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Minor update to my proposed 7th Av express lines based on the feedback of "too much off-peak service to Brooklyn".....  

Proposed Evening + Weekend Service (12-18 TPH):

• 6 TPH between 241st St and Flatbush
• 6 TPH between Dyre Av and Times Square ( service discontinued) 
• 6 TPH between 148th St and Utica Av (proposed  operates to New Lots at all times)

Operational details for my proposed /  CPW Local + Brighton lines

• Weekday express service:  operates express in Brooklyn
•  operates local in Brooklyn at all times (replaces ), and short-turns at Brighton Beach when  is operating
• + operate express on 6th Av (except late night), local on CPW, and terminate at 168th St
• Late night: extended to Inwood, and operates local on 6th Av 
• Proposed  operates express in Manhattan to Inwood,  discontinued and replaced by  to Norwood + to Coney Island via West End line

Late Night (3 TPH):

• 3 TPH between Inwood and Coney Island (operates local on 6th Av) 

Reduced (6 TPH):

• 6 TPH between 168 St and Coney Island

Daytime (12 TPH: 6 TPH LOCAL + 6 TPH EXPRESS):

• 6 TPH between 168 St and Brighton Beach 
• 6 TPH between 168 St and Coney Island (operates express in Brooklyn)

Peak for Brighton Line (20 TPH: 10 TPH LOCAL + 10 TPH EXPRESS):

•  6 TPH between 168 St and Brighton Beach
•  4 TPH between 168 St and Coney Island (peak local trains)
• 10 TPH between 168 St and Coney Island (operates express in Brooklyn)

Peak for CPW Local Line (12 TPH):

• 6 TPH between 168 St and Brighton Beach
• 6 TPH between 168 St and Coney Island (operates express in Brooklyn)

Get yer rotten tomatoes ready.... 🍅🍅🍅

Operational details for my proposed Queens Blvd + Jamaica lines

Coney Island - Jamaica Ctr 

• Serves the Culver Line, and operates locally in Queens and Brooklyn at all times
• Local service operates between Coney Island (or Church Av at peak times) and Forest Hills when Diamond is operating

Diamond  Coney Island - Jamaica Ctr (Weekday express service) 

• Operates fully express in Queens
• Serves Brooklyn at peak times only (short-turns at 2nd Av during the day), operating express between Bergen St and Church Av in both directions

WTC Cortland - Jamaica-179th

• Operates express in Queens between Queensbridge and Forest Hills at all times

WTC Cortland - Jamaica-179th (Peak express service)

• Operates fully express in Queens

Broad St - Jamaica Ctr 

• Local service operates between Chambers St and Broadway Junction when Diamond is operating at peak times

Diamond  Broad St - Jamaica Ctr (Peak express service)

• Operates express in Brooklyn in the peak direction between Marcy Av and Broadway Junction (replaces skip-stop service)

Blue  Middle Village - Jamaica-179th

• Serves 8th Av local line (instead of 6th Av - operates express in Manhattan) 
• Weekday express service: Operates fully express on Queens Blvd, and terminates at Jamaica-179th (instead of local to Forest Hills)
• Weekends: Operates between Queens Plaza and Middle Village only
• Late night: Operates between West 4th St and Middle Village only 

Bay Ridge - Forest Hills

• Operates local in Queens and Manhattan, express in Brooklyn, and uses bridge
• Late night shuttle: Operates in Brooklyn only

 Discontinued

• Replaced by Diamond  

Queens Blvd Lines

Late Night (3 TPH LOCAL + 3 TPH EXPRESS):

• 3 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and Coney Island (local)
• 3 TPH between Jamaica-179th St and WTC Cortland

Reduced (12 TPH LOCAL + 6 TPH EXPRESS):

• 6 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and Coney Island (local)
• 6 TPH between Jamaica-179th St and WTC Cortland
• 6 TPH between Forest Hills and Bay Ridge

Daytime (16 TPH LOCAL + 20 TPH EXPRESS):

• 8 TPH between Forest Hills and Coney Island (local)
• Diamond 6 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and 2nd Av (express in Queens)
• 8 TPH between Jamaica-179th St and WTC Cortland
• Blue 6 TPH between Jamaica-179th and Middle Village (express in Queens)
• 8 TPH between Forest Hills and Bay Ridge

Peak for Queens Blvd (21 TPH LOCAL + 30 TPH EXPRESS):

• 9 TPH between Forest Hills and Church Av (local)
• Diamond 6 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and Coney Island (express in Queens and Brooklyn)
• Diamond 3 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and Church Av (peak trains - express in Queens and Brooklyn)
• 9 TPH between Jamaica-179th St and WTC Cortland
• 6 TPH between Jamaica-179th and WTC Cortland (peak trains - fully express)
• Blue 6 TPH between Jamaica-179th and Middle Village (express in Queens)
• 8 TPH between Forest Hills and Bay Ridge
• 4 TPH between Forest Hills and 59 St (peak trains)

Peak for Culver line (9 TPH LOCAL + 6 TPH EXPRESS):

• 9 TPH between Church Av and Forest Hills (local)
• Diamond 6 TPH between Coney Island and Jamaica Ctr (express in Queens and Brooklyn)

Jamaica Lines

Late Night (6 TPH):

• Blue  3 TPH between West 4th St and Middle Village
• 3 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and Broad St

Reduced (10 TPH):

• Blue 5 TPH between Queens Plaza and Middle Village
• 5 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and Broad St

Daytime (12 TPH):

• Blue 6 TPH between Middle Village and Jamaica-179th (express in Queens)
• 6 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and Broad St

Peak for Jamaica Line (15 TPH LOCAL + 9 TPH EXPRESS):

• Blue 9 TPH between Middle Village and Jamaica-179th (express in Queens)
• Diamond  9 TPH between Jamaica Ctr and Broad St (express in Brooklyn)
• 6 TPH between Broadway Junction and Chambers St (local)

Peak for Nassau Line (15 TPH - reverse-peak direction)

• 6 TPH between Broad St and Jamaica Ctr
• 3 TPH between Broad St and Broadway Junction
• 6 TPH between Chambers and Broadway Junction

On 8/11/2019 at 1:27 PM, bwwnyc123 said:

normal weekday service between Metropolitan Av and Forest Hills 71 Av. Late Evenings and Weekend service to 96 St/2 Av would become permanent.

This goes way back to the first wacky proposal I posted here several years ago, but it seems to make more sense now with the 14th street tunnel closure....

How about a this for some relief service for the  ....

 96th St - Canarsie (6 Av Express)

• 96th Street  
• 86th Street 
• 72nd Street 
• Lexington Avenue–63rd Street  
• 57th Street  
• 47th–50th Streets–Rockefeller Center     
• 42nd Street–Bryant Park       
• 34th Street–Herald Square         
• West Fourth Street–Washington Square       
• Broadway–Lafayette Street        
• Essex Street     
• Marcy Avenue   
• Myrtle Avenue–Broadway   
• Broadway Junction     
• Atlantic Avenue 
• Sutter Avenue 
• Livonia Avenue 
• New Lots Avenue 
• East 105th Street 
• Canarsie–Rockaway Parkway 

The main complaint I recall was that there is a very tight turn (of concern) from the Canarsie Line to the Jamaica Line at Broadway Junction.

Operational details for my proposed  express +  /  local Broadway lines...  

Late Night (6 TPH LOCAL):

• 3 TPH between 96th St and Coney Island (Broadway local via tunnel) 
•  3 TPH between Astoria and Coney Island (Broadway local via bridge / 4th Av local via West End line) 
•  3 TPH between 36th St and Bay Ridge (Shuttle operates express)

Reduced (12 TPH LOCAL + 6 TPH EXPRESS):

• 6 TPH between 96th St and Coney Island (Broadway express via tunnel)
•  6 TPH between Astoria and Coney Island (Broadway local / 4th Av express via bridge / West End line)
•  6 TPH between Forest Hills and Bay Ridge (Broadway local / 4th Av express via bridge)

Daytime (16 TPH LOCAL + 8 TPH EXPRESS):

• 8 TPH between 96th St and Coney Island (Broadway express via tunnel)
•  8 TPH between Astoria and Coney Island (Broadway local / 4th Av express via bridge / West End line)
•  8 TPH between Forest Hills and Bay Ridge (Broadway local / 4th Av express via bridge)

Peak (20 TPH LOCAL + 12 TPH EXPRESS):

• 8 TPH between 96th St and Coney Island (Broadway express via tunnel)
•  4 TPH between 96th St and 59th St (peak service trains)
•  8 TPH between Astoria and Coney Island (Broadway local / 4th Av express via bridge / West End line)
•  8 TPH between Forest Hills and Bay Ridge (Broadway local / 4th Av express via bridge)
•  4 TPH between Forest Hills and 59th St (peak service trains)

Notes:

•  operates express in Manhattan (except late night), local in Brooklyn, and uses the tunnel via Lower Manhattan at all times
•  serves West End line, operates local in Manhattan, express in Brooklyn (except late night), and uses the bridge at all times
•  operates local in Manhattan, express in Brooklyn, and uses bridge at all times (except late night shuttle which serves Brooklyn only)
•  discontinued 

19 hours ago, Lex said:

Long story short, the Bronx service patterns and train distribution are not favorable. Jerome Avenue sees more trains, but Lexington Avenue, Nostrand Avenue (sans nights and weekends, the latter of which has an inexplicable boost), and White Plains Road (to say nothing of the two Harlem stations the  has to itself aside from Brooklyn-oriented rush service and periods of much lower ridership) see fewer. In addition, (mostly) flipping the trains that turn at Utica Avenue, White Plains Road express service north of East 180th Street, Jerome Avenue express service in general, and giving Utica Avenue a whopping 36 tph (a full 75% of your proposed Brooklyn service) are all questionable, seeing how people normally ride.

I'm not proposing any less service on Lexington, since the proposal increases service on the  /   (Peak: every 2~3 min, Daytime: every 3~4 min, Reduced: every 6 min).

The reason for sending peak service trains to Utica and New Lots instead of Flatbush is because that is where the yard is. Sending too many trains down to Flatbush clogs up that corridor causing delays, and peak service trains would then need to head all the way back to a yard in the Bronx, because as far as I can tell, you can't get a train from Flatbush to Livonia without creating havock.

Cheers!

19 hours ago, bwwnyc123 said:

provides passenger service for those traveling in Manhattan and bring some relief to crush loaded from Bronx riders.

This has been said a few times now, but I smile each time, because the what I am advocating here is more service on the  to the Bronx (and a bit less service on the  to make room for those extra  trains). Right now, I'm seeing a mere 10~11 TPH at peak times on the . This proposal increases that to 20 TPH, so there should be no more "crush loads" with that level of service.

Cheers!

On 8/12/2019 at 12:21 AM, Lex said:

The bulk of these proposals either overserve (Brooklyn is in no position to require 12  trains at any time) or underserve (6 tph during the day and 4 tph during the peak? Really?) the route.

The Bronx also gets shafted, and not just because of the loss of Lexington Avenue service (a poor move, given its popularity and the market difference, but I digress). At present, people up there get trains that run fairly frequently during most hours (with the exception of Dyre Avenue on weekends). Under this, not only does weekend Dyre Avenue service not change at all, but WPR in general loses a good number of trains (capped at 14 north of East 180th Street and 20 south of there, down from around 15 and 25 for the same sections, while weekends drop from 12.5 to 10 and days drop from a conservative 15 to a hard 12).

The goal with this proposal is to provide 24 TPH at peak times along the 7th Av Express line from both The Bronx and from Brooklyn. 

Since there is no yard at Flatbush, the peak trips (lets take AM for example) would start at New Lots Av, and end in Harlem at the Lenox Yard (there's no need to provide extra service to the Bronx in the AM). In the PM peak, these extra  trains would return to New Lots. 

The reason for only running 4 TPH on the  in the peak direction to/from 148th is to allow for the 20 TPH to/from The Bronx at peak times, since there is much more demand on the  branch. This would allow for the 8 local TPH for Nereid, along with the 12 express TPH (diamond ): 6 TPH for 241st + 6 TPH for Dyre Av

Overall, 7th Av Express would have the following headways:

• Peak: every 2~3 min (every 2~4 min to the Bronx)
• Daytime: every 3~4 min (every 4~6 minutes to the Bronx)
• Reduced: every 3~5 min (every 5~7 minutes to the Bronx)

In terms of the Bronx getting "shafted", just as I assume there are people on the Woodlawn line who need to transfer to the  for 7th Av, folks can also transfer from the   / diamond  to the proposed  (Peak: every 2~3 min, Daytime: every 3~4 min, Reduced: every 6 min). I'm not sure what the big deal is there.

Cheers!

Operational details for my proposed   /  Lexington express lines...  

Late Night (3 TPH):

• 3 TPH between Woodlawn and New Lots Av (operates local in Manhattan and Brooklyn) 

Reduced (10 TPH):

• 10 TPH between Woodlawn and New Lots Av

Daytime (18 TPH):

• 10 TPH between Woodlawn and New Lots Av (Operates express in the Bronx the peak direction)
•  8 TPH between Burnside Av and Utica Av

Peak (24 TPH):

• 10 TPH between Woodlawn and New Lots Av (Operates express in the Bronx the peak direction)
• 8 TPH between Burnside Av and Utica Av
• 6 TPH between Burnside Av and New Lots Av

10 hours ago, Lex said:

Do you even ride these things or consider the areas they pass through?

Thank you for your comments. I am posting here to find out what issues they may be with this proposal, and where there is room for improvement.

The last time I was NYC was 2013. The first trip I did was from Penn Station to downtown Brooklyn on the  on a weekday evening. There was massive delays the whole way due to "congestion", and it was quite sad being stuck on the "express" tracks, while watching quite a few local  trains pass us by on the local tracks. To me, this was an indication that the current system is not working as well as it could. Having in-service trains stuck and delayed because they are all in each other's way seems like a HUGE waste of resources.

Having less lines does not mean less service or ridership. With fewer lines, resources can be re-allocated to better service those lines. The goal of this proposal is to reduce the delays due to "congestion". From what I have read, my experience on the  was not isolated, rather a very common phenomenon, and a major complaint with the network.

Cheers!

14 hours ago, RR503 said:

The Concourse line has a lot of intra-corridor ridership, and is a key relief line for Lex. While I understand the wish to deinterline 145, you really should think about sending a local branch to BPB/running all CPW expresses via Concourse express. 6tph is what they run up Concourse local today, and whenever I ride up there, I see lots of people riding the more-frequent  to an express stop and then backriding to their local stop so they can take advantage of the ~20tph that runs in the reverse peak direction rather than waiting around at 145 or Tremont for a . 

The difference here would be that the concourse local service  would run express in Manhattan, so there would be no need to transfer from the diamond , instead folks can have a direct trip on the .

Operational details for my proposed / 7th Av express lines...  

Late Night (3 TPH):

•  3 TPH between 241st St and Flatbush (operates local in Manhattan)
• 3 TPH between 148th St and Times Square (operates express)
•  3 TPH between E 180th St and Dyre Av

Reduced (15 TPH):

• 5 TPH between 241st St and Flatbush
• 5 TPH between Dyre Av and Flatbush
• 5 TPH between 148th St and Utica Av

Daytime (18 TPH):

• 6 TPH between 241st St and Flatbush
• 6 TPH between Dyre Av and Flatbush
• 6 TPH between 148th St and Utica Av

Peak - for Bronx (24 TPH):

• Diamond 6 TPH between 241st St and Flatbush (White Plains express)
• Diamond 6 TPH between Dyre Av and Flatbush (White Plains express)
• 8 TPH between Nereid Av and Utica Av / New Lots (White Plains local)
• 4 TPH between 148th St and New Lots

Peak - for Brooklyn (24 TPH):

• 6 TPH between 241st St and Flatbush
• 6 TPH between Dyre Av and Flatbush
• 6 TPH between 148th St and Utica Av
• 6 TPH between 148th St and New Lots

Operational details for my proposed /  8th Av express lines...

Late Night (3 TPH):

•  3 TPH between Norwood and Far Rockaway (express on CPW, local on 8th Av / Fulton)
•  3 TPH between Euclid Av and Lefferts Blvd
• Service to Inwood offered by extended  

Reduced (12 TPH):

• 3 TPH between Norwood and Far Rockaway
• 3 TPH between Norwood and Lefferts Blvd
•  6 TPH between Inwood and Euclid Av (runs express in Manhattan) 

Daytime (16 TPH):

• 4 TPH between Norwood and Far Rockaway
• 4 TPH between Norwood and Lefferts Blvd
•  8 TPH between Inwood and Euclid Av (runs express in Manhattan) 

Peak - for Bronx (24 TPH):

• Diamond  4 TPH between Norwood and Far Rockaway (Concourse express)
• Diamond  4 TPH between Norwood and Lefferts Blvd (Concourse express)
•  6 TPH between Bedford Park and Euclid Av (Concourse local)
•  10 TPH between Inwood and Euclid Av (runs express in Manhattan) 

Peak - for Brooklyn / Queens (24 TPH):

• 6 TPH between Norwood and Far Rockaway
• 6 TPH between Bedford Park and Lefferts Blvd
• Diamond  2 TPH between Norwood and Rockaway Park
•  10 TPH between Inwood and Euclid Av (runs express in Manhattan) 

Here are the full details of the changes I propose for the simplified and more efficient network:

Proposed IRT changes:

 Wakefield / Eastchester to Flatbush

• Splits at E 180 St to provide alternating service to 241 St and Dyre Av
• Local service on the Wakefield branch short-turns at Nereid Av when Diamond  is operating
• Diamond operates at peak times only, and operates express in The Bronx in the peak direction only    

 Harlem to Crown Heights

• Late night shuttle operates between Harlem and Times Square only
• Some trips to and from New Lots for yard access

 Woodlawn to New Lots

• Local trains short-turn at Burnside Av when  is operating 
• operates on weekdays only between Woodlawn and Crown Heights, and operates express in The Bronx in the peak direction only 

+ Discontinued - replaced by + diamond +  

Proposed IND/BMT changes:

 Norwood to Ozone Park / Far Rockaway / Rockaway Park

• Local trains short-turn at Bedford Park when diamond  Bronx express service is operating
• Diamond  operates at peak times only, offering express service on the Concourse line between Norwood and Euclid in the peak direction. Additional diamond  trains also operate between Rockaway Park and Bedford Park in the peak direction.

Washington Heights to Coney Island 

• Local trains short-turn at Brighton Beach when is operating
• operates on weekdays only, and operates express in Brooklyn in both directions
• Service is extended to Inwood at night when is not operating 
• Local service replaces  in Brooklyn

 Inwood to Euclid Av

• Operates express in Manhattan 
• Late night service to Inwood provided by  

 Discontinued - replaced by + diamond in The Bronx, by + in Manhattan, and by in Brooklyn 

 Coney Island to Jamaica Ctr

• Serves Culver Line (replacing ) and terminates at Coney Island
• Local trains short-turn at Kings Hwy when diamond is operating 
• Diamond  operates at peak times only, offering Brooklyn express service on the Culver Line between Coney Island and Forest Hills in the peak direction. Additional diamond  trains also operate between Jamaica-179th St and Kings Highway in the peak direction.

  Jamaica-179th St to WTC Cortland

• Serves Lower Manhattan (replacing + ) and terminates at WTC Cortland. 

Broad St to Jamaica Ctr

• Local service operates between Chambers St and and Broadway Junction only when diamond  is operating
• Diamond operates at peak times only, and operates express in the peak direction only 
•  Discontinued - replaced by diamond  

Blue  Forest Hills to Middle Village

• Serves 8th Avenue Local line in Manhattan (replacing )
• Late night shuttle operates between Metropolitan Av and Essex St only

96 St to Coney Island

• Serves 2nd Avenue Line instead of Astoria, replacing  service
• Operates express on Broadway to Lower Manhattan
• Uses tunnel at all times, and runs locally on 4th Av in Brooklyn

 Astoria to Coney Island via West End Line

• Serves Astoria instead of 2nd Avenue Line, replacing  +  service in Queens
• Operates local on Broadway
• Serves West End line via the Bridge, and replaces  service in Brooklyn
• Local service for Brighton Line provided by  at all times

 Forest Hills to Bay Ridge via Bridge

• Operates express on 4th Av in Brooklyn, and uses the bridge instead of the tunnel
• Late night shuttle service between Bay Ridge and 36 St only

 Discontinued - replaced by  in Queens, and express  service to Lower Manhattan

Additional Notes:

  Woodlawn to New Lots

• Local trains short-turn at Burnside Av when is operating
•  operates on weekdays only between Woodlawn and Crown Heights, and operates express in The Bronx in the peak direction only

 +  Discontinued - replaced by + diamond  +  

 Washington Heights to Coney Island

• Local trains short-turn at Brighton Beach when  is operating
• operates on weekdays only, and operates express in Brooklyn
• Extended to Inwood at night when is not operating

 Discontinued - replaced by  + diamond  in The Bronx, by  +  in Manhattan, and by  in Brooklyn 

 Coney Island to Jamaica Ctr

• Local trains short-turn at Kings Hwy when diamond  is operating 
• Diamond  operates between Coney Island and 179th St at peak times only, and operates express in Brooklyn in the peak direction only

 Broad St to Jamaica Ctr

• Local service operates between Chambers St and and Broadway Junction only when diamond  is operating
• Diamond  operates at peak times only, and operates express in the peak direction only

 Discontinued - replaced by diamond  

Here's the new map with the  split removed, and the removed completely ( 😪 ) to address the concerns raised for the operations at 125th.... 

I realized that the proposal I made above with  to Pelham would make the Lex Express service much too inaccessible to the rest of the Bronx Lines, so this seems to be the best way I can think of to simplify the Bronx lines (without any new infrastructure)...

11 hours ago, RR503 said:

I'm confused. The suggestion is replace 20ish tph of  on Pelham with 13 tph of  and then reduce  service to ~15tph so it can fit on the same track as the  going up to 149? Forget the  merge -- that's a massive direct hit to  capacity. SAS took some loads off the , but the line is sure as hell still crowded. 

Based on the comments here so far, I'm thinking I might update the proposal map with these routes:

 Pelham Bay to New Lots

• Short turns at Parkchester when is operating

Pelham Bay to Crown Heights

• Operates on weekdays only
• Operates express in The Bronx in the peak direction    

 Woodlawn to City Hall

• Short turns at Burnside Av when is operating

 Woodlawn to City Hall

•  Operates on weekdays only
•  Operates express in The Bronx in the peak direction

Additional Notes:

• +  would be discontinued
•  would provide alternate express service to Manhattan via the Concourse line, with additional peak express trips offered by diamond  (why no bullet for <A> ?) that would also operate express in the Bronx (like current line).

Let me know if there are any major issues with these routes that I'm missing. Thx.

33 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

First, let me say that is a pretty nice map. I think it would be a good template to use for nighttime service.

But to run the  express in Brooklyn, you’d have to do two “flips”...the second one being at 59th Street/4th Avenue, because the express tracks are straight-railed for Sea Beach and the local tracks are straight-railed for Bay Ridge. Also, I find that the split   and  services in The Bronx, might be a bit confusing, especially the , whose two Bronx terminals are a long way off from each other. You’re going to have  express and  local trains crossing in front of each other at 125, which is inevitably going to cause massive delays there. 

Thank you. NYC Subway maps are a fun challenge in my opinion.

Yes, another flip at 59th for the proposed  / . I do assume a flip causes less of a delay than a merge, since the 2-minute buffer between trains that is needed for merges are not needed for a flip. I'm guessing that a flip would cause at most a 1-minute delay for one of the trains if the two trains arrived simultaneously.

 terminals are quite far apart as well, so I'm not sure why the proposed splits for the  and  would be confusing when it is acceptable on the  line. Please explain if you can.

For 125th, the track maps show that this station was built to accommodate this type of traffic patter, where trains can flip without blocking each other. Here is what I see as possible:

Thank you for your comments. Cheers.

6 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

Are you proposing the Canal flip Proposal? If you want to do that, then I recommend sending one of the Broadway services via Brighton. 

http://library.rpa.org/interactive/subways/

Where the Heck did the  train go? 

Also, your  proposal would work great if you sent it down Utica. 

Yes, "Canal Flip"....

 2nd Av / Broadway Express / Tunnel / 4th Av Local / Sea Beach Line

 Astoria / Broadway Local / Bridge / 4th Av Express / West End Line

 Queens Local / Broadway Local / Bridge / 4th Av Express

As for the .... (yes gone), it is replaced by  in The Bronx, and  in Brooklyn.  +  would serve Brighton / 6th Av Express / Central Park W Local

As for , I'm not proposing any new infrastructure here, (maybe some repairs here and there, i.e. Bergen). However there seems to be wasted capacity on the northern end of the , and an extension beyond Harlem to the Bronx (as originally planned) might also be a smart move.

Thank you for your comments and the link -- the site is very impressive. Cheers.

8 hours ago, Lex said:

Several things about this tell me that you're not familiar with the infrastructure as it currently exists. For one thing, the  has to switch directly in the 's way just to turn at Utica Avenue. Another is the entire Broadway proposal. Then there's the attempt to split the  between two branches in the Bronx while retaining a bastardized , which grossly overestimates the capabilities of the infrastructure in Brooklyn.

I won't even get into some of the other problems with this...

You're right, I'm no expert on the NYC system, just havin' fun here.

For Utica, the in-service  trains could be given priority over the out-of-service  trains.

I'm curious what your issue is with the Broadway proposal? You did not elaborate on that one. My proposal here is that  runs express on Broadway, serves the 2nd Av branch, and uses the tunnel, while  and  run locally, and use the bridge. Additionally,  would run express on 4th Av in Brooklyn.

The proposed "bastardized"  would run as often as each branch of the , meaning there would two  trains for every  train during the day, and at peak times it would be 3:1, with 18 TPH for the  line, and 6 TPH for the . From my understanding, the infrastructure in Brooklyn can accommodate this.

I would also like to know what other issues you see (I have some guesses). Cheers!

Using the original Montreal Metro Map style to show a simpler network that would have better frequencies and less delays...