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Nice stuff. Why was 57th/6th closed during the 8th Avenue asbestos closure?

Simply because the lines that served 57 Street were routed elsewhere for the duration of this service change. Q trains, which ran to 57 Street during normal hours on weekdays (06:00-20:00), were rerouted up Central Park West to 207 Street. Despite what the memo stated, I believe B trains also ran to at least 145 Street on weekends instead of the line's usual northern terminal at, you guessed it, 57 Street. I could be wrong about that one though. The only line that was unaffected and actually could run to the station was the F. It would've been silly to open the station only during off-periods, more so if it was only during overnight hours, which is why it was closed full time.

 

 

@Union Tpke: Interesting finds as always. It's amazing to see that even in the mid 1980s, the MTA was still considering the elimination of service along several lines. Most notably are the Myrtle Ave and Dyre Ave lines, which some 30 years later, see plenty of riders. And even the Crosstown, while not to the levels seen on the Manhattan trunks, is still mighty useful in its own right. If those lines were lost to service cuts, the resurgence of several neighborhoods might not have happened.

 

Speaking of finds, where do you find all of these documents and things?

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I forgot that 63rd Street didn't open until the end of the year. Saw 1989 and assumed that the tunnel was open and the B/F/Q was running through it.

 

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Simply because the lines that served 57 Street were routed elsewhere for the duration of this service change. Q trains, which ran to 57 Street during normal hours on weekdays (06:00-20:00), were rerouted up Central Park West to 207 Street. Despite what the memo stated, I believe B trains also ran to at least 145 Street on weekends instead of the line's usual northern terminal at, you guessed it, 57 Street. I could be wrong about that one though. The only line that was unaffected and actually could run to the station was the F. It would've been silly to open the station only during off-periods, more so if it was only during overnight hours, which is why it was closed full time.

 

 

@Union Tpke: Interesting finds as always. It's amazing to see that even in the mid 1980s, the MTA was still considering the elimination of service along several lines. Most notably are the Myrtle Ave and Dyre Ave lines, which some 30 years later, see plenty of riders. And even the Crosstown, while not to the levels seen on the Manhattan trunks, is still mighty useful in its own right. If those lines were lost to service cuts, the resurgence of several neighborhoods might not have happened.

 

Speaking of finds, where do you find all of these documents and things?

 

I found these at the Municipal Archives near the Brooklyn Bridge City Hall station. You used to be able to actually go to the shelves and look through things yourself. I would be looking for one thing, and then I would find something else that happened to be be nearby. Now, for some stupid reason, they don't let you go, and you have to ask them for things. This is regressive. Now it is a lot less enjoyable to go. I have some more stuff to scan and post at some point. I have some stuff on the SIRT on its transfer to the City, and I have some more newspaper clippings, some subway brochures, and many pages on Queens Plaza and how it would be rebuilt with a new Northern Boulevard station as part of the Queens Bypass. I also have some pictures of what was to be done at Forest Hills.

 

Concerning the cut-backs, in my collection, I have a tiny book titled Transit Issues, which came from some magazine, I can't remember which, and it focused on reconfiguring the system. The map is a fold-out and it might damage the book to scan it, so I will take a picture.

 

It would reroute the 7 in LIC, getting rid of the curve to Queensboro Plaza, and that transfer would be replaced by one to the Queens Bypass. The McDonald El would merge with the Sea Beach Line. It would also have a branch via the Bay Ridge ROW to Floyd Bennet Field, and as a result the Rockaway Park El would have been torn down for some reason. Because of the Rockaway Beach Line, the Myrtle Avenue El, and the Jamaica El east of Crescent Street would have been eliminated. The Jamaica El trains would have been rerouted onto the Fulton Street Line with a connection to the Rockaway Beach Line.Then there would be a connection to the Queens Bypass, which would have used the Rockaway Beach Line until Parkside, and then it would have continued via the Montauk Branch before using the Jamaica El structure at 121st Street before using the Archer Avenue Line.

 

The Second Avenue Subway would have run under Boston Road and would have allowed for the elimination of part of the White Plains Road Line. The Eighth Avenue Line would have been extended to Riverdale via the Putnam Division ROW replacing the Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line structure, which was to be eliminated. VG8 might have liked that one. The Jerome Avenue Line would have been torn down north of Fordham Road and it would have gone back into Manhattan with a transfer to the A.

 

This is all I can remember at the moment. I got this document, along with other planning documents for the Queens Bypass from someone who worked on community outreach for it. I also have the large Plan for NYC books from 1969. The documents are fascinating. Some of them are on line but several of them are not.

 

Maybe I can post something about them later. I need to get ready for bed. I will do some railfanning tomorrow, probably to the Rockaways. It would be so much easier to get there if the Rockaway Beach Line was built.

 

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Arrive at SUTPHIN BLVD-ARCHER AV/JFK E/J/Z/LIRR at 9:42 AM

Pay Per Ride Fare : $2.75 - Reduced Fare : $1.35

 

Service Advisory (click here for information)  

Transfer to the BROAD ST bound J.png Train departing at 9:48 AM

Get off at WOODHAVEN BLVD STATION J/Z at 9:57 AM

 

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Simply because the lines that served 57 Street were routed elsewhere for the duration of this service change. Q trains, which ran to 57 Street during normal hours on weekdays (06:00-20:00), were rerouted up Central Park West to 207 Street. Despite what the memo stated, I believe B trains also ran to at least 145 Street on weekends instead of the line's usual northern terminal at, you guessed it, 57 Street. I could be wrong about that one though. The only line that was unaffected and actually could run to the station was the F. It would've been silly to open the station only during off-periods, more so if it was only during overnight hours, which is why it was closed full time.

 

 

@Union Tpke: Interesting finds as always. It's amazing to see that even in the mid 1980s, the MTA was still considering the elimination of service along several lines. Most notably are the Myrtle Ave and Dyre Ave lines, which some 30 years later, see plenty of riders. And even the Crosstown, while not to the levels seen on the Manhattan trunks, is still mighty useful in its own right. If those lines were lost to service cuts, the resurgence of several neighborhoods might not have happened.

 

Speaking of finds, where do you find all of these documents and things?

The (B) at first during the mess ended at 47-50th Street on weekends discharging passengers there running not in service to 57. Then it was changed for that pattern to run all times except late nights until they rerouted the (A) trains finally. (D) and (Q) trains ended up being the only trains on CPW providing the local service as well as extra service. The (1) train did have extra service during the entire mess until it was cleared. Surprised they didn't include the (A) during weekend and late m nights being sent to 34th Street in there
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Sorry for the delay, but at the request of Lance I will post some more information that I have concerning the proposed reconfiguration of the subway system.

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I've read most of these articles, excerpts, when they were originally posted. It feels really good, to see that my memory is still intact. That said I'd like some of our frequent posters to read the parts about the Second Avenue subway. Look closely at the north section proposal and you can see what was proposed. Maybe now some people can see why I am so adamantly opposed to any 125th St crosstown line, especially at the expense of the Bronx extension. That extension was needed then and, IMO, is needed even more today. Thanks for posting this collection of documents. I know that some of the material was available at the Brooklyn Public Library Grand Army Branch a few years ago but I feel even better knowing that I read these documents in the newspaper back in the day. It's too bad that some of our newspapers have gone the " Page Six" way instead of publishing "real" news. In today's environment unless a person is a historian or a member of a forum like ours this information is hidden or lost. That's why any politician can grandstand about a project, (and take credit for), something that he/she had no prior connection to. Once again, thanks for posting these documents. Carry on.

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