like "we're going the wrong way" and I said, "well the train is going to Queens..."  He jumped off at the next stop (for what? I don't  know,  the next to Jamaica Center is probably at 5am lol)  

Anyway, I checked the mta site and it says "No trains between Briarwood and Jamaica Center" there's a shuttle bus from Union Turnpike. 

Oh well. 

2 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

Sometimes the  itself bunched up itself due to earlier delays and at Forest Hills they switch crew, clean the train and check for sleeping passengers and that process can take five minutes to complete. Forest Hills isn’t a proper terminal so imagine how chaotic it is at for example 10pm if the  was ended earlier and all trains run local towards Jamaica but the  still terminates at Forest Hills. I’ve been caught up in that mess so many times and that’s a total inconvenience for everyone. 

I complain about that all the time. They should extend the to 179th or turn it at Queens plaza in those cases. 

Why is there a conga line into 71st Ave when the is on 10 min headway and the  ended early? 

Will the CBTC installation include/allow bidirectional signalling?

How will CBTC affect track maintenance? A lot of trackwork or inspections happen during mid day and late night/weekend hours with slow speed orders, how will CBTC affect this once installed? 

Phase 2 should have began construction before Phase one opened.

2 minutes ago, RR503 said:

...which means they’ll build the highest impact projects, not scenic lines via parkland to nowhere. 

A decent list of subway expansion priorities:

1. SAS

2. Queens Bypass

3. Third avenue

4. Utica/nostrand

5 RX

Note project not on that list — the RBB.

Would you like if I quoted all of my analysis past of why this is a frankly idiotic waste of money so you can read more inconvenient truths? 

The Flushing Line was built through farm land to nowhere

2. If they implement Freedom Ticket or City Zone Subway fare with smart cards then a Queens Bypass would not be necessary.

5) Rx can be merged with Third Ave (if not SAS)

3 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

I'm on the and the crowding is insane.

 

Service Change

Posted: 01/22/2018  1:59PM

and trains are running with delays in both directions.

There is no train service between Delancey St-Essex St and Forest Hills-71 Av in both directions.

trains are stopping along the line between 57 St-7 Av and 96 St in both directions.

These service changes are because of a Con Edison Loss of Power at Forest Hills-71 Av.

 

EDIT: 

Service Change

Posted: 01/22/2018  2:10PM

trains are holding in stations from Queens Plaza to Jamaica Center/Parsons-Archer in both directions.

trains are holding in stations from 21 St-Queensbridge to Jamaica-179 St in both directions.

There is no train service between Delancey St-Essex St and Forest Hills-71 Avin both directions.

trains are stopping along the  line between 57 St-7 Av and 96 St in both directions.

These service changes are because of Con Ed loss of power in Queens.

Hmm, Is the MTA doubling down after that Daily News article?

The city is having a war on vehicles and wants to implement congestion pricing, they're going to be more in favor of transit projects that reduce car trips.

7 hours ago, RestrictOnTheHanger said:

They are working on the express tracks ij both directions between 36 st and Roosevelt Ave. Not sure if that includes the small stretch between 36 st and Queens Plaza, but that is a possibility. 

Another one...

 

LOL. Understand his pain.

That's the city's fault for allowing development so close to the row. 

4 hours ago, LGA Link N train said:

I was the first one here to Introduce it, look back at page 16 where someone said that RPA was trash 

I saw their suggestion on this page for the MTA to retire diesel service vehicles, but how would they get around the system if there is no power (for like third rail replacement, flooding, etc)?

2 minutes ago, Jemorie said:

Can anyone here tell me why do people say the is busier than the that the former should run more frequently than the latter? What is it about the that makes it more attractive than the ?

I believe it's because the  connects a lot of busy locations and connects to more buses in Jamaica.

The  is the 8th Ave local (I call it the backup) many times it provides frequent service when the  are no where to be found. It connects to Penn Station and the Port Authority, then provides crosstown service to the  train.  (A couple of times I was on the WTC bound  during evening peak, the train got SUPER PACKED at Lexington Ave, (there wasn't even room to sway) and the relief happened at Port Authority and mostly Penn Station.)

In Queens it connects to the  and provides express Service between Queens Plaza (which is getting more development) and Jamaica where there are connections to the LIRR, JFK Airtrain and tons of bus routes.

The  doesn't have as many high demand destinations although 6th Ave is busy also with Rockefeller Center and Herald Square.

9 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said:

Did we debate the rpa 4th plan saying the rbb can co exist with the queensway?

P157

http://fourthplan.org/

http://lab.rpa.org/fourth-plan-queensway/

I sorta made a joke about it a little while ago. Didn't know there was an actual plan

1 hour ago, Art Vandelay said:

Actually, the Q52/Q53 are pretty damn fast. It is a stunning improvement. 

Yes. Every line has capacity outside of rush hour. But what is the point of building a connection that can't possibly be used in the peak or the shoulder? 

 

Of course it can be used, the Local tracks have capacity and it would reduce the delay into 71st Ave. In the peak of rush hour there is congestion on the Express tracks, so the people can just stay on the local and may get to their destination quicker.

1 hour ago, Coney Island Av said:

But JFK had good subway access with a slew of buses and the , plus the AirTrain. LGA doesn't have this. Why don't we extend the  over there rather than serve some folks that ain't thankful for the , plus the Q52/53 SBS. If this isn't enough, then why not increase bus service. 

The sucks 

2 hours ago, Art Vandelay said:

And for that very market... We have the Q52/Q53!

We know that NYC Bus service slow.

2 hours ago, Art Vandelay said:

Empty E and F? Are you doing a stand-up routine?

Try riding outside of rush hour

2 hours ago, Deucey said:

Except  goes to Manhattan, and Williamsburg was a cheap hood right close to Midtown. Bushwick got play because it’s next to Williamsburg.

i don’t see Ozone Park doing better because RBB gets connected to the overcapacity QBL local when that trip will take longer and have more capacity issues on the express than just riding the  through Brooklyn as has been done for almost 70 years.

RBB, if it’s reactivated, makes more sense as a Bronx to LGA to JFK crosstown LRT with spurs to Hempstead and Coney Island/Bay Ridge/Staten Island to reduce travel on the Belt/SSP, GCP/NSP and the Van Wyck. But even then, there’s more important things to spend the money on.

The QBL goes to LIC and Connects all lines in Queens  (and the Mall) There is more benefit than just a trip to Manhattan if the RBB is reactivated.

1 hour ago, Art Vandelay said:

The L goes through neighborhoods which are much closer to Manhattan and had a much higher potential for growth/gentrification. The L also actually goes to manhattan and had the potential to grow in capacity. The Queens Boulevard line has no capacity to take in  these riders either. 

 

Most of the city needs more transportation TODAY. In 50 years, they'll all still need more capacity than the Rockaways will. 

The QBL has capacity I ride it every day I've been on virtually empty  and  cars.

30 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said:

Gentrifying the Rockaways doesn't make the RBL more feasible. There really isn't that much land there to provide enough population to justify more trains. 

There is a lot of undeveloped land between beach 60 and beach 36th street they could line the Rockaway Freeway with high rises and advertise the ocean and views of the metro area and quick access to JFK and if the RBB is built quick access to LGA as well.

On 1/17/2018 at 2:07 AM, Future ENY OP said:

Give the new  prez 6 mos to learn the system and you will see significant changes on fare evasion and it could mean jail time. Look at his progress in Toronto 🇨🇦, Australia 🇦🇺 and London 🇬🇧. 

I came across this article: https://www.pressreader.com/canada/toronto-star/20171216/282784946826181

It appears that Toronto went to all door boarding and evasion "increased"?  The people that the writer did not see pay could have monthlies?

4 hours ago, VIP said:

It would make no sense to then run trains from 96th-42nd Streets. Plus it’s more costly running shuttle buses. Plus most train lines run at or around 20 minute headways during the late night hours. 

To elaborate, I was saying that late nite service is on 20 min headway and the essentially runs to serve 2 stations, one shuttle bus (artic?) can serve those two stations by looping from 135th st. Is one shuttle bus with one b/o more costly than 2 (or 3?) train crews?

2 hours ago, Trainmaster5 said:

When we ran the shuttle between Lenox Terminal and 135th St everyone would transfer to the to continue their trip s/b to 96th St, Midtown, Downtown or to Brooklyn. With the changing demographics in Harlem and other places the bus option was eliminated in favor of train service every 20 minutes to points south. The overnight headway in the subways is 20 minutes any way.

Thanks, How has late nite  service been doing?

Why do  trains run at night for 2 stations?  If people from 2 stations (145 and 148th sts) complained about 20 min late nite service, why don't they just have a shuttle bus run instead of having trains running to times square?

5 hours ago, SoulAce Transport said:

Just a thought… to avoid situations like at 59th St on Lex, how about the MTA programs announcements so that the next stop is announced with transfers after you leave the previous stop instead of when you arrive at the next stop? It was done during the bus announcement pilot, so why not on the subways?

On buses it makes sense because they only stop if someone is boarding or alighting and it gives people time to pull the cord and get ready to disembark.

On the subway the train stops at every stop anyway and when the announcements are made the train is slowing down and entering the station. People may forget if the stops are announced too early.

On 1/10/2018 at 11:36 PM, RR503 said:

See this doc page 6 — there are ~10,000 empty seats/peak in the peak direction between Jamaica and Atlantic Terminal.

What’s more, they’re isolating all Bk service at a separate platform beginning next year (or maybe it’s 2019 idk), so why not? It’ll actually make the MTA money by filling empty seats, and provide a silver lining to the inconvenience of the shuttle. 

I just started looking at the PDF, but the "Express" Bus takes the longest travel time from Rosedale to midtown?  

If I had the choice of getting a Freedom Ticket, I'd probably use the LIRR all the time.

2 hours ago, quadcorder said:

This is an impressively dumb idea. Rerouting the main Brighton train down the express track would inconvenience the vast majority of riders. We've seen repeatedly how passengers do not want their local trains to terminate within borough. Why do you think Court St Brooklyn, on QBL, 8 Av Local to WTC are no longer service patterns?

I just saw a report from a couple of years ago where in order to reduce line merging they could run the  from 168st to WTC and run the  to Euclid via 8th Ave express and Fulton St Local in Brooklyn

http://web.mta.info/nyct/service/pdf/AC_LineReview.pdf

Pg 14

Quote

The merges of the southbound (A)(C) and of the northbound (C)(E) at Canal St could be eliminated by a service design in which the would operate local between 168 St and World Trade Center and the would operate express on the 8 Av Line and local in Brooklyn to Euclid Av. While this alternate service design would eliminate delays caused by the northbound and southbound Canal St merges, it would introduce a new, high-frequency (A)(E) southbound merge at 42 St. It would also introduce PM congestion to the northbound merge at Hoyt-Schermerhorn Sts, which is already congested in the AM, since the PM peak northbound must be scheduled for more service than the due to ridership in midtown and Queens. In addition, since AM southbound service would have to be maintained at 15 tph to adequately serve Queens Blvd riders, extending the to Euclid Av would require the acquisition of many additional trainsets for operation.

9 hours ago, Jemorie said:

The entire train is almost full by time it reaches Grant Avenue (not Utica Avenue) and remains that way till after leaving Columbus Circle on weekday mornings.

Are those trains from Far Rockaway or Lefferts?

2 hours ago, Jchambers2120 said:

There is no "favoritism". It's called "needs of service" When the R160's were coming in the A had those power issues in the Rockaways that prevented the trains from running over that stretch. With the R179's, the needs of service have changed regarding the C line. At the time the order was placed there was no intentions of lengthening the C from 480-600 feet. With the upcoming L shutdown that has sinfe changed. You can check this out on the A/C study they did about a year or two "Upon delivery of R179 cars, currently on order, replace the entire C fleet and a small 
portion of the A fleet with the new cars"

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://web.mta.info/nyct/service/pdf/AC_LineReview.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiFpNKoztvYAhXCTN8KHbDnA-kQFjAAegQIFRAB&usg=AOvVaw2tXDI3vfrKpEplJUoIsOfK

Thanks for the link

"Under recent Federal Transit Administration interpretation of the ADA, the opening of a decommissioned station stairway at a station or platform that is not ADA accessible would require that MTA NYC Transit also provide ADA-compliant elevators or ramps to allow for use of the same part of the station by customers who use wheelchairs. This requirement increases the threshold at which the benefits of re-opening stairs at non-ADA-compliant stations outweigh the cost of upgrading the station. At an average cost of $17 million to bring a station into compliance, on top of any other improvement costs, reopening stairways at non-ADA-compliant stations requires significantly more potential benefit to justify the expense, and no such stairway openings are planned at this time."

That explains a lot.

The report also lisyts some closed entrances along the line, interesting to know.

On 1/13/2018 at 3:16 PM, Far rockaway said:

Q trains will operate in two sections during the weekend of FEB 10-11.

Between 96 St and Atlantic Ave Barclays Center, and via the d line to Stillwell AVE

Between Prospect park and Stillwell AVE

The  is going to be packed, huh?